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Buy your way to Heaven! The Catholic Church brings back indulgences

Lokiate said:
Says the guy that insults my intelligence based on my nationality.
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I insult your intelligence based on the validity of the statements in the posts you make.
What nationality is that...?
 
MKULTRABOY said:
I insult your intelligence based on the validity of the statements in the posts you make.
What nationality is that...?
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You did no such thing. Especially not with this little gem:

MKULTRABOY said:
Well theyre at about 1-15 percent worship in europe...

and since your american i doubt youre going to confirm that south americans exist...
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Yes, I am American, and no, I don't deny the existence of South Americas existence. I don't even know where you get this crap from.

Religious demographics throughout the world:

Christian 33.35% (of which Roman Catholic 16.83%, Protestant 6.08%, Orthodox 4.03%, Anglican 1.26%), Muslim 22.43%, Hindu 13.78%, Buddhist 7.13%, Sikh 0.36%, Jewish 0.21%, Baha'i 0.11%, other religions 11.17%, non-religious 9.42%, atheists 2.04%

Christianity is hardly dead, as you asserted. You wishing it so is not fact.
 
Your Star said:
Which you pay for, and that goes against everything Christ taught.
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Christ taught against giving donations to the church? In effect, that's what a plenary indulgence is; mind you, not all donations are plenary indulgences.

There are two aspects to the sacrament of reconciliation (confession): honest confession of sin and its forgiveness, and temporal punishment for the sin. The two go hand in hand. A plenary indulgence assumes that the sin has been confessed and a priest has granted forgiveness of the sin. The penitent must now do penance to expiate the temporal aspect of reconciliation. One of the ways to do this is via plenary indulgence, in effect, a donation to the church.

...the later Middle Ages saw the growth of considerable abuses. Greedy commissaries sought to extract the maximum amount of money for each indulgence. Professional "pardoners" (quaestores in Latin) - who were sent to collect alms for a specific project - practiced the unrestricted sale of indulgences. Many of these quaestores exceeded Church teachings, whether in avarice or ignorant zeal, and promised impossible rewards like salvation from eternal damnation in return for money.

Indulgence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

No one has any excuse to continue in reactionary ignorance on the issue of indulgences. A cursory amount of reading on the subject will show you that the issue is dramatically overblown, like most issues involving supposed shortcomings of the Catholic church.
 
No - I think, overall, the whole idea that you must do A B and C before your sin can be forgiven is what's being criticized.

To most other Abrahamic faiths: no one stands in the way of you going to God or forgiveness of your sins - you don't have hoops to jump through, penance to pay.

The Catholic Church perverts these very basics and does it at the financial gain of the church itself.
 
This issue unlines the fundamental distinction between being Catholic and being a Protestant (ie protestor against the Catholic church.)

In the Catholic religion, a person can earn their way into heaven. In the Protestant faith, salvation in only by the grace of God.
 
James 2

1 My brothers and sisters, believers in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ must not show favoritism. 2 Suppose a man comes into your meeting wearing a gold ring and fine clothes, and a poor man in filthy old clothes also comes in. 3 If you show special attention to the man wearing fine clothes and say, “Here’s a good seat for you,” but say to the poor man, “You stand there” or “Sit on the floor by my feet,” 4 have you not discriminated among yourselves and become judges with evil thoughts?

5 Listen, my dear brothers and sisters: Has not God chosen those who are poor in the eyes of the world to be rich in faith and to inherit the kingdom he promised those who love him?
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The Catholic church is oh so wrong on this (and other things). Ritualistic bureaucracies are dangerous. I wonder if priests get a premium forgiveness rate for molestation?
 
digsbe said:
The Catholic church is oh so wrong on this (and other things). Ritualistic bureaucracies are dangerous. I wonder if priests get a premium forgiveness rate for molestation?
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And I think you have hit upon an important facet of Christ's teachings. He said that we may know of something by the fruit it bears.
 
danarhea said:
Strange that some people think that you can buy your way into Heaven. Maybe they believe there is a Wal-Mart up there too.

Article is here.
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The author who wrote that, no one can really be that stupid, so I have to believe he's either lunging, or grossly negligent.

The Church never sanctioned the sale of indulgences. That is a lie.

The Church never abandoned the practice of indulgences.

The Church, has occasionally been criticized by people with such total levels of stupidity, although it's rare for it to be that blatant.
 
Paleocon said:
The author who wrote that, no one can really be that stupid, so I have to believe he's either lunging, or grossly negligent.

The Church never sanctioned the sale of indulgences. That is a lie.

The Church never abandoned the practice of indulgences.

The Church, has occasionally been criticized by people with such total levels of stupidity, although it's rare for it to be that blatant.
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Are you calling the Catholic Church a liar?
 
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