You are stumbling on the greatest mystery of our faith as Christians. How can Jesus be man but also be God? Is that even possible? Was He really God? Why was he always doing God's will if he was God then?
1st remember that God is all powerful. You obviously know your bible so I wont waste my time putting verses here to point that out.
2nd if God really is all powerful than he is capable of everything including putting himself in a human body and yet still be God and still be a servant of.... Himself
3rd remember that Jesus was human in every single thing except sin
4th therefor as a human though Jesus was truly God he was also human and therefor below God
5th Jesus was meant to be a sort of model for what we are supposed to be if Jesus came and just did stuff and acted as though he was God it wouldn't have set as good as an example for us
I remember a professor I had describing God making and becoming Jesus in this way. "God is an infinitely powerful and complex being. In a way he is very multi-dimensional. We are 4 dimensional creatures. Now" he pointed at a picture in the wall "imagine moving yourself into the picture. wouldnt that be simplifying yourself and downgrading yourself? That is what it is like for God to put himself into a human body."
Well my whole argument here was that Jesus was NOT God, so it isn't a mystery for me at all.
2. It depends waht you mean here, When Jesus said the father is greater than I, I serve the father not myself and so on, him being the father would be a logical inconsistancy, and no matter how much power you have logic is logic, adding power even to the point of having all power doesn't add to ability to break rules of logic.
3. As was Adam prior to his sin, as will be people in the next world
4. Logically impossible, you cannot be below yourself.
5. If Jesus WAS God he would have made it clear and not consistantly affirmed the opposite.
For a little more reference here is a purely biblical argument for the trinity.
1)John 1:1 - "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
2)John 1:14 - "And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth."
If the word was God and the word became flesh (Jesus) then simple reasoning says God and Jesus are one in the same.
I've responded to both of those sciptures earlier, for John 1:1 I suggest you look at the origional greek, and what scholars say about it. Look at a transliteration of the origional greek (this is why many translations translate the last "god" as "divine" or Godlike, or a god, because of the gramatical differences, the first God was Koi Theon, i.e. The God, the second was just Theos, god).
John 5:18 - "For this cause therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God."
To understand this you really have to understand the context with which the Jewish people would have understood Jesus calling God "abba" or father. In Jerusalem at this time even the holiest of men would never have dreamed of calling God father. Today many christians call God father so this doesnt seem like any big to do but to the Jewish people of the time this was blasephemy of the worst kind because to them it meant that he was in some implying that he was close to God and his equal. Of course Jesus understood that at the time what calling God father meant and he wouldnt have done it if it wasn't true that he really was on equal footing with God
I responded tho this already, Read Jesus' Responce to the Jews there, he refutes their accusation, and explains that even humans refered to themselves as Gods and he was only refering to himself as Gods son ... It was a FALSE accusation.
Notice that in both of these Jesus calls himself "I Am"
Who else called himself I am?
Yep God!
God calls himself "I am that I am" in Paleo Hebrew, Jesus says that you believe that I am in arameic (written in greek), if we are you to use every instance of "I am" used in Arameic/greek or Hebrew as meaning YHWH then a lot of people will be God.
You cut out a large part of this passage that is very important. Notice the people understand what Jesus said to mean that he is God.
Pretty straight forward
This is the most important passage of all. Here the reason why Jesus always followed God's will is revealed
You see by being subservient to the Lord he actually increased his majesty and is raised all the higher because of it.
I hope this helped
You obviously havn't read any of the thread. Collosians 2:9 needs to be understood in the full context, look RIGHT AFTER THAT, it would seam to say that we as christs disciples are also in him .... it's obviously not literal.
About the Philipinas scripture, that doesn't in anyway show that Jesus is God, is the same person, unless you're interpreting it in that way, it seams to me that he wasn't equal to God and didn't even want to be, and that he was a spirit creature that came down and then was exaulted BY GOD.
I suggest you go and look at post #99 and go over those scriptures, infact I'll just repost them for you
John 14:28
“You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.
Matthew 20:23
“You will indeed drink from my cup, but to sit at my right or left is not for me to grant. These places belong to those for whom they have been prepared by my Father.”
Luke 22:42
“Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.”
Mark 13:32
“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."
Revelation 1:1
The risen Christ recieves the revelation from God.
1 Corinthians 11:3
But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man,[a] and the head of Christ is God. (speaking of the risen christ).
1 Corinthians 15:27,28
For he “has put everything under his feet.”[c] Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. 28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all."
The risen Christ has different authority from God
Collossians 1:15
The firstborn of creation.
And some more
Deuteronomy 6:4
Matthew 26:39
John 8:17,18
Revelation 3:12,14
1 Corinthians 8:5,6
1 Peter 1:3
