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When did we become human?

Gonzo Rodeo

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This discussion is for theists who do not deny the Theory of Evolution. Young-Earth-Creationists have no point to make in this thread. It would be like asking a pacifist which war was their favorite.

Given that homo sapiens is also the result of biological evolution, at what point did we become "human" and wake up to know God? How long before Abraham and Moses was it that we developed the ability for speech and communication (so God could talk to us)?
 
Let me make it clear that I am not a theist. However, apes began to diverge roughly 85 million years ago. Earliest member of the family of homo dates to a little over 2 million years ago. Homo Erectus came about 1.5 million years or so ago. Homo erectus lived in hunter-gatherer societies, and their anatomy supports a capacity for language with the size of their craniums coupled with the presence of a specific brain region responsible for socialization. After homo erectus came the Archaic Homo Sapiens, which existed a few hundred thousand years ago. From fossil evidence it seems that we have slowly evolved from that species, so it would be reasonable, by your criteria, to believe that God could have began talking to human beings 400,000 years ago, or even 1.5 million years ago.
 
When God gave us souls. I believe that Adam and Eve were the first human beings to evolve and be given souls. We are the only ones created that the Bible says was created in God's image.
 
From my understanding of evolution, there is never a single point where a species becomes its own. Which means, there are a great many people walking around with Neanderthal genes, who are still sub-human.

When did we wake up to know god? I do not believe this has ever occurred. I do not believe any person has any "knowledge" regarding any god(s).
 
This discussion is for theists who do not deny the Theory of Evolution.

Thinking Adam and Eve were created (evolved) by God with a soul in mind is an interesting point. Did God take two ape-like things and give them a push start, or were they basically "human" at that point and just really, really stupid?
 
When we decided that the concepts of right and wrong were legitimate.
 
One signal of "humanity," IMO, is that Neanderthal buried his dead and left flowers.
 
Apples. Talking snakes and apples. From then on its been sixes and sevens.
 
This discussion is for theists who do not deny the Theory of Evolution. Young-Earth-Creationists have no point to make in this thread. It would be like asking a pacifist which war was their favorite.

Given that homo sapiens is also the result of biological evolution, at what point did we become "human" and wake up to know God? How long before Abraham and Moses was it that we developed the ability for speech and communication (so God could talk to us)?


You seem to think that time is somehow relevant and/or that an omnipotent being capable of creating time, matter and life would require an alphabet or language to communicate with His own creation?

One need only view cave drawings to understand that it is not God who seeks to communicate with man but man who seeks to communicate with God. It isn't God that seeks to understand human beings but human beings seek to understand God.

The question you ask is asked backwards but the answer is self evident. Human beings from the moment there is any record of any human life have"talked" to God.

Which of course, at least for the Christian "theist", is exactly how it is supposed to work.
 
You seem to think that time is somehow relevant and/or that an omnipotent being capable of creating time, matter and life would require an alphabet or language to communicate with His own creation?

One need only view cave drawings to understand that it is not God who seeks to communicate with man but man who seeks to communicate with God. It isn't God that seeks to understand human beings but human beings seek to understand God.

The question you ask is asked backwards but the answer is self evident. Human beings from the moment there is any record of any human life have"talked" to God.

Which of course, at least for the Christian "theist", is exactly how it is supposed to work.

My following question to this line of reasoning is thus:

Did australopithecus communicate with God? How about Neanderthal?

And what about gorillas?

I guess I'm trying to find out when the Garden of Eden story was supposed to take place, or if this story is completely metaphorical (up to and including the word "created").
 
When God gave us souls. I believe that Adam and Eve were the first human beings to evolve and be given souls. We are the only ones created that the Bible says was created in God's image.

Are you suggesting that God picked two proto-humans and gave them human characteristics?
 
we haven't yet ... kinda like when Gandhi was asked what he thought of western civilization ... he supposedly said something like, "It sounds like a good idea" ... so does being human ..
 
"And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."-Gen 2:7

Forming man out of the dust of the ground could be a metaphor for how the physical body of mankind evolved from the earth over millions and millions of years. Breathing life into man would be a metaphor for the spirit, the living part of us and the actual offspring of God entering into the tabernacle of clay ie the body which is the temple of the spirit. The body and spirit combined is a living soul. The difference between us and the spirits of plants or animals or any other living this is that our spirits are the literal offspring of God.
 
Biologically, we became humans, homo sapiens, around 200k years ago. Now 200.000 years is a lot longer than around 4000-5000 years ago when the first recorded Monotheistic religion spawned, Judaism, in Judeea. Until then we have records of polytheistic religions.

Now. When did we "humanize" ourselves? Well that is a gradual process that implies the development of a civic and moral code of conduct. For the civilizations around the Meditteranian there were several humanization steps but possibly the one that impacted us the most was the coming of Jesus Christ whom, for the first time in a very brutal world, preached peace and understanding and forgiveness. This was in stark contrast to anything any other religion preached at that time in this part of the world. Vengeance, horrible deaths and murder were part of daily life in that time and hence they were trademarks of all religions in that area. The Egyptian religion, the norse, the greek gods and Judaism, the Roman religion, all of them and many more were very brutal. Christianity came along with peace and happiness to all men, and forgiveness, a very important theme, and changed the world for us.

The fact that humans abused it, doesn't mean that the message isn't there... it is just lost.

So that was a major first step, 2000 years ago, in the process of humans becoming humanized really, so not just walking bipedal animals.

But I think a more practical step was taken not 200 years ago. The industrial revolution, which started to mature 200 years ago after a long adolescence, had permitted greater life quality in Europe... which spawned numerous other ideologies and forms of government which permitted for a more humane society. And since then it has been a gradual up-and-down process really.

And maybe the last big boom in "humanization" happened about 23 years ago in this part of the world. The communist block fell and society stated to be better off overall. We are living in the most peaceful and most humane of times today. Compassion, forgiveness and understanding are flowing at levels unheard of before. They became staples of almost all modern societies. Sure its not idilic, its not perfect, but the world isn't idilic and perfect. But it is better than anything in the past. Humans live longer, better and have the capacity to do more good than ever before.

It is important to note that while religion, especially Christianity, had the most part to do with making the world better for about 1800 years, coupled with cultural advancement, it is now scientific development that is enabling human beings to be better off in a more practical sense.
 
"And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."-Gen 2:7

Forming man out of the dust of the ground could be a metaphor for how the physical body of mankind evolved from the earth over millions and millions of years. Breathing life into man would be a metaphor for the spirit, the living part of us and the actual offspring of God entering into the tabernacle of clay ie the body which is the temple of the spirit. The body and spirit combined is a living soul. The difference between us and the spirits of plants or animals or any other living this is that our spirits are the literal offspring of God.

Were we human in every way except the soul before this moment?

Was this moment in the time of austropithicus, or perhaps neaderthal?
 
When God gave us souls. I believe that Adam and Eve were the first human beings to evolve and be given souls. We are the only ones created that the Bible says was created in God's image.

Then where did Cain and Abel get their wives from if God created only Adam and Eve and they had no daughters. And why did Cain and his wife build a city when the only people thus far mentioned in the Bible were Adam, Eve, Abel(now dead), Cain, his unamed wife, and son Enoch. Is he building a city for 5 people to live in?
 
Were we human in every way except the soul before this moment?

Was this moment in the time of austropithicus, or perhaps neaderthal?

I'd say Sat 17 Oct 4070 BC. Really though, I have no clue on any of this. I'm just speculating. It hasn't been revealed. The Heat beat the Pacers last night, I know that.
 
God is a spirit. Our bodies are not in his image, our spirits are.
The Bible is not a science book, not really a history book, though it contains some history.
The Bible is a love story of a Father for his unruly children.
Everybody familiar with the Bible knows Jesus taught in parables.
The story of Adam and Eve is also a parable and Jesus IS the WORD of God. Genesis One.
Hope this makes it easier to understand.

Exactly WHEN did the first truly human live? We don't even have a date for birth of Jesus.
Certainly it wasn't Christmas. :)
Does it matter? If it DID, God would have informed us. We DO know when Christ died and arose.
THAT is the most important event since the creation of the universe. :)
Peace
 
In terms of evolution, where did Eve come from? Remember that she was not created alongside Adam. That was Lilith, who rejected Adam because she didn't want to be subservient to him.
 
This discussion is for theists who do not deny the Theory of Evolution. Young-Earth-Creationists have no point to make in this thread. It would be like asking a pacifist which war was their favorite.

Given that homo sapiens is also the result of biological evolution, at what point did we become "human" and wake up to know God? How long before Abraham and Moses was it that we developed the ability for speech and communication (so God could talk to us)?



adam must be the first one who evolved into human
 
Thinking Adam and Eve were created (evolved) by God with a soul in mind is an interesting point. Did God take two ape-like things and give them a push start, or were they basically "human" at that point and just really, really stupid?

:doh

l think so!

this life and our past is still full of secrets which we cant solve

l dont think god spent time making such a plan to create humans

user your imagination
 
l dont think god is that stupid

I don't think it's stupid. If God played an active role in both evolution and the creation of Adam and Eve, it makes sense that he would fashion the first two humans from a pre-existing base, rather than from dust. Otherwise... what is the purpose of evolution where humans are concerned?
 
In terms of evolution, where did Eve come from? Remember that she was not created alongside Adam. That was Lilith, who rejected Adam because she didn't want to be subservient to him.

Eve was the result of Adam bargaining with God.
When asked how much it would cost Adam, for God to create a warm loving companion filling every moment of life with joy?
God replied, "Easy. An arm and a leg!"
Adam thought a moment and offered, "What can I get for a rib?"
 
I don't think it's stupid. If God played an active role in both evolution and the creation of Adam and Eve, it makes sense that he would fashion the first two humans from a pre-existing base, rather than from dust. Otherwise... what is the purpose of evolution where humans are concerned?

god started the process of evolution
 
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