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What should Gay Christians do?

Goshin said:
Whatever they want, I suppose. :shrug:


Find a church that accepts them? There seem to be quite a few these days.
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Ya that, or invent a new sect, called the Homosexual Christians of latter day saints. If scientology can be a religion; anything goes:think:
 
24107 said:
Ya that, or invent a new sect, called the Homosexual Christians of latter day saints. If scientology can be a religion; anything goes:think:
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Why go through all the trouble when there's a rather large segment of Christians who accept us?
 
Gay Christians should simply be themselves just like anyone else no matter what their sexuality or religion is.
 
CriticalThought said:
What do you think gay Christians should do with their lives in order to live in compliance with the Christian faith?
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The same thing that any Christian who is tempted to do anything else that is evil or immoral should do. The same as I should do if I am tempted to cheat on my wife. The same as someone who is tempted to steal. The same as someone who is tempted to murder. The same as someone who is tempted to molest children.

What makes you think that your own particular form of evil is somehow special, that you do not have the same obligation to avoid it that everyone else who is tempted toward every other sort of evil equally has?
 
Bob Blaylock said:
The same thing that any Christian who is tempted to do anything else that is evil or immoral should do. The same as I should do if I am tempted to cheat on my wife. The same as someone who is tempted to steal. The same as someone who is tempted to murder. The same as someone who is tempted to molest children.

What makes you think that your own particular form of evil is somehow special, that you do not have the same obligation to avoid it that everyone else who is tempted toward every other sort of evil equally has?
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Homosexuality is evil now?
 
24107 said:
They should stop being homosexual's, because as you know; in christianity it's a forbidden sin. And if you do not cease homosexual activities you are not really a Christian. :alert
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This kind of attitude just turns people away from the faith. Not just gays either. What's sad is someday your own church will not tolerate this and you don't even realize it. If in an area surrounded by Christians like this, I believe leaving the church is a better option than tormenting oneself trying to fit in. Worship at home, form a new sect, whatever the case.
 
Jerry said:
All sex is evil, if you believe Paul. It can be necessary, however, and so various rules are set forth.
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I'm quite fond of what Nietzsche wrote regarding Paul:

That the ship of Christianity threw overboard a good deal of its Jewish ballast, that it went, and was able to go, among the pagans--that was due to this one man, a very tortured, very pitiful, very unpleasant man, unpleasant even to himself. He suffered from a fixed idea--or more precisely, from a fixed, ever-present, never-resting question: what about the Jewish law? and particularly the fulfillment of this law?

In his youth he had himself wanted to satisfy it, with a ravenous hunger for this highest distinction which the Jews could conceive - this people who were propelled higher than any other people by the imagination of the ethically sublime, and who alone succeeded in creating a holy god together with the idea of sin as a transgression against this holiness. Paul became the fanatical defender of this god and his law and guardian of his honor; at the same time, in the struggle against the transgressors and doubters, lying in wait for them, he became increasingly harsh and evilly disposed towards them, and inclined towards the most extreme punishments. And now he found that--hot-headed, sensual, melancholy, malignant in his hatred as he was-- he was himself unable to fulfill the law; indeed, and this seemed strangest to him, his extravagant lust to domineer provoked him continually to transgress the law, and he had to yield to this thorn.

Is it really his "carnal nature" that makes him transgress again and again? And not rather, as he himself suspected later, behind it the law itself, which must constantly prove itself unfulfillable and which lures him to transgression with irresistable charm? But at that time he did not yet have this way out. He had much on his conscience - he hints at hostility, murder, magic, idolatry, lewdness, drunkenness, and pleasure in dissolute carousing - and... moments came when he said to himself:"It is all in vain; the torture of the unfulfilled law cannot be overcome."... The law was the cross to which he felt himself nailed: how he hated it! how he searched for some means to annihilate it--not to fulfill it any more himself!
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Bob Blaylock said:
The same thing that any Christian who is tempted to do anything else that is evil or immoral should do. The same as I should do if I am tempted to cheat on my wife. The same as someone who is tempted to steal. The same as someone who is tempted to murder. The same as someone who is tempted to molest children.

What makes you think that your own particular form of evil is somehow special, that you do not have the same obligation to avoid it that everyone else who is tempted toward every other sort of evil equally has?
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Cheating, theft, murder, and molestation have victims. Homosexuality does not.
 
Bob Blaylock said:
The same thing that any Christian who is tempted to do anything else that is evil or immoral should do. The same as I should do if I am tempted to cheat on my wife. The same as someone who is tempted to steal. The same as someone who is tempted to murder. The same as someone who is tempted to molest children.

What makes you think that your own particular form of evil is somehow special, that you do not have the same obligation to avoid it that everyone else who is tempted toward every other sort of evil equally has?
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I don't think you care very much about gay people if you ask that question. Evil things are those things that hurt people. Nobody is hurt by consensual homosexual behavior, especially when it is within a monogamous, committed relationship. To compare it to things that bring about harm shows very little character on your part.
 
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CriticalThought said:
What do you think gay Christians should do with their lives in order to live in compliance with the Christian faith?

Should they seek to change their sexual attractions?
Should they choose to remain celibate for the rest of their lives?
Should they marry a person of the opposite sex?
Should they seek a long term relationship or marriage with someone of the same sex?
Should they seek to change their religious affiliation or scriptural interpretation to one that accepts their sexual orientation?

I'm not Christian, but as a gay individual I often hear people proclaiming that homosexual behavior is "living in sin". I notice they don't exactly articulate what the alternative should be or even advocate the benefits of an alternative. That is part of the problem I often have with those individuals. They can yell, "I don't agree with the way you live," but they don't offer any friendly suggestions as to how people should live their lives if they have same sex attractions. In my opinion it kind of says a lot about their true intentions and how little they actually care about people with same sex attractions. They are only interested in condemning the behavior and not helping them find a way to live a wholesome and happy life in accordance with their faith.
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Frankly, as much as some people believe otherwise, it isn't against Christianity as a practice to be gay. Christianity itself is a belief that you are saved through faith, and not based on who or what you are.

Alot of Christians do believe that homosexuality is wrong, but it's based in OT scriptures, and not NT, which is the part of the Bible which Christianity (as a faith system) is based on. Homosexuality isn't covered in the ten commandments, nor did Jesus ever say anything about homosexuality being wrong, at least not that I have ever read or been told.

So, I guess what I'm saying is that a good number of Christians believe it is a sin, but that belief is not based on the teachings of Jesus, nor condemned in the ten commandments, but just believed because there are some passages that condemn it. I personally think you can be a practicing Christian and homosexual without stressing or worrying about it.
 
Your Star said:
I'm gonna live my life, and just try to treat everyone the way I would want to be treated. Do what makes me happy, and live life to the fullest. What else should I do?
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A video camera is not very expensive. Wait, did I just say that in church?
 
24107 said:
They should stop being homosexual's, because as you know; in christianity it's a forbidden sin. And if you do not cease homosexual activities you are not really a Christian. :alert
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Oh yes, we should base all marriages upon the Bible, and allow no others except these. OK, here we go:

Here’s a summary of marriages allowed in the Bible:

Man + Woman (Nuclear Family, Monogamous, heterosexual marriage)

What you might think of as the standard form of marriage, provided you think of arranged marriages as the standard. Also remember that inter-faith or cross-ethnic marriage were forbidden for large chunks of biblical history. Genesis 2:24

Man + Women (Polygamy)

Probably the most common form of marriage in the bible, it is where a man has more than one wife. For example, Jacob had 2 wives and fathered 13 children. This is rarely spoken about when the subject of marriage and the bible is debated! Genesis 4:19
Esau (3 wives), Gideon (many), Solomon (700)

Man + Brother’s Widow (Levirate Marriage)

When a woman was widowed without a son, it became the responsibility of the brother-in-law or a close male relative to take her in and impregnate her. If the resulting child was a son, he would be considered the heir of her late husband. See Ruth, and the story of Onan. Genesis 38:6-10

Man + Wives + Concubines

A man could have one or more wives and any number of concubines. The definition of a concubine varies from culture to culture, but they tended to be live-in mistresses. Concubines were tied to their “husband,” but had a lower status than a wife. Their children were not usually heirs, so they were safe outlets for sex without risking the line of succession. Genesis 20:10 To see how badly a concubine could be treated, see the famous story of the Levite and his concubine Judges 19:1-30.
Abraham (2 concubines), Solomon (300)

Rapist + Victim

If a man raped a woman and she wasn’t married, she would be forced to marry him. A man could rape any woman that he liked and they would be considered married. The draw back? For the man OF COURSE! He could not divorce her!! Deuteronomy 22:28-29

Man + Woman + Woman’s Property

If a woman was “married” and infertile, she could give her property, her slave, to her husband as a wife. This is also referred to as the famous “handmaiden” sketch, as preformed by Abraham, Genesis 16:1-6, and Jacob, Genesis 30:4-5.

Male Soldier + Prisoner of War

As with many wars, women become the property of the victor. And that is how it was in biblical times. Female captives were forced to submit to their male captors, usually by force, RAPE. Deuteronomy 21:11-14 and Numbers 31:1-18

Male Slave + Female Slave

An owner could order a female slave to “marry” a male slave without any input from the female. The consummation of this “union” usually involved rape. Exodus 21:4
 
24107 said:
They should stop being homosexual's, because as you know; in christianity it's a forbidden sin. And if you do not cease homosexual activities you are not really a Christian. :alert
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So's wearing mixed fibers, but how many obey that one?

They should just make their own sect of Christianity with slightly different rules to meet their needs. That's what we've done for centuries now. There's a reason why there's more than just Roman Catholicism (the first established Christian Church I do believe). Every once in awhile a bunch of people get sick of the rules and they make up their own variant with the rules they want.
 
This will probably anger some, but It's my opinion alone.

You can ignore parts of the KJV Bible if you want, or you can mold and change it as you see fit. You can ignore whole verses from the NT if you want as well. From my pov I think everyone will be held accountable assuming there really is a God and there really does/did exist everything in the Bible. Meaning, if people ignore the Scriptures on homosexuality they can do that, but that past the end of life, when it is you and Judgment, you alone will be held accountable for your actions. This is not only directed towards homosexuals, but anyone who doesn't follow all(I think) verses of the NT. We will have some explaining to do. You, me, etc, if God/whoever were to ask us why we did not follow the bible clearly.

I also understand that the KJV itself is a "revised" book. Meaning it's not the original. That throws a major wrench into things, because how can one discern the original from the edited? And even if the original were found, how much of it is true? If I'm a Christian, and I completely disregard some other strange religion like paganism, how do I then justify my own faith in a God? As it is right now I'm trapped between two worlds of thought. There can be no middleground, because either you believe the Word of God or you don't, imo. The more I study and read and the more I debate the more I question Christianity and other religions.

Could homosexuals be damned to Hell for their actions? Sure, I suppose it's a possibility if one believes in a God and the rest of religion. Could it just be the every religion is just another man-made "structure" to keep the masses in line while giving them something to hope for? Sure, that's another possibility if we totally disbelieve in religions. What is true and what is false? It's nearly impossible to know for sure.
 
All of us fall short of the mark, and only the Father knows the hearts of His children. Maybe we should focus our attention on our own shortcomings and not worry about the splinters in others' eyes. God loves all of His children, however disappointed He surely is with most of us. ;)
 
Fear of possession is a perverted expression of the fear of the irresistable attraction. (Aside. Yes, this DOES apply to homosexuality, among other errors, where the whole concept of possessing, or “entering” is a key fear. It is a symbolic statement of an inverted decision NOT to enter into, or possess, the Kingdom. In physical terms, which it emphasizes because of the inherent error of Soul avoidance, REAL physical creation is avoided, and fantasy gratification is substituted.)
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As was said before, homosexuality is inherently more risky (or error prone) than heterosexuality, but both can be undertaken on an equally false basis. The falseness of the basis is clear in the accompanying fantasies. Homosexuality ALWAYS involves misperception of the self OR the partner, and generally both. Penetration DOES NOT involve magic, nor DOES ANY form of sexual behavior. It IS a magic belief to engage in ANY form of body image activity at all. You neither created yourselves, nor controlled your creation. By introducing levels into your own perception, you opened the way for body-image distortions.
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ACIM has been likened to "Christian Psychology". I've trouble understanding these passages but acim does seem to make sense of, in a comprehensible and relatable sort of way, Christian teachings from a psychological angle. I'm sure many members of Christian sects would dismiss ACIM btw. The above passages are from ACIM (A Course in Miracles URTEXT)

As for "what should gay Christians do?". Maybe visiting the ACIM URTEXT would be a start. I don't see much [details] clarification about it in The Bible except that it's implicated as a sin (error) and to repent (turn away from, correct) the error of ones ways.
 
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CriticalThought said:
What do you think gay Christians should do with their lives in order to live in compliance with the Christian faith?
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"Christian Faith" can mean many things to many people. Keep in mind Christ never said anything about homosexuality. He made it clear what his core belief was, what is most important. See my signature.

I know a gay Catholic who go to church every weekend. I don't know who at his church knows about his private life. I don't if those that know really care.

A Gay Christian should pray for those who harbor bigotry and hatred in their hearts. Wish them well.
 
24107 said:
And if you do not cease homosexual activities you are not really a Christian. :alert
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Doesn't say that anywhere in the bible. It's a made up belief just like Christmas and Easter. Those words don't appear in the bible at all.
 
hazlnut said:
Doesn't say that anywhere in the bible. It's a made up belief just like Christmas and Easter. Those words don't appear in the bible at all.
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Christmas and Easter aren't beliefs, they are just holidays in which we celebrate the birth of Christ, and His Resurrection.

Yes the dates, and some of the traditions were co-opted from pagan holidays, but that doesn't make them beliefs.
 
CriticalThought said:
What do you think gay Christians should do with their lives in order to live in compliance with the Christian faith?

Should they seek to change their sexual attractions?
Should they choose to remain celibate for the rest of their lives?
Should they marry a person of the opposite sex?
Should they seek a long term relationship or marriage with someone of the same sex?
Should they seek to change their religious affiliation or scriptural interpretation to one that accepts their sexual orientation?

I'm not Christian, but as a gay individual I often hear people proclaiming that homosexual behavior is "living in sin". I notice they don't exactly articulate what the alternative should be or even advocate the benefits of an alternative. That is part of the problem I often have with those individuals. They can yell, "I don't agree with the way you live," but they don't offer any friendly suggestions as to how people should live their lives if they have same sex attractions. In my opinion it kind of says a lot about their true intentions and how little they actually care about people with same sex attractions. They are only interested in condemning the behavior and not helping them find a way to live a wholesome and happy life in accordance with their faith.
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Rocket88 posted this a few days ago. I think it's relevant to your question:

I found this on Facebook. Thought I'd share it.

On her radio show, Dr. Laura said that, as an observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus 18:22, and cannot be condoned under any circumstance. The following response is an open letter to Dr. Schlesinger, written by a US man, and posted on the Internet. It's funny, as well as quite informative:

Dear Dr. Laura:

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Laws and how to follow them.

1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination, Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?

7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I'm confident you can help.

Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Your adoring fan,

James M. Kauffman, Ed.D. Professor Emeritus, Dept. Of Curriculum, Instruction, and Special Education University of Virginia

P.S. (It would be a damn shame if we couldn't own a Canadian.)
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Check it out on Snopes.com -- it has an interesting history.
 
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