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Was Jesus teaching the Egyptian pagan religin?

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Helix said:
i didn't discount anything. i simply pointed out that there are some real similarities between Christianity and Buddhism.
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You called Christianity a child of Buddhism.
 
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I find it very difficult to abide Christians, or people of any religious faith, who blunder into these sorts of discussions without being able to put their faith on hold. History and religious faith are not necessarily mutually exclusive, but to practice real academic history it requires that religious faith be set aside in order to address historical questions scientifically. If you are a Christian, but you cannot set it aside in a discussion of the historicity of Christ, you simply become an obstacle to real, fruitful discussion. It's like being a partisan hack. History has a different set of rules than faith and if you want to participate in a historical discussion, you need to play by those rules.
 
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all the heavenly religions take their source from sumerian mythology and it does not mean these religions are fake .on the contary, this justifies the existence of a god :mrgreen:

and islam is the other religion that has some similarities with budhism such as performing the namaz , pilgrimage ,fast..
 
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Guy Incognito said:
I find it very difficult to abide Christians, or people of any religious faith, who blunder into these sorts of discussions without being able to put their faith on hold. History and religious faith are not necessarily mutually exclusive, but to practice real academic history it requires that religious faith be set aside in order to address historical questions scientifically. If you are a Christian, but you cannot set it aside in a discussion of the historicity of Christ, you simply become an obstacle to real, fruitful discussion. It's like being a partisan hack.
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Nope, it is called having faith. If you have it, you don't set it aside.
 
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When I was a child I had faith Santa would bring me presents on Xmas. He never let me down, not once.
 
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spanky said:
When I was a child I had faith Santa would bring me presents on Xmas. He never let me down, not once.
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What does that have to do with anything?
 
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Medusa said:
all the heavenly religions take their source from sumerian mythology and it does not mean these religions are fake .on the contary, this justifies the existence of a god :mrgreen:

and islam is the other religion that has some similarities with budhism such as performing the namaz , pilgrimage ,fast..
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I agree. History is history and religion is religion. The two domains are entirely separate and one does not bear on the other.

The fact that history clearly indicates that Christianity borrowed a lot of its teachings from the cult of Isis should not shake the faith of a believing Christian. Those who truly believe in their religion should have the courage to face up to historical facts.
 
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Guy Incognito said:
What does that have to do with anything?
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When I was eight a teacher told our class that there was no Santa. Many of the children were crushed.

But Santa kept on bringing Xmas presents for years.
 
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spanky said:
When I was eight a teacher told our class that there was no Santa. Many of the children were crushed.

But Santa kept on bringing Xmas presents for years.
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maybe you were his real son
 
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spanky said:
When I was eight a teacher told our class that there was no Santa. Many of the children were crushed.

But Santa kept on bringing Xmas presents for years.
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I'm afraid you still haven't answered my question. Are you accidentally posting in the wrong thread, maybe?
 
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Guy Incognito said:
I agree. History is history and religion is religion. The two domains are entirely separate and one does not bear on the other.

The fact that history clearly indicates that Christianity borrowed a lot of its teachings from the cult of Isis should not shake the faith of a believing Christian. Those who truly believe in their religion should have the courage to face up to historical facts.
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And then ignore them.
 
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spanky said:
And then ignore them.
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No, not really. Historical facts are imperfect. If you have any clue what history is, then you know it is virtually impossible to know anything with any certainty. Even the most well attested historical facts are murky. The obscure and difficult parts of history are little better than myth. So no, you don't need to ignore history to have a robust faith. Only somebody who is ignorant of how history works, or with an axe to grind against religion, would suggest otherwise.
 
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Guy Incognito said:
I'm afraid you still haven't answered my question. Are you accidentally posting in the wrong thread, maybe?
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Even after my faith was not only crushed, but eliminated, the presents kept coming. Why?
 
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spanky said:
Even after my faith was not only crushed, but eliminated, the presents kept coming. Why?
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I don't know, why not start a thread to discuss it instead of derailing this one?
 
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Guy Incognito said:
No, not really. Historical facts are imperfect. If you have any clue what history is, then you know it is virtually impossible to know anything with any certainty. Even the most well attested historical facts are murky. The obscure and difficult parts of history are little better than myth. So no, you don't need to ignore history to have a robust faith. Only somebody who is ignorant of how history works, or with an axe to grind against religion, would suggest otherwise.
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So you're saying all of recorded history should be ignored because no one can know with certainty if it is true?
 
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spanky said:
So you're saying all of recorded history should be ignored because no one can know with certainty if it is true?
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No, I am not saying that.
 
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Guy Incognito said:
I don't know, why not start a thread to discuss it instead of derailing this one?
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I was asking you.
 
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Maenad said:
Well according to Dan Brown in The Lost Symbol, Truth lies at the place where they all the religions intersect.
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I like that. It sounds very much like what the founding principle of my faith is. (notice I did not say religon)
 
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Guy Incognito said:
You called Christianity a child of Buddhism.
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the central messages of peace, shedding of earthly trappings, the ethical teachings, and the progression to an eternity of enlightenment are similar to Buddhism. the monotheistic aspect derives from Judaism. so yes, i do see a high level of compatibility, and that's what i was referring to. do i think that Jesus literally went and studied Buddhism? there's no real evidence to suggest that he did. it's more of a convergent evolution of message.
 
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Helix said:
the central messages of peace, shedding of earthly trappings, the ethical teachings, and the progression to an eternity of enlightenment are similar to Buddhism. the monotheistic aspect derives from Judaism. so yes, i do see a high level of compatibility, and that's what i was referring to. do i think that Jesus literally went and studied Buddhism? there's no real evidence to suggest that he did. it's more of a convergent evolution of message.
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What you are saying now is quite a bit different than saying Christianity is a "child" of Buddhism.
 
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Guy Incognito said:
I don't know, why not start a thread to discuss it instead of derailing this one?
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The fact that the failing of my faith didn't stop the presents from coming is because it never was a mythological stay puft marshmallow man in a red suit and sleigh being pulled by reindeer in the sky that was bringing the gifts.

It always was other human beings.
 
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Guy Incognito said:
What you are saying now is quite a bit different than saying Christianity is a "child" of Buddhism.
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i meant it in the figurative sense, which apparently wasn't as clear as i intended. a better way to state it would be : if Judaism and Buddhism had a child, it would resemble Christianity.
 
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