War on Marriage

With the left having won its right to marraige for gays I am beginning to see
a new war starting on fidelity. Sadly we know infidelity is hardly even
disparaged outside of conservative Christian followers any more and even
too many of them are guilty of the very same sin.

In watching the coverage on Petraus and seeing some things start to come
up in the media excusing the sin it makes me wonder if this is the lefts next
battle in helping to move us past a Christian backing for our society?

CalGun said:

With the left having won its right to marraige for gays I am beginning to see
a new war starting on fidelity. Sadly we know infidelity is hardly even
disparaged outside of conservative Christian followers any more and even
too many of them are guilty of the very same sin.

In watching the coverage on Petraus and seeing some things start to come
up in the media excusing the sin it makes me wonder if this is the lefts next
battle in helping to move us past a Christian backing for our society?

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You should be more worried about the divorce rate and not some trivial gay marriage.
Tell me, does your god frown upon divorce? or is it something else that christians choose to ignore

We haven't won until the following happens:

- DOMA is overturned
- Gay marriage is the only legal form of marriage
- Islam is the official religion of the United States, everyone shall convert or face the death sentence

CalGun said:

With the left having won its right to marraige for gays I am beginning to see
a new war starting on fidelity. Sadly we know infidelity is hardly even
disparaged outside of conservative Christian followers any more and even
too many of them are guilty of the very same sin.

In watching the coverage on Petraus and seeing some things start to come
up in the media excusing the sin it makes me wonder if this is the lefts next
battle in helping to move us past a Christian backing for our society?

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Fidelity is not a distinctly christian concept. No one is waging a war on your fidelity, or your values.

The war is being waged on the christians' fascist attempts to enforce their religion on others. Your days of hate filled discrimination against homosexuals are numbered.

There is no christian backing for this society, only a moral one. Keep your religion out of our government.

CalGun said:

With the left having won its right to marraige for gays I am beginning to see
a new war starting on fidelity. Sadly we know infidelity is hardly even
disparaged outside of conservative Christian followers any more and even
too many of them are guilty of the very same sin.

In watching the coverage on Petraus and seeing some things start to come
up in the media excusing the sin it makes me wonder if this is the lefts next
battle in helping to move us past a Christian backing for our society?

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Considering that libertarians are just as much in favor for gay marriage as liberals are, the support for gay marriage is hardly solely left-wing.

And I can only hope that we move further past a Christian-backed country and more towards one where people are free to exercise the faith of their own personal conscience.

... helping to move us past a Christian backing for our society?

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It is about time we moved out of the dark ages.

CalGun said:

With the left having won its right to marraige for gays I am beginning to see
a new war starting on fidelity. Sadly we know infidelity is hardly even
disparaged outside of conservative Christian followers any more and even
too many of them are guilty of the very same sin.

In watching the coverage on Petraus and seeing some things start to come
up in the media excusing the sin it makes me wonder if this is the lefts next
battle in helping to move us past a Christian backing for our society?

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What I can't figure out is how someone else's right to get married has anything to do with another person's right to get married? How does allowing gay marriage affect those who believe that marriage is only between a man and woman? No one is forcing everyone to marry in their own sex. No one is forcing those churches who disagree with it to perform ceremonies. So, it's not really any of their business if gays can get married or not. And, the real kicker is, how does gays being allowed to marry have anything at all to do with the fidelity of straight Christian marriages? That's about the most absurd thing I've ever heard, and is completely illogical. I don't see why Christians putting their noses in someone else's business is good or right, especially when the divorce rate, something else the bible says god hates, is so high among Christians, and let's not forget, some of that is due to abuse (and yes, I have firsthand knowledge of such things, from people I know personally). It seems Christians need to worry about their own, and not what other people are doing.

Though the origin of marriage predates the Christian concept it is one of the most practiced. Christianity in itself is not oppressive in nature, only it's extreme proponents. I think the marital bonding of a man and woman is a sacred and legally binding contract of commitment that is only strengthened by faith. But there is certainly nothing wrong with two people who love each other practicing the same concept, irregardless of their orientation.

To say that infidelity has anything to do with it is ludicrous. Making absurd judgments on people may be part of the conservative rights problem with getting elected. Who made anyone our self appointed judges other than ourselves?

CalGun said:

Sadly we know infidelity is hardly even disparaged outside of conservative Christian followers any more

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If you truly believe this, then you live in a fantasy world.

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CalGun said:

With the left having won its right to marraige for gays I am beginning to see
a new war starting on fidelity. Sadly we know infidelity is hardly even
disparaged outside of conservative Christian followers any more and even
too many of them are guilty of the very same sin.

In watching the coverage on Petraus and seeing some things start to come
up in the media excusing the sin it makes me wonder if this is the lefts next
battle in helping to move us past a Christian backing for our society?

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My advice, don't worry what people outside your family think about the morality of fidelity. It really isn't anyone's business aside from the people involved.

I don't see that concept as left or right the idea that people need to mind thier own business and shouldnt have anyone legislating morality on thier life, seems pretty individualist to me. And individualism isn't known to be a left wing thing.

Also you apparently don't watch romantic comedies of you think that no one in society cares about fidelity. Unless you are demanding people being stoned to death then things sseem fine and if you do want that, Saudi Arabia might be a Good place to look into.

How is allowing people to marry a "war on marriage"? Makes no sense, since people are fighting for the ability to enter a monogamous marriage. Seems like the people who are against SSM are the ones who are fighting a "war on marriage".

CalGun said:

With the left having won its right to marraige for gays I am beginning to see
a new war starting on fidelity. Sadly we know infidelity is hardly even
disparaged outside of conservative Christian followers any more and even
too many of them are guilty of the very same sin.

In watching the coverage on Petraus and seeing some things start to come
up in the media excusing the sin it makes me wonder if this is the lefts next
battle in helping to move us past a Christian backing for our society?

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As a society we left behind the Christian ideal of marriage a long time ago.... and that includes the majority of churchgoing folks too.

We enter into marriage often ill-prepared for it, with unreasonable expectations and with inadequate forethought and not knowing our partner very well.

No-fault divorce has probably done more to wreck the idea of lifelong monogamy than any other change in the past century.

However, we have to realize that our legal code is, to a large degree, a reflection of our society.

What I mean by that is, SOCIETY changes, then the legal code changes, in most cases.... not the other way around.

Divorce became more common and less stigmatized, and required less reason and became easier to obtain... AFTER more and more people began to discard the notion of lifelong monogamy and press for changes in the law to reflect changes in society.

A few generations ago, you didn't have a marriage LICENCE from the State... you had a marriage CONTRACT, between the two people marrying. Before that, marriage was less a civil matter than a social and religious one.

Once upon a time, societal pressure tended to create an atmosphere in which divorce and infidelity was frowned on... at least when publically exhibited. When that social convention went into decline, the laws on it began to change.


Changing the laws back to what they were in, say, 1950... won't change society back to what it was in 1950. It is hard to unspill milk.

There's also the question of whether it is right to try to impose morality under legal penalty... in the absence of choice, rightousness becomes mere legalism, rather than springing from a genuine conviction of the heart... you know which of those God seems to prefer.

Changing hearts and minds is what is required... and we would do well to begin that task by putting our own house in order and trying to do something about the divorce/infidelity rate among Christian homes, which is almost as bad as the general rate.

Perhaps I should have written a war on "Christian" or traditional marriage. As I noted in the first sentence that "war" is over. That "ship" has sailed and society has been taught by the left to accept it or be a pariah in society. What I'm asking is fidelity in the Christian sense next? Is the lefts next action to make infedelity as openly accepted as gay marraige? I'm asking not saying? Gay marriage goes against traditional Christian views. Infedility does as well so I'm asking is that the next step since the "gay marriage" debate is over as fat as main stream media / powers that be suggest?

Your Star said:

How is allowing people to marry a "war on marriage"? Makes no sense, since people are fighting for the ability to enter a monogamous marriage. Seems like the people who are against SSM are the ones who are fighting a "war on marriage".

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dyanaprajna2011 said:

What I can't figure out is how someone else's right to get married has anything to do with another person's right to get married? How does allowing gay marriage affect those who believe that marriage is only between a man and woman? No one is forcing everyone to marry in their own sex. No one is forcing those churches who disagree with it to perform ceremonies. So, it's not really any of their business if gays can get married or not. And, the real kicker is, how does gays being allowed to marry have anything at all to do with the fidelity of straight Christian marriages? That's about the most absurd thing I've ever heard, and is completely illogical. I don't see why Christians putting their noses in someone else's business is good or right, especially when the divorce rate, something else the bible says god hates, is so high among Christians, and let's not forget, some of that is due to abuse (and yes, I have firsthand knowledge of such things, from people I know personally). It seems Christians need to worry about their own, and not what other people are doing.

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Because it was never about christian values, it was about christian control.

The only people waging a war on marriage are those that are opposed to any two people that want to be married... getting married.

CalGun said:

Perhaps I should have written a war on "Christian" or traditional marriage. As I noted in the first sentence that "war" is over. That "ship" has sailed and society has been taught by the left to accept it or be a pariah in society. What I'm asking is fidelity in the Christian sense next? Is the lefts next action to make infedelity as openly accepted as gay marraige? I'm asking not saying? Gay marriage goes against traditional Christian views. Infedility does as well so I'm asking is that the next step since the "gay marriage" debate is over as fat as main stream media / powers that be suggest?

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Does the "left" want infedelity to be accepted as gay marriage? You can't be ****ing serious... :roll:

CalGun said:

Perhaps I should have written a war on "Christian" or traditional marriage. As I noted in the first sentence that "war" is over. That "ship" has sailed and society has been taught by the left to accept it or be a pariah in society. What I'm asking is fidelity in the Christian sense next? Is the lefts next action to make infedelity as openly accepted as gay marraige? I'm asking not saying? Gay marriage goes against traditional Christian views. Infedility does as well so I'm asking is that the next step since the "gay marriage" debate is over as fat as main stream media / powers that be suggest?

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Already happened, at least legally, in a good many states, which have removed infidelity as a cause-of-divorce resulting in non-equal division, and have ONLY "no fault divorce"... I don't know offhand how many states that is, but I'm told it is a growing trend.

As for within the church itself... well, either preachers would have to stop preaching "thou shalt not commit adultery", or congregations would have to stop accepting it... but we already know it is a problem in many churches.

I'll say I'd certainly be disheartened to see Christian denominations choosing to minimize the significance of Adultery within their own congregations.



Calgun, I've come to the conclusion that we've reached the point where we're just going to have to quit worrying about society as a whole (which has rejected a society based on Christianity already) and just focus on putting our own "house" in order.

I myself have been a victim of a war on marriage, twice. Heard of any nice refugee camps around here?

ecofarm said:

I myself have been a victim of a war on marriage, twice. Heard of any nice refugee camps around here?

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I had more like a war IN marriage. :mrgreen:

Remember that in the future please. I can see infedility being "sold" to us by the same channels that tell us gay marriage must be accepted today. I see here in this thread those who find infedility "wrong" being labeled in the same way those who oppose gay marraige as being labeled. I am curious if its an asssault on Christianity more then marriage though?

Bodhisattva said:

Does the "left" want infedelity to be accepted as gay marriage? You can't be ****ing serious... :roll:

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CalGun said:

With the left having won its right to marraige for gays I am beginning to see
a new war starting on fidelity. Sadly we know infidelity is hardly even
disparaged outside of conservative Christian followers any more and even
too many of them are guilty of the very same sin.

In watching the coverage on Petraus and seeing some things start to come
up in the media excusing the sin it makes me wonder if this is the lefts next
battle in helping to move us past a Christian backing for our society?

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what exactly does gay marriage have to do with infidelity? And wtf does Petraeus have to do with anything? I've seen some liberals argue that Petraeus shouldn't have lost his job, but really, are liberals out in the streets marching for and cheering for Petraeus cheating on his wife?

Goshin said:

I had more like a war IN marriage. :mrgreen:

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I've never been married and complained once to my father about it. And he said, "I've been married practically all my life and it's neither here nor there. You make of life what you will." I knew then, that it's a blessing to have a decent marriage but it doesn't make or break you.

grip said:

I've never been married and complained once to my father about it. And he said, "I've been married practically all my life and it's neither here nor there. You make of life what you will." I knew then, that it's a blessing to have a decent marriage but it doesn't make or break you.

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Well, there's "he who finds a wife, finds a good thing..."


But also...

"marry in haste, repent at leisure." :mrgreen:


That latter, that was me. Knight in Shiny Armor rode that hoss right over the cliff. :doh

Gay marriage only relevance to my discussion was that its opponents are not firmly ostricized in socity, scorned and made to be some sort of extremist pariah. Is that what is to happen to those who believe in fidelity as well? Sure no one is marching for paetraus but you said it yourself - there are those who don't even think he should have lost his job. So is that the beginning of a general acceptance of infedility - lead by the left - as it helps destroy another tenant of the Christian faith?

StillBallin75 said:

what exactly does gay marriage have to do with infidelity? And wtf does Petraeus have to do with anything? I've seen some liberals argue that Petraeus shouldn't have lost his job, but really, are liberals out in the streets marching for and cheering for Petraeus cheating on his wife?

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