Female Pope? Bishop? Cardinal? Priest? [W:235]

Would you support such a thing, or not?

Specifically, why not?

Why does the Catholic Church not allow a female to be Pope? Or any of the other major positions of power?

Do you think it's possible you'll see this archaic practice changed within your lifetime?

Would you want it changed?

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Dragonfly said:

Would you support such a thing, or not?

Specifically, why not?

Why does the Catholic Church not allow a female to be Pope? Or any of the other major positions of power?

Do you think it's possible you'll see this archaic practice changed within your lifetime?

Would you want it changed?

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I would have to care to want it changed. I also care about people playing psychological class warfare pitting sole results against each other so as to create an artificial reality where they can proclaim themselves humanity's salvation of collective bargaining rights to character matters metaphorically in a metaphysical science sort of way.

Gig is up and imploding faster than it can organize again. But keep trying to use spiritual energy of thought to undermine the competition of ruling humanity's souls next generation to this moment forever here and always now balancing everything taking place as usual.

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I wouldn't care, of course, I'm not a Catholic and don't really care either way.

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OneMale said:

I would have to care to want it changed.

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So you don't care about senseless gender bias? That's odd. Do you have a daughter, a wife, a mother?

Why should a human being be prohibited from achieving something like a religious leadership position simply because they don't have male reproductive parts?

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Dragonfly said:

So you don't care about senseless gender bias? That's odd. Do you have a daughter, a wife, a mother?

Why should a human being be prohibited from achieving something like a religious leadership position simply because they don't have male reproductive parts?

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No one is forcing them to be a member of the Catholic Church, in fact if a woman wants to have a position of leadership in a religious sense, there are numerous sects of the Christian faith that allows such things.

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Your Star said:

No one is forcing them to be a member of the Catholic Church, in fact if a woman wants to have a position of leadership in a religious sense, there are numerous sects of the Christian faith that allows such things.

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I'm fully aware of that, however, the catholic church is very specific in their restrictions.

I don't understand it, and I really don't understand why modern, western humans not only put up with it, but they also support it.

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Dragonfly said:

So you don't care about senseless gender bias? That's odd. Do you have a daughter, a wife, a mother?

Why should a human being be prohibited from achieving something like a religious leadership position simply because they don't have male reproductive parts?

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It is within that social structure to do as they want it to be. Now I just gave those willing to change it the means to changing it by understanding what their faith failed to educate it's character roles. The rest is up to those playing the character roles of societal evolution living within genetic migration always taking place within this compounding moment of instantly added changes of details never duplicated as before or since.

I am only one male human like each of them being a sole result of their own specific ancestry. It isn't my place to order up and direct a reality that denies the real moment so my ideology can rule over theirs and they pay me tribute for allowing them to continue thinking they are inferior to my superior thought process when it is the same instincts among each.

Understand is just so much more powerful that self delusion sold as a social identitiy in reality of protecting humanity's greater good intentions.

After all the metaphor of Hell is the road paved.......getting there as now is etenrity's results added so far.

What is Hell but the repeat of the same mistakes over and over each generation between inception to the food chain and extinction from it here now.

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Dragonfly said:

I'm fully aware of that, however, the catholic church is very specific in their restrictions.

I don't understand it, and I really don't understand why modern, western humans not only put up with it, but they also support it.

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Segregating east against west, that would fall under left vs right, which can translate liberal vs conservative that goes back to democrats vs republicans that reverts back to sinners and saints.

Oh the web humans weave ..... for the greater good of their projected realities.

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Not gonna happen any time soon. No institution on the planet is more set in its ways than the Catholic Church.

I'm not saying that it wouldn't be a good thing, but they are just way too set in their ways. I wonder how many people are leaving that church annually. I've known a lot of former Catholics. Most that I've known seem to remain christians, but one became a Lutheran, one became a Pentecostal, one a Quaker.

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OneMale said:

Segregating east against west, that would fall under left vs right, which can translate liberal vs conservative that goes back to democrats vs republicans that reverts back to sinners and saints.

Oh the web humans weave ..... for the greater good of their projected realities.

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:roll:

Western "culture" is breaking out of the concept/ideology that females are merely a possession.
If females can run countries and industries why can't they hold a position of power within a religious society?

I wouldn't expect those brought up in a non-western culture to react as strongly to gender oppression.

The only tangle is the one you've designed yourself.

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Dragonfly said:

:roll:

Western "culture" is breaking out of the concept/ideology that females are merely a possession.
If females can run countries and industries why can't they hold a position of power within a religious society?

I wouldn't expect those brought up in a non-western culture to react as strongly to gender oppression.

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For every action there is an equal and oppposite reaction, now add the limits of self containment where three states of characteristics exist in each resulting self evident detail never staying the same details between conception and death.

What separates gas, liquid, and mineral molecules as they frame and form the environment and the genetic lifetimes within that sphere of existence within the results self contained and self maintaining?
I see the metaphor of now expanding and contracting taking a handful of the whole planet and assembling it into the human species being the limit of cellular adaption and making that species the top/epitemy of the food chain. But it isn't the guardian of functions functioning as they see fit to manage uinder false pretenses by any code of silence politically, religiously, or economically.

So do not point a finger of blame to one social order over another as all are making the same mistake sold separately as vernacular tribalism. Know what is real to keep your own house of ideology in order of now being eternity's results so far, because dare go beyond those invidible walls and you will make your own self inflicted extinction come true.

Problem is you will take the entire food chain with you, and that is Hell in the making of eternity's results here so far.

That is the metaphor to Catholicisms Purgatory, Heaven, and Hell along with the idea of immaculate inception. they weren't entirely wrong, just incomplete by design and every other humanity is doing it the same way.

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It would seem to me better that the Anachronists should be left to dig their own grave and be forgotten as anything but child-abusers

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Penderyn said:

It would seem to me better that the Anachronists should be left to dig their own grave and be forgotten as anything but child-abusers

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that would be nice, but tyranny is misery loves company making everyone else feel as miserable as those in charge do about themselves. It is what fuels scorched earth attitudes where if one cannot rule, nobody else will get the chance mentality that grows within the ideas character matters most in the spirit of the law defining who's who in humanity's greater good intentions of regulating societal evolution to genetic migration taking place now being forever here to the ancestry and ancestors coming from this specific balance so far.

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Rosie1 said:

Not gonna happen any time soon. No institution on the planet is more set in its ways than the Catholic Church.

I'm not saying that it wouldn't be a good thing, but they are just way too set in their ways. I wonder how many people are leaving that church annually. I've known a lot of former Catholics. Most that I've known seem to remain christians, but one became a Lutheran, one became a Pentecostal, one a Quaker.

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A decade plus ago when I was the Stewardship Chairman for a Lutheran church we saw quite an influx of families from the RCC. Mostly young families that were not happy with the idea of tithing that was prevalant in the RCC at that time. Of course the Lutheran Church has been jokingly referred to as "the backdoor of the Catholic Church" for years, since there is a very high degree of similarity between the two denominations. UNLESS they make the mistake of walking into an Evangelical Lutheran Church (ELCA) or a Wisconsin Synod Church instead of an English or Missouri Synod church. The ELCA is about as liberal as you could ever imagine, whereas the Wisconsin Synod churches are even more Conservative than the RCC (no women allowed to be involved in the performance of the service or holding offices in the church whatsoever).

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Dragonfly said:

Would you support such a thing, or not?

Specifically, why not?

Why does the Catholic Church not allow a female to be Pope? Or any of the other major positions of power?

Do you think it's possible you'll see this archaic practice changed within your lifetime?

Would you want it changed?

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i do not care what a how a religion structures itself as long as they leave me alone.

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liblady said:

i do not care what a how a religion structures itself as long as they leave me alone.

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Does the same apply to the FLDS and their views on polygamy and forced marriage of very young teenage girls?

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Dragonfly said:

Does the same apply to the FLDS and their views on polygamy and forced marriage of very young teenage girls?

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Aren't sects in Islam allowed more than one wife also and forced marriages of young teenage girls?

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Dragonfly said:

Does the same apply to the FLDS and their views on polygamy and forced marriage of very young teenage girls?

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I'm going to rephrase liblady's statement (which I agree with) to add clarification and better fit my own view on things and thus answer your question:

I don't care how a religion structures itself as long as they leave me and any legally unable to consent minor alone.

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As people become more educated and learn to reframe the context of the scriptures, women will work their way into the religions of the world. That's the way it used to be and it shall return to that. Until then, we will live in supreme imbalance

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Temporal said:

As people become more educated and learn to reframe the context of the scriptures, women will work their way into the religions of the world. That's the way it used to be and it shall return to that. Until then, we will live in supreme imbalance

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Imbalance is supreme? that's right reality rules the real moment by words alone. Be it spiritual or political rule of law defining the characters of society seeking something greater than just being a human sole result.

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Arcana XV said:

I'm going to rephrase liblady's statement (which I agree with) to add clarification and better fit my own view on things and thus answer your question:

I don't care how a religion structures itself as long as they leave me and any legally unable to consent minor alone.

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Sex discrimination is fine as long as it doesn't effect you?

So you'd not have a problem if Coca-Cola strictly prohibited females from leadership and management positions, as long as you didn't work for Coca-Cola?

To be clear here - I don't really care much about the Catholic Church either. I find the hypocrisy of the discrimination against females thing intriguing in that it seems many females within the church don't seem to care.

I was hoping a female catholic might join the conversation and contribute as to why she may or may not have an issue with that kind of discrimination.

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Dragonfly said:

Sex discrimination is fine as long as it doesn't effect you?

So you'd not have a problem if Coca-Cola strictly prohibited females from leadership and management positions, as long as you didn't work for Coca-Cola?

To be clear here - I don't really care much about the Catholic Church either. I find the hypocrisy of the discrimination against females thing intriguing in that it seems many females within the church don't seem to care.

I was hoping a female catholic might join the conversation and contribute as to why she may or may not have an issue with that kind of discrimination.

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You do care about pounding the class warfare drums. OH look I(you) made an issue out in the open and look what good intentions I(you) am trying to bring out in the open. Tell them why in substance functioning past policies are incomplete, not right or wrong, just incomplete. that might just bring about change faster than telling them they are completely wrong. Show them what is missing.

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Dragonfly said:

Sex discrimination is fine as long as it doesn't effect you?

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Religion is a choice. If you voluntarily join or stick with a religion that openly discriminates against your gender, that's your problem.

So you'd not have a problem if Coca-Cola strictly prohibited females from leadership and management positions, as long as you didn't work for Coca-Cola?

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Coca-Cola is not a religious organisation. The laws governing business are not the same as the ones governing recognized religions. Please, put those goal posts back where they were in your OP.

To be clear here - I don't really care much about the Catholic Church either. I find the hypocrisy of the discrimination against females thing intriguing in that it seems many females within the church don't seem to care.

I was hoping a female catholic might join the conversation and contribute as to why she may or may not have an issue with that kind of discrimination.

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Can't help you there. The reasons I left the Catholic Church have very little to do with the fact I could never become a priest or pope.

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A female priest would be a good thing. A married priest would be a good thing.

Not gonna happen in my lifetime, though.

I was raised Catholic, and spent some time in a seminary studying to be a priest. I left the Church in part over it's treatment of women, and it's unnatural stances on sexual behavior.

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Arcana XV said:

Religion is a choice.

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Really? Millions of people are born and raised into that religion. They are indoctrinated and "brain-washed" into a belief system from birth with little to no choice.

Yes, it is in some ways a choice, but in other ways it isn't.

in many ways it's a part of peoples lives that they're raised in.