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What's wrong with birth control? [W:452]

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I think the Catholics are incredibly wrong when it comes to birth control and there really is no sound Biblical basis behind banning all birth controls... Also, the concept of a mortal sin is stupid imo.

Since people here seem to be going way off-topic I'd throw in the concept of "original sin" as being about as daft as one can get.
 
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Since people here seem to be going way off-topic I'd throw in the concept of "original sin" as being about as daft as one can get.

Until you understand the substance to the metaphor "original sin". Not accepting real and making realities that never fit by design of those directing the actions of societal evolution in governance of genetic migration only moving within the present now moment.

this brings every topic and issue to now being here all the time. The source of humanity's rule of law where characters have rights at the expense of gender liberty in having a lifetime in knowing what they are all the time instead of behaving like society's child.
 
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Why would they be?

That's the (secular) problem with mandating Catholic institutions to provide birth control - we would be encouraging risk taking behavior among those not yet prepared to introduce children into the world.
 
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Until you understand the substance to the metaphor "original sin". Not accepting real and making realities that never fit by design of those directing the actions of societal evolution in governance of genetic migration only moving within the present now moment.

So baptism of babies is symbolic, but really has no meaning at all?
 
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That's the (secular) problem with mandating Catholic institutions to provide birth control - we would be encouraging risk taking behavior among those not yet prepared to introduce children into the world.

Almost all churches and even society itself outrightly disapprove of premarital sex or sex outside the marriage - so that's not a catholic 'problem' or something.

So the view that they're against bc because it would lead to promiscuity is obscured by the fact that they are just already out rightly against promiscuity completely - bc issue or no bc issue.

Even if they changed their view on bc they still wouldn't be 'for' promiscuous behavior :shrug:
 
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So baptism of babies is symbolic, but really has no meaning at all?

The same as Freemasons thumping one on the head to be reborn a different character in reality. Or Thespians joining a Honor society. Intellect vs instincts. goes all the way back to the dawn of civilization.
 
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So baptism of babies is symbolic, but really has no meaning at all?

To me it had no meaning, when i was a kid I did it because everyone else had done it and I was the only one left out - but to my sister it was a stab in the back when I didn't go to her son's baptism a few weeks ago.

It's a personal thing I guess. . . I don't see the relevance of it but others are very much involved in it emotionally and spiritually.
 
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First, birth control isn't perfect.

Second, even if it was perfect, people's memories to use it aren't perfect either.

Third, publicly distributing birth control encourages promiscuity between those who use birth control and those who don't.

For example, among kids in the same school (where attendance is mandatory), it would be wrong for some to have sex while using birth control because that alters the school's environment for social competition. In turn, it influences other kids to have sex so they can be optimally socially competitive.

If you want, think of it like how a trade union works. A trade union is established so nobody has to take health risks when they're on the job site.

If we tolerate encouraged promiscuity, health risks will be encouraged too.

I've got some breaking news for you....humans are genetically programmed to have sex, no encouragement needed. Fear of pregnancy will not stop them, nor wil fear of God. Until you realize that fact you have no clue.
 
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To me it had no meaning, when i was a kid I did it because everyone else had done it and I was the only one left out - but to my sister it was a stab in the back when I didn't go to her son's baptism a few weeks ago.

It's a personal thing I guess. . . I don't see the relevance of it but others are very much involved in it emotionally and spiritually.

Isn't societal evolution great. Characters have rights but sisters become enemies over ideologies. almost by design if one were a believer in fate and destiny. Then should one understand almost doesn't exist.

I understand how that felt coming from your sister.
 
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Ask a devout catholic what happens to babies who die and were not baptized.

I know what I was told by a rather irate lady who was shocked at the idea that my wife and I would not be baptizing our kids.

Comes back to that "original sin" thing and dying a "sinner".
 
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I'm curious. Isn't the rule among Catholics "don't use artificial birth control"? It's not "don't handle artificial birth control." Nor is it "don't acknowledge that some people, even some Catholics, might want to use it." Unless someone is mandating use of birth control, the beliefs of this rather vocal minority of Catholics aren't actually being infringed upon. No part of Catholic dogma that I'm aware of makes reference to tax codes and employee benefits.
 
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catholic church had to accept the evolution as a fact, , maybe now it tries to rebuild its influence on people again..
 
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Since people here seem to be going way off-topic I'd throw in the concept of "original sin" as being about as daft as one can get.

How so? I view the "original sin" as the first sin. We started somewhere...
 
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How so? I view the "original sin" as the first sin. We started somewhere...
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You see no insanity in the concept of every child is born with sin?
 
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You see no insanity in the concept of every child is born with sin?

You don't see the insanity teaching every human lifetime they cannot know what is real without adopting a social identity in reality?
 
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You see no insanity in the concept of every child is born with sin?

Born with a sinful nature, not with sins they didn't commit.

Back to birth control though... The Catholic church is wrong, their stance is based on ideology and not so much on Biblical theology. They have the right to not use contraceptives, Catholic institutions have the right to not dispense them. But their argument is wrong and unfounded.
 
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Born with a sinful nature, not with sins they didn't commit.

Back to birth control though... The Catholic church is wrong, their stance is based on ideology and not so much on Biblical theology. They have the right to not use contraceptives, Catholic institutions have the right to not dispense them. But their argument is wrong and unfounded.

but no one is asking them to dispense birth control.
 
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Yes - however stupid I think the church is for having this view: Our Constitution does dictate what the government can and cannot push onto those religious entities.
 
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Yes - however stupid I think the church is for having this view: Our Constitution does dictate what the government can and cannot push onto those religious entities.

O want to ask this question, the church is stupid in your opinion, but what is a church, a policital state of mind or aspiritual sense of character value outside of recognition one's own lifetime is just another sole result of ancestry within a specific variety of a specific species of male and female lifetimes?

Social justification is the evil in humanity regardless the rule of law granting character rights by binding collective bargaining a social identity is greater than a sole result. Spin the circle logic any way it has been since civilization started, it still has the same core reasoning of incomplete teaching reality is better than real.

That in itself is self fulfilling prophecy to each societal exiperment in social justification symbolism is greater than substance understood completely and equally by every sole result added to ancestry of now's results so far.

Which hasn't yet occurred throughout history.
 
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I am lost on this - I know what the Catholic Church says 'about it' - but that doesn't explain *what* is actually wrong with using birth control to not get pregnant until you're ready when married.

Explain - in ways the Church hasn't tried to.

Do Catholics all agree with the Church's view are are there those who are Catholics who still use birth control eventhough they're told not to?

How does the Catholic Church view these parisioners who go against their 'authority' on the matter?

The Catholic church views sex as a spiritual act and feel that birth control cheapens and perverts it. The reasoning being that if you have no fear of consequences that you will engage in sex simply for the pleasure of it and ignore the "love" and bonding of it. That's not to say that the pleasure of sex is condemned in anyway, but that it's meant to be balanced by the other aspects of the act.

My personal view on Catholics that use birth control (in this day an age) is that it's a necessary "evil" in some cases. Many that I know that do use contraceptives ask for forgiveness for it during confession.
 
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Born with a sinful nature, not with sins they didn't commit.

Back to birth control though... The Catholic church is wrong, their stance is based on ideology and not so much on Biblical theology. They have the right to not use contraceptives, Catholic institutions have the right to not dispense them. But their argument is wrong and unfounded.

I disagree with your assessment on the Catholic Church's stance on birth control. I do believe there is justification for it in the bible. Personally, however, I would far rather someone use birth control than get an abortion.
 
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Besides the issue that generally the wrong people practice it, there's nothing wrong with birth control. ;)
 
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birth control allows a married couple to express their committed love for each other in physical ways, without fearing that it will lead to a child that they cannot afford to care for.

by banning birth control, the RCC is demanding that parents either raise children in poverty....or never have sex.

what a horrible dilemma to be in.
 
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with all that is going on in the world and in America I think its sad that this is the biggest news talking point.
 
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