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Does God Create Weather Disasters?

ksu_aviator said:
God's wrath:

Genesis 6:5-9:19 (Earth destroyed by flood, people and animals killed)
Exodus 9:23-29 (hail and fire from heaven on Egypt)
Joshua 10:11 (hail on the Amorites, etc.)
I Samuel 7:10 (thunder disperses the Philistines)
Nahum 1:3 (judgment with whirlwind and drought)
Leviticus 26:19-20 (rainless sky, parched earth)
Deuteronomy 11:13-15 (rain as reward for obedience)
Deuteronomy 28:24 (drought punishment)
I Samuel 12:18 (thunder and rain to get people's attention)
II Samuel 21:1 (drought and famine)
I Kings 8:35-36 (good weather reward)
I Kings 16:30-18:45 (rain withheld and given)
Hosea 13:15 (dry weather)
Amos 4:7 (rain given and withheld from certain cities)
Jonah 1:4,10-15 (man punished and redirected by sea storm)
Zechariah 14:17 (rain withheld as judgment)
Revelation 16:21 (hailstone punishment)

God's in control, but it isn't always punishment and/or praise:

Matthew 5:44-45 But I tell you: Love your enemiesi and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
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What in that you just cited is in the least bit provable? There's no credible evidence here. Point to a link, website, study or -- I don't know -- something where humans have, in real life, credibly observed a created weather storm that has reaped judgment upon the humans it affected.

If we are in a debate about, let's say guns, and you claimed that violent video games caused school shootings, you would have to provide credible evidence to back up that claim. Otherwise, it would be just an uninformed opinion of yours. I don't see how this isn't an uninformed opinion about God and weather.
 
ksu_aviator said:
Do you realize that for those of us that believe God created everything (including the laws of nature), it is laughable to say "all of which are perfectly explainable using science"?
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Are you saying, then, that All is God?
 
1)You can not prove or disprove the existence of "Gods" so arguing their existence is an exercise in futility. I choose to believe in the existence of beings of "higher power" than ourselves. For the sake of argument we will call these beings God's

2)God created the universe and the physical laws that it adheres to and as a result is ultimately responsible for the death and destruction caused by natural disasters which are the product of these physical laws.

3)Religion existed before Christianity, or Judaism, and it existed all over the world. Many thousands of different religions have come out of nothing or have been derived form others since the dawn of humankind. Since we are assuming God exists either all these religions and sub-religions are different interpretations of the same God, or are in fact proof of the existence of multiple God's with their own spheres of influence. I would argue that since religions and their followers tend to clash (and quite bloodily) the latter seems to me to be more probable.

I could go on at great length, but I would be getting off topic.

To conclude: If a single God exists and is "All Powerful" then he is responsible for the death, destruction and suffering that his world causes to his creations.
If there are many Gods each with their own spheres of influence of varying size and strength (I would like to think that this influence would be positively related to prayer and tribute - would explain why followers are encouraged to do these things to that God and only that God as well as denounce other Gods) then natural disasters could just be the byproducts of political battles of a higher order.

:)
 
I have A simple yet horrifying claim. I know many Christians hate this...but it has never hurt my faith.

Yes. But how can we know life without death? Joy without sorrow? How can we feel good if we never no pain?
 
Look at the planets through out the universe with monstorous, deadly weather systems, like that giant eternal hurricane on Jupiter. The entire universe is terribly imperfect with explosions and eruptions of some variety every second. Life is permitted here only because our activity is to a lesser degree than other planets. Some planets spin at rediculous speeds, some are frozen while others are on fire. When you consider how insanely vast the universe is it tells you how precious it is that life exisits as it does on this planet. All things change if the moon and sun are in very slightly different locations and if there Earth was tilted just slightly different. I was never religious but the more I study the wonders of the universe the more evident it is that life on any planet any where is almost a freak accident or a miracle. Anyone that does believe in a creator should dedicate time to studying how the unverse started and came to be as we know it. Science is in many ways stumped and in awe of this thing call "existance". What is dark energy and what is dark matter? How does matter bend light? Is there more than one universe? Are there parallel unverses? Why create life on Earth and perhaps no where else? These are just some of the millions of questions and we will never answer them all. Keep in mind the current geopgraphy as we know it has and will forever change. Continents are shifting and in the future you would not recognize the planet. So, earthquakes, floods, sunamis, tornados, hurricanes are just ongoing phenonmenons of this planet similar to other planets.
 
rhinefire said:
Look at the planets through out the universe with monstorous, deadly weather systems, like that giant eternal hurricane on Jupiter. The entire universe is terribly imperfect with explosions and eruptions of some variety every second. Life is permitted here only because our activity is to a lesser degree than other planets. Some planets spin at rediculous speeds, some are frozen while others are on fire. When you consider how insanely vast the universe is it tells you how precious it is that life exisits as it does on this planet. All things change if the moon and sun are in very slightly different locations and if there Earth was tilted just slightly different. I was never religious but the more I study the wonders of the universe the more evident it is that life on any planet any where is almost a freak accident or a miracle. Anyone that does believe in a creator should dedicate time to studying how the unverse started and came to be as we know it. Science is in many ways stumped and in awe of this thing call "existance". What is dark energy and what is dark matter? How does matter bend light? Is there more than one universe? Are there parallel unverses? Why create life on Earth and perhaps no where else? These are just some of the millions of questions and we will never answer them all. Keep in mind the current geopgraphy as we know it has and will forever change. Continents are shifting and in the future you would not recognize the planet. So, earthquakes, floods, sunamis, tornados, hurricanes are just ongoing phenonmenons of this planet similar to other planets.
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What would you say if we discovered (as many scientists believe) that our Galaxy alone is populated by millions of species scattered across thousands of star systems? The counter-argument to fine tuning is precisely what fine tuning implies, it happened here because it could only happen in the parameters that it happened.
 
Sherman123 said:
What would you say if we discovered (as many scientists believe) that our Galaxy alone is populated by millions of species scattered across thousands of star systems? The counter-argument to fine tuning is precisely what fine tuning implies, it happened here because it could only happen in the parameters that it happened.
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What bearing would that have on weather???!!!
 
According to the Bible, God can make weather changes. Does that mean God controls the weather by the second? Not necessarily, and common sense would say no. Someone smart enough to create the Earth, would be smart enough to create a weather system. That's my engineering bias talking. :mrgreen:
 
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