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Saying "Christmas" Instead of "Happy Holidays"

rhinefire said:
Saw a bumper sticker today that read, "I say "Christmas" If you don't like it then KISS-M-AS"
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That seems very Christian. :roll:
 
I usually refer to it as Holidays because I include New Years in my reference in my mind, but if there was no New Years, it would always just be Christmas.
 
Mathematician said:
It's not saying "Happy Holidays" that's offensive. What's offensive is the freedom from religion some people want by trying to suppress others from saying "Merry Christmas" or "Christmas tree".
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would you please point to the suppression effort
a cite would be excellent
 
Dittohead not! said:
Merry Christmas, everyone!
Happy Holidays, Happy Hanuka, Super Saturnalia, and a wonderful winter solstice celebration for everyone.

and to any Grinch who wants to make an issue out of Christmas, you can smooch my old, wrinkled, well you know.
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don't be racist *
offer up a happy Kwanzaa, too
wouldn't want to offend anyone




[* kidding; sure you know that ... this message is for the mods]
 
VanceMack said:
Its silly to be offended by others peoples words. I mean truly silly. So...dont be 'offended'.

Now...those that object to the "Merry XMas" or "Happy Holidays" as a substitution for Merry Christmas...well...dont blame others because the Holy day has been subverted into a commercial cornucopia. Blame yourself. If you are upset, then STOP SHOPPING during Christmas. Seriously...just stop. Buy a few inexpensive meaningful gifts during the year that you can exchange if you want to celebrate the symbolism, but stop spending thousands on the commercial "XMas". And if ALL religious type persons did that, instead of going out, spending billions and being butthurt because you dont like that they dont 'respect' your Holy day...then it would be a win win. Lots less religious types out there shopping and getting in the way of the non-religious types, no more commercialized Christmas...how could that possibly be a bad thing? I still envision one year with a united religious organization effort to respect the XMas and to NOT engage in the commercial component.
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The "x" in Xmas is just a shorthand for "Christ." the term xmas is of Christian origin.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
I'm not offended but it's strange to me . . . Happy Holidays sounds just too generalized. I only celebrate Christmas so I don't relaly think about the others.
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I disagree. It's only respectful to say Happy Holidays.
 
Mathematician said:
It's not saying "Happy Holidays" that's offensive. What's offensive is the freedom from religion some people want by trying to suppress others from saying "Merry Christmas" or "Christmas tree".
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Please, by all means, show the religious suppression of Christianity around CHRISTmas time. Show us examples where the refusal of others to say Merry Christmas, has impeded the ability of Christians to celebrate CHRISTmas.
 
Guy Incognito said:
The "x" in Xmas is just a shorthand for "Christ." the term xmas is of Christian origin.
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To quote a famous Python...'pull the other one' if you truly think that's why it is used.
 
VanceMack said:
To quote a famous Python...'pull the other one' if you truly think that's why it is used.
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X is the first letter of the word Christ in Greek. It's just a simple matter of definition.
 
This is the first right wing out range I can remember. I have worked in the governemnt one way or the other since about 1980. I am a Christian. I have told 1000's of people Merry Christmas. Not once, not one single time, have I had anyone say anything about it. Not one. no one has ever told to say happy holidays or anything. If some store wants to say Happy Holidays in an attempt to extend the season from Thanksgiving to New Years or to appeal to other religions, that is great, although I am usually sick of the holidays by the time New Year gets here.

I think the war on Christmas was the original outrage. Silly really. Merry Christmas.
 
Guy Incognito said:
The "x" in Xmas is just a shorthand for "Christ." the term xmas is of Christian origin.
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doesn't that shorthand also symbolize the taking of Christ out of Christmas?
 
justabubba said:
doesn't that shorthand also symbolize the taking of Christ out of Christmas?
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"Xmas is a common abbreviation of the word Christmas. It is sometimes pronounced /ˈɛksməs/, but it, and variants such as Xtemass, originated as handwriting abbreviations for the typical pronunciation /ˈkrɪsməs/. The "-mas" part is from the Latin-derived Old English word for Mass,[1] while the "X" comes from the Greek letter Chi, which is the first letter of the Greek word Χριστός, translated as "Christ".[2]
There is a common misconception that the word Xmas is a secular attempt to remove the religious tradition from Christmas[3] by taking the "Christ" out of "Christmas"."

Xmas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
I say merry christmas just to piss off the Jews
 
How does calling a holiday 'Christmas' impose any legal requirement on anything? For all you militant atheists, do you know where the word "holiday" comes from?
 
American said:
How does calling a holiday 'Christmas' impose any legal requirement on anything? For all you militant atheists, do you know where the word "holiday" comes from?
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There isn't much requirement for belief of church attending. But for all you militant theists, you do realize there is freedom of expression, yes? So if one chooses not to use "Christmas", that's OK too. No legal requirements on anything. You still get to go to church if you choose.
 
I say Merry Christmas to people that I know celebrate Christmas. I say happy Chanukah to my Jewish friends. If I don't know you, or what you celebrate, I say Happy Holidays.

Being agnostic, I don't care what you say.
 
waas said:
I disagree. It's only respectful to say Happy Holidays.
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Respectful? Is it a matter of respect? What if I dare wish Happy Holidays to someone who doesn't celebrate any of it?

The only thing that's disrespectful is taking someone's genuine attempt at being socially polite and proper by wishing you a merry/happy something and getting pissed at them. It's a social nuance - savoire faire - to wish it . . .it's purely a cultural thing and if it doesn't apply to you then ignore it.

That's like an atheist getting angry when someone says "Bless you" after they sneeze.

It's like 'have a good day'
Carlin would say, "What if I don't want to have a good day!?"

It's a social norm centered from a supposedly happy center of people's lives - and people get bent out of shape? I don't get it.

I'm not going to change my social-norm to suit someone else's opinion.
 
Guy Incognito said:
Yes. This is how it is disrespectful:

That's the very definition of inconsiderate.
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And getting upset when someone wishes you a Happy___ or a Merry___ isn't?

Oh come on - I think it's stupid . . . the whole thing - the bumper stickers and the angry responses. All of it. I say what I say - you say what you say . . . every year we do it for a while and annoy every one and then we move on.

If not changing my social norm for less than 10% of the population - if that's rude then I guess I'm just a horrid person and it's a good thing I celebrate Festivus for the airing of all my grievances. . . and my impressive Feats of Strength. Maybe I should expect that less than 10% to wish me a Merry Christmas regardless?

HAPPY FESTIVUS
(there - I offended 99% of the population with that one . . . oh yeah. Naughty list here I come. LOL)

Whip me, Santa, with, that long black leather riding whip . . . and I'd like a plated brown leather riding crop in my stocking - the red leather one . . . kinky Santa give me more more more . . . all of it now more yes!

Oh sorry - got carried away there. . . in my attempt to offend I should have just said *gasp* Merry Christmas :D This is a fun weapon, here - the mighty and offensive words.
 
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Aunt Spiker said:
Respectful? Is it a matter of respect? What if I dare wish Happy Holidays to someone who doesn't celebrate any of it?

The only thing that's disrespectful is taking someone's genuine attempt at being socially polite and proper by wishing you a merry/happy something and getting pissed at them. It's a social nuance - savoire faire - to wish it . . .it's purely a cultural thing and if it doesn't apply to you then ignore it.

That's like an atheist getting angry when someone says "Bless you" after they sneeze.

It's like 'have a good day'
Carlin would say, "What if I don't want to have a good day!?"

It's a social norm centered from a supposedly happy center of people's lives - and people get bent out of shape? I don't get it.

I'm not going to change my social-norm to suit someone else's opinion.
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My mistake. From where I stand, refusing to say happy holidays in leu of something more specific means one of three things:
1.) You hold little, if any, value in the culture of those you're speaking to.
2.) Your sense of self trumps your humility.
3.) You're devout.

I can hardly see why you wouldn't degrade yourself a bit in order to be a bit more accepting. It's not a matter of offending folks, it's one of accepting their beliefs as equivocal to yours.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
And getting upset when someone wishes you a Happy___ or a Merry___ isn't?
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You ever heard the expression "two wrongs don't make a right?"

Oh come on - I think it's stupid . . .
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Then keep it to yourself
The whole thing - the bumper stickers and the angry responses. All of it. I say what I say - you say what you say . . . every year we do it for a while and annoy every one and then we move on.

If not changing my social norm for less than 10% of the population - if that's rude then I guess I'm just a horrid person and it's a good thing I celebrate Festivus for the airing of all my grievances. . . and my impressive Feats of Strength. Maybe I should expect that less than 10% to wish me a Merry Christmas regardless?

HAPPY FESTIVUS
(there - I offended 99% of the population with that one . . . oh yeah. Naughty list here I come. LOL)

Whip me, Santa, with, that long black leather riding whip . . . and I'd like a plated brown leather riding crop in my stocking - the red leather one . . . kinky Santa give me more more more . . . all of it now more yes!

Oh sorry - got carried away there. . . in my attempt to offend I should have just said *gasp* Merry Christmas :D This is a fun weapon, here - the mighty and offensive words.
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yeah, that got a little weird there at the end. But all I am saying is that it's rude and inconsiderate not to care what somebody else thinks about being told merry Christmas. Apparently we agree.
 
waas said:
My mistake. From where I stand, refusing to say happy holidays in leu of something more specific means one of three things:
1.) You hold little, if any, value in the culture of those you're speaking to.
2.) Your sense of self trumps your humility.
3.) You're devout.

I can hardly see why you wouldn't degrade yourself a bit in order to be a bit more accepting. It's not a matter of offending folks, it's one of accepting their beliefs as equivocal to yours.
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So now the communist is (correctly) teaching us Christian values? What the hell is going on??
 
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