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The true threat to Christianity

Amadeus

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I submit that the true threat to Christianity is Pat Robertson. Or, in a broader sense, people who use scripture in the ugliest, most demagogy of ways. From stating that 9/11 was the fault of liberals and homosexuals, and that Haitians made a pact with Satan, to suggesting that husbands should move to Saudi Arabia so that they can abuse their wives -- the guy is a goblin. He alone is far more harmful to Christianity than a million atheists/secularists. And due to his immense following, people like myself have a hard time separating the good Christians from the toads. It can be done, but it takes effort that not everyone is willing to give.
 
I think you make a decent point. I mean look at the SSM debate. When you have people say stuff like:

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That does nothing but damage your side. There seems to be a rather large number of people who, while Christians, only worsen their cause by proclaiming to speak for all of them.
 
Faith should be about your relationship with God, not Pat Robertson's faith or politics, or that of mainstream America, or anything else IMHO.
 
I don't agree. In fact, I don't think any one thing could be called the "true threat" to Christianity. Christianity is threatened by a number of things: science, secular education, the increase of secularism in general, the democratization of information through the internet, the development of cities as population centers and many other things. Pat Robertson and people like him are also a threat to Christianity, but only because the aforementioned influences among others have made people realize that the kind of crap they spout is nonsense. In other words, Robertson wouldn't be a threat if things like science, secular education and the like weren't threats already.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
I don't agree. In fact, I don't think any one thing could be called the "true threat" to Christianity. Christianity is threatened by a number of things: science, secular education, the increase of secularism in general, the democratization of information through the internet, the development of cities as population centers and many other things. Pat Robertson and people like him are also a threat to Christianity, but only because the aforementioned influences among others have made people realize that the kind of crap they spout is nonsense. In other words, Robertson wouldn't be a threat if things like science, secular education and the like weren't threats already.
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There are things which mitigate the influence of religion in general, but people like Robertson attack the faith from within by turning it into a caricature. That is something even secularism and science cannot achieve.
 
Amadeus said:
There are things which mitigate the influence of religion in general, but people like Robertson attack the faith from within by turning it into a caricature. That is something even secularism and science cannot achieve.
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Well, my point is that Robertson's comments wouldn't appear absurd if secularism and science hadn't already undermined them. They are only absurd because secularism and science among other things have already won.
 
some christians who claim to be christian are threat to christianity

like some islamists
 
ThePlayDrive said:
Well, my point is that Robertson's comments wouldn't appear absurd if secularism and science hadn't already undermined them. They are only absurd because secularism and science among other things have already won.
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You have a point, but I doubt Jesus would have approved of anyone blaming the Haitian earthquake on a voodoo pact with Satan.
 
Amadeus said:
You have a point, but I doubt Jesus would have approved of anyone blaming the Haitian earthquake on a voodoo pact with Satan.
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I doubt he would either, but it was my impression that you were arguing that Robertson was "the true threat" to Christianity in society, not the "the truth threat" to Christianity in Jesus's eyes. If you were arguing the former, then again, science and secularism among other things are a bigger threat than Robertson because they are what make Robertson's comments problematic in the eyes of our (secular) society.
 
Amadeus said:
You have a point, but I doubt Jesus would have approved of anyone blaming the Haitian earthquake on a voodoo pact with Satan.
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we have similar morons here

they think god blessed them while ignoring the other people

bigotry ang ignorance are everywhere


l
 
Medusa said:
we have similar morons here

they think god blessed them while ignoring the other people

bigotry ang ignorance are everywhere


l
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Have you ever been to Haiti??

I have..witchcraft..voodoo..black magic..everywhere..

The people there will cut your throat for 25 cents...
 
Amadeus said:
You have a point, but I doubt Jesus would have approved of anyone blaming the Haitian earthquake on a voodoo pact with Satan.
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Actually, he spoke directly to that:

Luke 13 said:
13 Now there were some present at that time who told Jesus about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mixed with their sacrifices. 2 Jesus answered, “Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans because they suffered this way? 3 I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish. 4 Or those eighteen who died when the tower in Siloam fell on them—do you think they were more guilty than all the others living in Jerusalem? 5 I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.”
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ThePlayDrive said:
I doubt he would either, but it was my impression that you were arguing that Robertson was "the true threat" to Christianity in society, not the "the truth threat" to Christianity in Jesus's eyes. If you were arguing the former, then again, science and secularism among other things are a bigger threat than Robertson because they are what make Robertson's comments problematic in the eyes of our (secular) society.
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I heard a statistic that over 60% of college students associate Christianity with bigotry. My point is that people like Robertson are bringing the religion down from the inside, and will succeed until they are relegated to the fringes by the faithful.
 
Amadeus said:
I heard a statistic that over 60% of college students associate Christianity with bigotry. My point is that people like Robertson are bringing the religion down from the inside, and will succeed until they are relegated to the fringes by the faithful.
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I get that that is your point. I don't think that you're getting mine.

Why do you think that Robertson blaming the Haitian earthquake on a "pact with the devil" is perceived as absurd currently when comments like that were perceived as accurate in the past?
 
wolfie said:
Have you ever been to Haiti??

I have..witchcraft..voodoo..black magic..everywhere..

The people there will cut your throat for 25 cents...
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l know they are wiccan but so you are :lol:
 
Medusa said:
haitians are satanist ?

l really dont know it.

do they eat cat meat too ? :mrgreen:
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I have been there at Port Au Prince....

The violence there is mind-boggling..

Before you speak...close your mouth...
 
wolfie said:
I have been there at Port Au Prince....

The violence there is mind-boggling..

Before you speak...close your mouth...
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l suggest you do the same thing wolfie

if you dont like miserable countries(you think they are )

dont visit them
 
Moderator's Warning:
Word of caution: Religion forum. Respectful discourse. No broad-brush religion bashing, nor excessive bashing of any particular religion. Take care where this goes...
 
Amadeus said:
I submit that the true threat to Christianity is Pat Robertson. Or, in a broader sense, people who use scripture in the ugliest, most demagogy of ways. From stating that 9/11 was the fault of liberals and homosexuals, and that Haitians made a pact with Satan, to suggesting that husbands should move to Saudi Arabia so that they can abuse their wives -- the guy is a goblin. He alone is far more harmful to Christianity than a million atheists/secularists. And due to his immense following, people like myself have a hard time separating the good Christians from the toads. It can be done, but it takes effort that not everyone is willing to give.
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Pat Robertson is one man and does not speak for Christianity as a whole. He is one who seeks the limelight and pushes himself into it; the media accomodates him because he says extreme things, and extremism makes titilating news and sells ad time.

Thousands upon thousands of ministers labor in obscurity, preaching the gospel in some small church, ministering to their congregation, visiting the sick and comforting the bereaved, never seeking fame or fortune but only to glorify God and help their fellows in quiet service. This vast majority is ignored by the media in favor of the louder, high-profile extremists who make more dramatic news.

It is that quiet and hardworking majority who are the future of Christianity, not Pat Robertson.
 
wolfie said:
Ok..Wiccan...
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As I recall, the perception of Satan as a hoofed/horned demon was shaped by Christian fear of Wiccan practices. That's not the fault of Wiccans, of course.
 
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