Things You Probably Didn't Know About Islam

TheDemSocialist said:

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Very informing very interesting video about the history of Islam and Islam itself. Great video!
Really didnt know hardly anything about Islam until this video.

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I might convert to islam. At least they are not racist like Christians.

Vallista said:

I might convert to islam. At least they are not racist like Christians.

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Yes, Islam is real big on minority rights.......just take their overall treatment of women as an example. :roll:

shanners said:

A month before? Looks like another part of the plot to vilify Muslims. Who runs CBS? Sumner Redstone, a Zionist-Jew, real name Rothstein.

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Islam does a very effective job vilifying itself. Infidel Jews are unnecessary

Vallista said:

I might convert to islam. At least they are not racist like Christians.

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What version of Christianity and islam are you thinking of?

Bible: Love thy neighbor as thyself.

Quran 5:51 O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as friends. They are but friends to one another. And if any amongst you takes them as friends, then surely he is one of them

skeptical hippo said:

Everything this video says is true, the real problem here is that there are certain sects that have broken away from Islam that do believe things like committing suicide and getting 72 virgins. The true Muslims believe none of this, because it basically goes in the face of everything the Koran says.

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The Koran says nothing of 72 virgins, specifically, however, paradise is clearly defined in the Koran as featuring "full-breasted" maidens [virgins]. Any muslim who does not believe every word of the koran is not a practicing muslim. Mahomet was a horn dog

skeptical hippo said:

Everything this video says is true, the real problem here is that there are certain sects that have broken away from Islam that do believe things like committing suicide and getting 72 virgins. The true Muslims believe none of this, because it basically goes in the face of everything the Koran says.

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This is completely False and one of the most common 'definitional' strawmen/whoppers of those apologizing for Islam.

The Koran is contradictory (about half peaceful and half violent verses/periods; the latter abrogating the earlier ones), but there is specific sanction of one kind of Suicide: 'suicide' bombing (or other death) in the Cause of Islam.... "Martyrdom".

There is Nothing so Glorious in Islam in and indeed NOTHING else get's you and yours an Instant ticket to heaven.
Thus, it's actual/constant use in the I-P conflict, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, 9/11, 7/7, etc, etc
And why some have unwttingly remarked/pointed to the 9/11 perps. They committed sins with impunity because they 'knew' that the next day's Martyrdom would absolve them of everything.

So yes, jumping out the window from despair is forbidden, but it's utterly wrong (or for those who know, disingenuous) to say the acts We know as 'suicide bombings' are mere 'suicides' and are not allowed.
They are 'Martyrdoms' and Celebrated.
Half the streets in religious Hamas' Gaza are named after people who committed 'suicide'.
NO. It's called "Martyrdom".

and the OP's youtube is a juvenile PC JOKE; utterly ridiculous and whitewashed pablum.

mbig said:

This is completely False and one of the most common 'definitional' strawmen/Lies of those apologizing for Islam.

The Koran is very contradictory but there is specific Sanction of one kind of Suicide: 'suicide' bombing (or other death) in the Cause of Islam.... "Martyrdom".

There is Nothing so Glorious in Islam in and indeed NOTHING else get's you and yours an Instant ticket to heaven.
Thus, it's actual/constant use in the I-P conflict, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, 9/11, 7/7, etc, etc

So yes, jumping out the window from despair is forbidden, but it's utterly ignorant (or for those who know, disingenuous) to say the acts We know as 'suicide bombings' are mere 'suicides' and are not allowed.
They are 'Martyrdoms' and Celebrated by Muslims.
Half the streets in religious Hamas' Gaza are named after people who committed 'suicide'.
NO. It's called "Martyrdom"

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Allah hearts the jihadist. Virgins for everyone! Allah is da greatest!

Quran 4:95: Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allâh with their wealth and their lives. Allâh has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home). Unto each, Allâh has promised good (Paradise), but Allâh has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward

jmmitchell said:

What version of Christianity and islam are you thinking of?

Bible: Love thy neighbor as thyself.

Quran 5:51 O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as friends. They are but friends to one another. And if any amongst you takes them as friends, then surely he is one of them

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lies lies

this forum is not suitable for this thread... some haters have been attacking a religion here. .........


some people pick the verses which best help them lie ,then others like it :doh



Those who believe (in the Qur'an) and those who follow the Jewish (Scriptures) and the Christians and the Sabians, any who believe in Allah and the Last Day and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. baqara 62

mbig said:

This is completely False and one of the most common 'definitional' strawmen/whoppers of those apologizing for Islam.

The Koran is contradictory (about half peaceful and half violent verses/periods; the latter abrogating the earlier ones), but there is specific sanction of one kind of Suicide: 'suicide' bombing (or other death) in the Cause of Islam.... "Martyrdom".

There is Nothing so Glorious in Islam in and indeed NOTHING else get's you and yours an Instant ticket to heaven.
Thus, it's actual/constant use in the I-P conflict, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, 9/11, 7/7, etc, etc
And why some have unwttingly remarked/pointed to the 9/11 perps. They committed sins with impunity because they 'knew' that the next day's Martyrdom would absolve them of everything.

So yes, jumping out the window from despair is forbidden, but it's utterly wrong (or for those who know, disingenuous) to say the acts We know as 'suicide bombings' are mere 'suicides' and are not allowed.
They are 'Martyrdoms' and Celebrated.
Half the streets in religious Hamas' Gaza are named after people who committed 'suicide'.
NO. It's called "Martyrdom".

and the OP's youtube is a juvenile PC JOKE; utterly ridiculous and whitewashed pablum.

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is this thread about your gaza and israel obsessions ??

jmmitchell said:

What version of Christianity and islam are you thinking of?

Bible: Love thy neighbor as thyself.

Quran 5:51 O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as friends. They are but friends to one another. And if any amongst you takes them as friends, then surely he is one of them

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In arabic friend=صديق which is not mentioned at all here.

jmmitchell said:

Quran 4:95: Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allâh with their wealth and their lives. Allâh has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home). Unto each, Allâh has promised good (Paradise), but Allâh has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward

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A Mujahid as someone who strives to uphold justice, perhaps risking his life in the process. So what do these verses say? They are elevating the status of those who are brave to stand up for truth and justice in the face of oppression.
The verses elevate their status over that of those who cowardly hide from defending the rights of others, unless they have a disability, which prevents them from doing so. So the Islam-hater finds no support (for their distorted presentation of Islam) in these verses either. Moreover, the verse supports the interpretation of Jihad as any struggle for the sake of God because it has mentioned those who perform Jihad with their wealth by donating it for a good cause, such as humanitarian organizations. As Muhammad Asad writes about this verse:


For more details on islam and violence:
Violence in Islam?
Islamic Terrorism !

Christians are humerous sometimes! Any perceived evil found in the Quran can be reciprocated 20fold in the Bible. And everything is taken out of context in this thread! For one Christian and Jewish merchants around this time would charge insane interest for products making it difficult on the Arabs to buy essentials. Thr Quran isnt a linear account of events but rather a compilation of revelations over Muhammads lifetime. He led a very peaceful journey faced with torture and murder of his followers for most of his journey until aquiring the numbers to forcibly conquer his audience. Things like marrying Aisha at 5 are skewed into pedophilia when he was actually leading by example. At the time Arab sects were at all out war with each other. Taking infant girls and marrying them for their inheritance and often times engaging in sexual intercourse and/or killing the child. Mohammad married Aisha and had sex with her after she began her menstrual cycle to explain maturity in a way these heathens would understand. Muhammad was married to his first wife for 20 years before taking another wife (unheard of at the time, womrn were chattle) and he showed PDA with them equating his wives with humans vs the animals they were viewed as. The latter part of the Quran isnt evil, its just the difference between the peaceful longsuffering of his agenda vs his eventual conquest. The OT certainly has some very questionable passages. Mass murders, forcible marriage and rape of all virgins in murdered towns, incest, human sacrifices, murder of children ordered by God etc... the key to understanding ancient literature is context and understanding the culture itself. Not to mention the death toll by Islam/oppression has nothing on Christianity's! Crusades, Spanish inquisition, and the mass murder of Buddhists come to mind. It vondones child abuse, subservient women, and acts of violence to achieve domination to boot.And even though Islamic sects differ on Hadiths, Successors and other such semantics, they more universally agree on Quaranic interpretations than the 60,000 sects of Christianity by far. Theyre also more devout in practice. Praying 5 times a day, observing Ramadan's fast, etc... Catholics dont eat meat on Fridays, evangelists believe in manifestations of the Spirit Baptists will pound hellfire into your cerebrum until in implodes... Every religion has its fanatics (Pat Robertson and the Westboro church anyone?) just as every religion has its pious saints. Judging any religion on a basis of hearsay, passages taken out of context, or the state of affairs in a Muslim or Christian nation at any one point in history will yeild very unreliable assumptions concerning that religion. Are all Buddhists crazy and deranged because a few have burned themselves alive in protests? Are all Jews oppressive and wanton in reguards to others because a few support Zionism and the Palestinian occupation?

Obviously not! So it goes without a whole truckload of brainpower to know that not all Muslims or even the majority are suicide bombers, polygamists, and sexual deviants. Many things that are taken as representativen of Ilslam are actually cultural beliefs vs religious beliefs but since in the Middle East these are often innerlaced people dont take the time to distinguish between the 2
Jihad is a personal religious struggle. Anything from doubting ones faith to problems waking up for Fajr, to being martyred in defense or because of ones religious beliefs can br considered a Jihad. There are far more passages in the Quran encouraging kinship towards Christians and Jews vs hatred and many discrepencies in this kinship are political in nature at this point.

Chelsea said:

Obviously not! So it goes without a whole truckload of brainpower to know that not all Muslims or even the majority are suicide bombers, polygamists, and sexual deviants. Many things that are taken as representativen of Ilslam are actually cultural beliefs vs religious beliefs but since in the Middle East these are often innerlaced people dont take the time to distinguish between the 2
Jihad is a personal religious struggle. Anything from doubting ones faith to problems waking up for Fajr, to being martyred in defense or because of ones religious beliefs can br considered a Jihad. There are far more passages in the Quran encouraging kinship towards Christians and Jews vs hatred and many discrepencies in this kinship are political in nature at this point.

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I have seen more anti-American chants, rallies, protests and jihads coming out of Muslim countries than non-Muslim countries over the last years.

They aptly deserve the reputation that they have.

mbig said:

This is completely False and one of the most common 'definitional' strawmen/whoppers of those apologizing for Islam.

The Koran is contradictory (about half peaceful and half violent verses/periods; the latter abrogating the earlier ones), but there is specific sanction of one kind of Suicide: 'suicide' bombing (or other death) in the Cause of Islam.... "Martyrdom".

There is Nothing so Glorious in Islam in and indeed NOTHING else get's you and yours an Instant ticket to heaven.
Thus, it's actual/constant use in the I-P conflict, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, 9/11, 7/7, etc, etc
And why some have unwttingly remarked/pointed to the 9/11 perps. They committed sins with impunity because they 'knew' that the next day's Martyrdom would absolve them of everything.

So yes, jumping out the window from despair is forbidden, but it's utterly wrong (or for those who know, disingenuous) to say the acts We know as 'suicide bombings' are mere 'suicides' and are not allowed.
They are 'Martyrdoms' and Celebrated.
Half the streets in religious Hamas' Gaza are named after people who committed 'suicide'.
NO. It's called "Martyrdom".

and the OP's youtube is a juvenile PC JOKE; utterly ridiculous and whitewashed pablum.

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While what you say about martyrdom in Islam is true, but as far as I know, many Islam law schools and Imams say this is only true in case of war. Hence many of them condemn attacks such as 9/11, 7/7 and so on.

For example, when you look at Quran Sura 2:190-192, you will find that many Muslims interpret 192 along the lines that only defensive wars are allowed, and 190 regarding proportional use of violence.

Al-Qaida and other violent terrorists believe the USA/West has been at constant war with the Umma and attacked first, which is why it is allegedly legitimate to "kill the infidels whereever you find them" in their eyes, but most other Muslim Imams and law schools use a much narrower definition of war.

The terrorist that use the Muslim faith to justify their evil deeds are obviously a small minority but it is kind of disturbing that the main stream Muslims are not more vocal in condemning the fringe groups that commit these unspeakable acts.

sawyerloggingon said:

The terrorist that use the Muslim faith to justify their evil deeds are obviously a small minority but it is kind of disturbing that the main stream Muslims are not more vocal in condemning the fringe groups that commit these unspeakable acts.

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I'd say that it's true that A) Islam is a religion that can much more easily abused for violence than, say, Christianity (Mohammed was not just a prophet, but a worldly leader in the same person -- basically "Christ an Emperor Constantine" in the same person), and that B) interpretations of Islam which are in conflict with basic human rights as we understand them are common and widespread in the Muslim world (after all, Islam never had an Age of Enlightenment which kind of tamed the more extreme interpretations, as it did in case of Christianity and Judaism, although the OT is hardly any less cruel than Quran).

So I guess there is more "clandestine silent agreement" among Muslims with islamist terrorists, than there is among Christians for Christian fanatics. Especially since religion in that case overlaps with more profane politics, xenophobia and tradition.

That said, I also wonder why the many cases when Muslims *do* speak out against islamist terrorism, are hardly ever covered in the Western media. I've been following the press statements from Muslim communities in Germany, whenever there was a crime committed in the name of Islam. There was not a single time when these communities did not unanimously condemn it.

German guy said:

I'd say that it's true that A) Islam is a religion that can much more easily abused for violence than, say, Christianity (Mohammed was not just a prophet, but a worldly leader in the same person -- basically "Christ an Emperor Constantine" in the same person), and that B) interpretations of Islam which are in conflict with basic human rights as we understand them are common and widespread in the Muslim world (after all, Islam never had an Age of Enlightenment which kind of tamed the more extreme interpretations, as it did in case of Christianity and Judaism, although the OT is hardly any less cruel than Quran).

So I guess there is more "clandestine silent agreement" among Muslims with islamist terrorists, than there is among Christians for Christian fanatics. Especially since religion in that case overlaps with more profane politics, xenophobia and tradition.

That said, I also wonder why the many cases when Muslims *do* speak out against islamist terrorism, are hardly ever covered in the Western media. I've been following the press statements from Muslim communities in Germany, whenever there was a crime committed in the name of Islam. There was not a single time when these communities did not unanimously condemn it.

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In the US i seldom if ever see news reports on Muslims condemning terrorism but I did find this site which verifies your saying they do just that.

Muslims Condemn Terrorist Attacks

German guy said:

I'd say that it's true that A) Islam is a religion that can much more easily abused for violence than, say, Christianity (Mohammed was not just a prophet, but a worldly leader in the same person -- basically "Christ an Emperor Constantine" in the same person), and that B) interpretations of Islam which are in conflict with basic human rights as we understand them are common and widespread in the Muslim world (after all, Islam never had an Age of Enlightenment which kind of tamed the more extreme interpretations, as it did in case of Christianity and Judaism, although the OT is hardly any less cruel than Quran).

So I guess there is more "clandestine silent agreement" among Muslims with islamist terrorists, than there is among Christians for Christian fanatics. Especially since religion in that case overlaps with more profane politics, xenophobia and tradition.

That said, I also wonder why the many cases when Muslims *do* speak out against islamist terrorism, are hardly ever covered in the Western media. I've been following the press statements from Muslim communities in Germany, whenever there was a crime committed in the name of Islam. There was not a single time when these communities did not unanimously condemn it.

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That is spot on, with partial exception to the last - which is to say that organized groups dedicated to serving as spokesmen to the west condemn it..... in the lingua franca. Inside the communities there are differences.

German guy said:

I'd say that it's true that A) Islam is a religion that can much more easily abused for violence than, say, Christianity (Mohammed was not just a prophet, but a worldly leader in the same person -- basically "Christ an Emperor Constantine" in the same person), and that B) interpretations of Islam which are in conflict with basic human rights as we understand them are common and widespread in the Muslim world (after all, Islam never had an Age of Enlightenment which kind of tamed the more extreme interpretations, as it did in case of Christianity and Judaism, although the OT is hardly any less cruel than Quran).

So I guess there is more "clandestine silent agreement" among Muslims with islamist terrorists, than there is among Christians for Christian fanatics. Especially since religion in that case overlaps with more profane politics, xenophobia and tradition.

That said, I also wonder why the many cases when Muslims *do* speak out against islamist terrorism, are hardly ever covered in the Western media. I've been following the press statements from Muslim communities in Germany, whenever there was a crime committed in the name of Islam. There was not a single time when these communities did not unanimously condemn it.

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at first ,everything was okay because the prophet muhammed and 4 caliphs governed the society with justice based on kuran verses . no hadith ,no fabricated sunni tradition...

but the emevis abused the islam after the period of 4 caliphs and nobody else harmed islam more than those sunni perverts.

sawyerloggingon said:

The terrorist that use the Muslim faith to justify their evil deeds are obviously a small minority but it is kind of disturbing that the main stream Muslims are not more vocal in condemning the fringe groups that commit these unspeakable acts.

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That's the way it is in all societies not just Muslim society.

German guy said:

I'd say that it's true that A) Islam is a religion that can much more easily abused for violence than, say, Christianity (Mohammed was not just a prophet, but a worldly leader in the same person -- basically "Christ an Emperor Constantine" in the same person), and that B) interpretations of Islam which are in conflict with basic human rights as we understand them are common and widespread in the Muslim world (after all, Islam never had an Age of Enlightenment which kind of tamed the more extreme interpretations, as it did in case of Christianity and Judaism, although the OT is hardly any less cruel than Quran).

So I guess there is more "clandestine silent agreement" among Muslims with islamist terrorists, than there is among Christians for Christian fanatics. Especially since religion in that case overlaps with more profane politics, xenophobia and tradition.

That said, I also wonder why the many cases when Muslims *do* speak out against islamist terrorism, are hardly ever covered in the Western media. I've been following the press statements from Muslim communities in Germany, whenever there was a crime committed in the name of Islam. There was not a single time when these communities did not unanimously condemn it.

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Responding to the last paragraph...they are covered, I've seen them. Some of the more unsettling actions taken by radical Muslims are the ones that happen in our own backyard so to speak (in western European countries). I know a few years back I use to read Scotland yard articles on honor killings becoming an issue in the UK. Muslims do speak out against it which is nice it's reaffirming but not necessary.

From my perspective, I'm a very caring and considerate person, any christian that takes to violence is not of the same ilk as I am so why should I have to act like they are? I see it the same way for someone who is a Muslim. One of my best friends from years back in school was a Muslim, I would find it completely unnecessary for her to get up on a public platform and start decrying Muslim terrorism. The violence that they've done sets them so far a part from her, the way I see it they aren't her people to speak out against.

I heard that after you have sex with one of these god given virgins the next day she is magically turned back into a virgin.

Now i don;t know about you people but having sex with a virgin is hell..unless your some sort of sadistic madman who likes all the squirming and stop stop uuuu that hurts....


so i think the whole thing is some sort of torture given to those who follow this religion. More like a warning...

forever you shall be frustrated beyond belief sexually with 72 whiny virgins who are terrified of the moment they are about to have with you...


i would toss the 72 for one $2000.00 vegas hooker who stays young forever...maybe like you get to choose from 72 of these hookers..

~Dr.Who~ said:

I heard that after you have sex with one of these god given virgins the next day she is magically turned back into a virgin.

Now i don;t know about you people but having sex with a virgin is hell..unless your some sort of sadistic madman who likes all the squirming and stop stop uuuu that hurts....


so i think the whole thing is some sort of torture given to those who follow this religion. More like a warning...

forever you shall be frustrated beyond belief sexually with 72 whiny virgins who are terrified of the moment they are about to have with you...


i would toss the 72 for one $2000.00 vegas hooker who stays young forever...maybe like you get to choose from 72 of these hookers..

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the men living in the arabian desert in the middle age must have had such fantasies but kuran doesnt claim that they will turn into virgin every day.

but there is just a verse that points out houris will be virgin .not they will stay virgin........

but lets admit ,who doesnt want to see that utopic place ?

which man doesnt want to have houris in the other life ?

l dont believe in any objection..

if you ask me ,it is said l will have get some enjoyment from gilmans in heaven:mrgreen:

Medusa said:

at first ,everything was okay because the prophet muhammed and 4 caliphs governed the society with justice based on kuran verses . no hadith ,no fabricated sunni tradition...

but the emevis abused the islam after the period of 4 caliphs and nobody else harmed islam more than those sunni perverts.

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Gee... Sounds just like Christianity.