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Jesus Vs Muhammad [W:28,76]

Absolute nonsense. We funded the Iranians as well.

Just because we sold both sides military equipment, does not mean that we bear responsibility for their actions.

1. Yes...we funded the Iranians...so how does that make it nonsense? Logic fail.
2. Yes it does.

Unsurprisingly, you are ignorant of historical reality. Iraqi forces went on an absolute spree of rape, pillage, and slaughter during their occupation of Kuwait city.

Such brutality is still common in the Middle East. This is not the case in the West.

"The West" has been much more brutal throughout history. The only reason we stopped is because we now control the media and information, which creates narratives. It feeds the narrative that we are the "good guys."

I'm sorry, were we having an "argument?"

No silly, an "argument" in this sense means something else. Argument - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Jesus Vs Muhammad

I would appreciate if this topic would not devolve into "The United States vs Islam."

That was not the purpose.
 
Moderator's Warning:
The topic is not contemporary politics and war, but the teachings of two religions and actions of two religious founders. Stay with that topic within this thread; this forum is not for political debate, but theistic discussion.
 
1. Yes...we funded the Iranians...so how does that make it nonsense? Logic fail.
2. Yes it does.

By this logic, the man who sold the gun used at Columbine was responsible for the shooting. For obvious reasons, such a conclusion would be blatantly false.

"The West" has been much more brutal throughout history.

As has the Middle East. The difference lies in the fact that the West is no longer so violent and brutal, whereas the Middle East remains largely changed.

Your position here is completely baseless on every conceivable level.

The only reason we stopped is because we now control the media and information, which creates narratives. It feeds the narrative that we are the "good guys."

Again, the fact that we do not "sack" cities like 13th century barbarians or attempt to wipe out entire ethnic groups when it is convenient to us says otherwise.

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Sorry, posted before I saw the warning.
 
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If you are trying to bewilder me, you are definitely succeeding. I wasn't addressing you but I was trying to understand these 2 quotes that were addressed to me:
My observation is that there is an advocacy for murdering people who you blatantly act as if don't exist...........Doo Doo Doo..... Sounds like creepy ass psycho thinking to me........................
and
Never walked a mile in someone else's shoes ?...........................

Now you appear and asked me if I ever read the old testament. Well, yes, I've read all sorts of biblical and religious literature. Inquiring minds and all that. Now that we've cleared that up, what exactly is (anybody's) point? I'm a civilized conversationalist but I'm not good at interpreting obscure references.

Did you ever read the Old Testament?
 
Ok, but what about the old testament? I think the God of the old testament is similar to the God of the Koran. Genocide, etc.

Not even close.

Even in the Old Testament we see God in three persons (Holy Trinity).

Muslims believe in only a single person God.

In the Bible, men can have a personal relationship with God and truly know Him.

In the Koran, God is unknowable.

The God of the Bible in no way resembles the god of the Koran.

 


Not even close.

Even in the Old Testament we see God in three persons (Holy Trinity).

Muslims believe in only a single person God.

In the Bible, men can have a personal relationship with God and truly know Him.

In the Koran, God is unknowable.

The God of the Bible in no way resembles the god of the Koran.


No it doesn't see God as three persons in the Old testament, if it did than there would be a point in history in which Jews recognized that, they never did, they were always unitarians.

Whether or not God is knowable (Muslims believe God is knowable, in the same way christians do), it doesn't mean it's a different God, its the God of Abraham, Moses and David, of coarse there is a different understanding of that God. But it's as much the same God as Jews and Christians have the same God, infact Jews and Muslims conception of God is much more similar to each other than Jews and Christians.
 
By this logic, the man who sold the gun used at Columbine was responsible for the shooting. For obvious reasons, such a conclusion would be blatantly false.

The people that sold the gun used at Columbine didn't know what it was going to be used for, Reagen knew what Iran was all about.

As has the Middle East. The difference lies in the fact that the West is no longer so violent and brutal, whereas the Middle East remains largely changed.

Your position here is completely baseless on every conceivable level.

The West IS just as violent and brutal, just in a different way, and the middle east was much less violent and brutal when compared to europe in the middle ages.

So you can keep your opinion that Islam is somehow intrinsically evil, if and only if you ignore all of history.

Again, the fact that we do not "sack" cities like 13th century barbarians or attempt to wipe out entire ethnic groups when it is convenient to us says otherwise.

the US has done more distruction and murdered mor civilians and enabled murdering in the last 60 years than any islamic organization could dream of doing.
 
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And how many genocides has the United States committed recently in comparison to the Muslim world? How many atrocities? How many war crimes and blatant human rights violations?

Do you actually have anything meaningful to add here, or is it all just empty rhetoric?

Ask anyone from Latin America, or south east asia ... or pakistan ... I can get a list from the last 60 years if you'd like.
 
Re: Jesus Vs Muhammad

1) I'm not concerned with Judaism.

2) I mean "not concerned with the followers."

So what that means is your OK with being a hypocrite?
 
My observation is that there is an advocacy for murdering people who you blatantly act as if don't exist...........Doo Doo Doo..... Sounds like creepy ass psycho thinking to me........................

You mean like today's creepy ass psychos who advocate the slaughtering of unborn children and act as if they don't matter at all? Doo....doo....dooo....Twilight Zone.
 
But Judaism and Islam are.

Well in practice Christian nations are much more violent than Muslims nations. How many nations has Iran invaded in the last 50 years compared to America? How many have they bombed?

The United States is a rogue nation.
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This is not an anti-US thread.

Furthermore, FYI, history extends a little bit farther than 50 years or so. To put it in perspective, how long has it been since Mohammad proclaimed himself a prophet and gave his commandments? That's how long Islam's been doing its atrocities to mankind, which includes its own people.

You think the killings that count are only those that are committed during war-times? Perhaps dying is far more preferable for those who found themselves slaves, or chattels.
 
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This is not an anti-US thread.

Furthermore, FYI, history extends a little bit farther than 50 years or so. To put it in perspective, how long has it been since Mohammad proclaimed himself a prophet and gave his commandments? That's how long Islam's been doing its atrocities to mankind, which includes its own people.

You think the killings that count are only those that are committed during war-times?

You could say the same thing about the Jewish faith, and Even christians ...

We have to be honest about history and not just have an "us vrs them" viewpoint.
 
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This is not an anti-US thread.

Furthermore, FYI, history extends a little bit farther than 50 years or so. To put it in perspective, how long has it been since Mohammad proclaimed himself a prophet and gave his commandments? That's how long Islam's been doing its atrocities to mankind, which includes its own people.

You think the killings that count are only those that are committed during war-times? Perhaps dying is far more preferable for those who found themselves slaves, or chattels.

Are you trying to deny that "christians", throughout history, have been brutally destructive and murderous? That in some cases they completely wiped out entire cultures in the name of "religious salvation" from heathen/pagan gods?

Are you trying to say christianity has no blood on it's hands at all?
 
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This is not an anti-US thread.

Furthermore, FYI, history extends a little bit farther than 50 years or so. To put it in perspective, how long has it been since Mohammad proclaimed himself a prophet and gave his commandments? That's how long Islam's been doing its atrocities to mankind, which includes its own people.

You think the killings that count are only those that are committed during war-times? Perhaps dying is far more preferable for those who found themselves slaves, or chattels.

You are extremely confused about history. By going back in history christianity won't look better compared to islam, in fact once you get to high middle ages it'll start look worse than islam.
 
Muslim is actually closer to judism than christanity
 
Jesus Vs Muhammad [W:28]

So what that means is your OK with being a hypocrite?

How so? Because I am only concerned with myself in terms of my religion?
 
The people that sold the gun used at Columbine didn't know what it was going to be used for, Reagen knew what Iran was all about.

The West sold weapons to both sides in the Iran-Iraq War in order to prevent either side from gaining a decisive advantage. In essence, we played two rouge states off of one another, because the alternative (Socialist Arab or Fundamentalist Persian regional dominance) was worse.

Again, however, as the mods have already pointed out, this is off topic for the Religion subforum. I would suggest that you simply drop the subject.

The West IS just as violent and brutal, just in a different way

This is so blindly evasive and fumblingly vague as to be practically worthless.

Unless you can point to any Western atrocities which even begin to compare to the Iraqi sack of Kuwait City, or the various genocides which have taken place in places such as Darfur, Bangladesh, or Rwanda, your whole line of reasoning here is completely bunk.

and the middle east was much less violent and brutal when compared to europe in the middle ages.

Nonsense.

Muslim Conquest of the Indian Sub-Continent

Timur

Are you familar with the pyramids of human skulls Tamerlane (a.k.a. The "Sword of Isalm") liked to build outside the walls of the cities he sacked?

The only reason ignorant self-loathing Westerners think the Medieval West was worse is because modern historians with blatantly anti-Christian agendas like to spend all of their time focusing on the bad aspects of European culture during this period while almost completely ignoring the rest of the world.

You've been played. I'm afraid.

So you can keep your opinion that Islam is somehow intrinsically evil, if and only if you ignore all of history.

I never claimed this.

Ask anyone from Latin America, or south east asia ... or pakistan ... I can get a list from the last 60 years if you'd like.

Oh yes, we Western Christians are just so damn evil, amiright? I mean... Just look at the history!

Remember that one time when we killed two million people in just four years in Cambodia?

Oh, wait. No. It turns out that this was done by the atheist Khmer Rouge. My mistake.

Well, do you remember those widespread terror campaigns we targeted against civilians in Vietnam then?

Whoops! Sorry. My bad again! That was also perpetuated by godless Communists. :doh

Maybe we had something to do with the genocide that took place in Bangladesh in 1971?

Nope, that was the Islamic Pakistani Army.

How about you drop the faux "holier than thou" routine and simply admit that you don't have the slightest idea what you're talking about? :roll:
 
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This is not an anti-US thread.

Furthermore, FYI, history extends a little bit farther than 50 years or so. To put it in perspective, how long has it been since Mohammad proclaimed himself a prophet and gave his commandments? That's how long Islam's been doing its atrocities to mankind, which includes its own people.

Well if we're gonna go back that far, Christianity has a 2000 year bloody history.

You think the killings that count are only those that are committed during war-times? Perhaps dying is far more preferable for those who found themselves slaves, or chattels.

You might ask the millions of African slaves who found themselves living under southern American Christians. Or the millions of Native Americans who were victims of Christian genocide.
 


Not even close.

Even in the Old Testament we see God in three persons (Holy Trinity).

Muslims believe in only a single person God.

In the Bible, men can have a personal relationship with God and truly know Him.

In the Koran, God is unknowable.

The God of the Bible in no way resembles the god of the Koran.


Except in that they are both psychopathic lunatics.
 
Are you trying to deny that "christians", throughout history, have been brutally destructive and murderous? That in some cases they completely wiped out entire cultures in the name of "religious salvation" from heathen/pagan gods?

Are you trying to say christianity has no blood on it's hands at all?


I'm not denying that there were lots of atrocities committed in the name of Christianity.

However, you're forgetting one big difference.

Those atrocities committed by Christians were actually against the teachings of Jesus, whereas the atrocities committed by Muslims were done according to the teachings of Muhammad.

Furthermore, you don't have to look back in history:

Year 2013:

Saudi Arabia Denies Report of Man Sentenced to Be Surgically Paralyzed

When they say an eye for an eye, they’re not kidding.

A Saudi Arabian court has reportedly sentenced a young man to be paralyzed for stabbing his friend in the back — a crime he committed when he was 14 — which left the victim paralyzed from the waist down, according to the Saudi Gazette.
Read more: Saudi Arabia Denies Report of Man Sentenced to Be Surgically Paralyzed | TIME.com


And here are pictures of stoning people to death. ***WARNING: DISTURBING IMAGES*****

http://www.google.ca/search?q=stone...gHRkoDADw&sqi=2&ved=0CDUQsAQ&biw=1238&bih=474
 
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