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Post death experiences.

When I was a cop there was a 7 story high rise with 8 apartments on fire and I was told that two children were trapped in the apartment that was on fire. I went into the building to retrieve the children. I found out that the entire building was inhabited. The fire and smoke were spreading rapidly. I raced up to the top floor and evacuated each floor and leading people outside. I went in after the building was evacuated to find stragglers. Upon coming down the smoke was very thick and must have missed a step and flew head first down the stairs and crashed my head. I was overcome by smoke and I was dying.

This was the most peaceful moment I had ever experienced in my life, I was enveloped with a love that I have never experienced before or since. It seemed like an eternity, there was such a clarity and welcoming feeling. I knew that love, that place where I went, but , I had never been there. Then I was told not yet, not in words, but, a feeling, I had yet to fulfill my purpose. I became aware again of the smoke, the fire, the hell and dragged myself down the stairwell and made it outside. The fireman then came, everyone was out and I sat there coughing up black and soot.

The person that walked into that building did not walk out the same after that experience. I do not know what happened in there and I could never quite explain it. I will say that my life afterward had taken on a totally different purpose and I have felt guided ever since.
 
I know of several ICU's (which is a location where OOBE's can be expected) which have messages taped to the tops of cupboards or lightshades for bodiless travelers to see. Nobody has ever reported their existence, far less repeated the message(s). If anyone were actually watching from above, rather than hallucinating, then they would see them. That's not to say that the person does not experience the sensation, but said sensation is not that uncommon, and not limited to patients in extremis.
 
Manc Skipper said:
I know of several ICU's (which is a location where OOBE's can be expected) which have messages taped to the tops of cupboards or lightshades for bodiless travelers to see. Nobody has ever reported their existence, far less repeated the message(s). If anyone were actually watching from above, rather than hallucinating, then they would see them. That's not to say that the person does not experience the sensation, but said sensation is not that uncommon, and not limited to patients in extremis.
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Does that mean you think we need to be able to see dead people, or think that they don't exist?

Can you see electricity?

Does it exist?
 
OOBE's can be explained by natural phenomena triggered as the body reacts to often extreme trauma. There are several sequential stages commonly reported, such as the tunnel, the light, the watching over the resuscitation, though the religious aspects tend to be shaped by the spiritual upbringing of the individual.
 
Sadly ...for some, if they can not find it under a microscope ... it doesn't exist.

Ah, but one day when this present life on earth is over.... everything will be known... well that is my opinion at least!;)
 
Rhapsody1447 said:
I have been watching Biography's Beyond and Back and have been extremely intrigued by this topic. Almost all reports involve seeing past loved ones and visions of heaven and hell. I would love to hear people's thoughts on possible explanations and beliefs about what happens after this life ends.

Some random clips, you should go to youtube and watch full episodes if you are interested.



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I've seen some of these documentaries. As much as I'd like to believe them, I really can't say that I do. It would be a pleasant surprise to find out it were true. The fact remains that those who've "come back" ? Weren't really dead. Their brains hadn't died . . . so hallucination is a real possibility that explains it all.
 
Connery said:
When I was a cop there was a 7 story high rise with 8 apartments on fire and I was told that two children were trapped in the apartment that was on fire. I went into the building to retrieve the children. I found out that the entire building was inhabited. The fire and smoke were spreading rapidly. I raced up to the top floor and evacuated each floor and leading people outside. I went in after the building was evacuated to find stragglers. Upon coming down the smoke was very thick and must have missed a step and flew head first down the stairs and crashed my head. I was overcome by smoke and I was dying.

This was the most peaceful moment I had ever experienced in my life, I was enveloped with a love that I have never experienced before or since. It seemed like an eternity, there was such a clarity and welcoming feeling. I knew that love, that place where I went, but , I had never been there. Then I was told not yet, not in words, but, a feeling, I had yet to fulfill my purpose. I became aware again of the smoke, the fire, the hell and dragged myself down the stairwell and made it outside. The fireman then came, everyone was out and I sat there coughing up black and soot.

The person that walked into that building did not walk out the same after that experience. I do not know what happened in there and I could never quite explain it. I will say that my life afterward had taken on a totally different purpose and I have felt guided ever since.
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Exactly. There is more to life than what we can grasp with our five senses.

TY for the post.
 
Manc Skipper said:
OOBE's can be explained by natural phenomena triggered as the body reacts to often extreme trauma. There are several sequential stages commonly reported, such as the tunnel, the light, the watching over the resuscitation, though the religious aspects tend to be shaped by the spiritual upbringing of the individual.
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The religious aspects my just be a means to communicate that which is inexplicable and difficult to comprehend to both the one who experienced the event listener of the event. That does not make the event any less credible.
 
Mya said:
Exactly. There is more to life than what we can grasp with our five senses.

TY for the post.
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Mya, sharing that is very difficult, but, I find myself once again with a measure of equanimity when I do. Thanks for listening....:)
 
Connery said:
Mya, sharing that is very difficult, but, I find myself once again with a measure of equanimity when I do. Thanks for listening....:)
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You are welcome Connery!
 
Connery said:
The religious aspects my just be a means to communicate that which is inexplicable and difficult to comprehend to both the one who experienced the event listener of the event. That does not make the event any less credible.
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I would not seek to deny the reality of the experience to the individual, only the interpretation. How do you see whilst out of your body, lacking the eyes necessary for vision?
 
Manc Skipper said:
I would not seek to deny the reality of the experience to the individual, only the interpretation. How do you see whilst out of your body, lacking the eyes necessary for vision?
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The vision is soul based and for me that is a reality.
 
Manc Skipper said:
I would not seek to deny the reality of the experience to the individual, only the interpretation. How do you see whilst out of your body, lacking the eyes necessary for vision?
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When one is "out-of-body", physical eyes are not required, nor is a physical body. It's quite obvious that the person who reports floating above their body, looking down as medical personnel are working to revive them, aren't actually physically floating.
 
But what are they looking down with? Light travels from an object through the cornea, iris, the lens, the vitreous humour and stimulates a rod or cone in the retina at the back of the eye, which sends an electrochemical signal along a nerve to the back of the brain where along with millions of other such impulses it's processed into a coherent image in real time constant updates. How can that actually happen without any of the constituent physical parts necessary for the process to take place?
 
Dittohead not! said:
I just finished reading a book, Heaven is for Real. It's a quick read about a four year old who has a near death experience. When he comes back, he tells some really interesting stories about Jesus and about his family, including his grandfather, who had died before he was born.

Interestingly, he recognized the grandfather from a picture of him when he was young. The boy said everyone is young in Heaven.

The boy said he had a sister in Heaven. His mother had had a miscarriage, but, of course, the little boy knew nothing of that.

Some of what he said was no doubt from his religious schooling, but other things he could not have known had his experience not been real.

It's quite thought provoking.
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I'd read that book as well. Parts of it made me cry. I'm not a religious person per se - but I don't pretend to know what happens after our bodies cease to exist. I have a hard time accepting that what makes us who we are (souls) aren't real and that they just wither away like the skin and bones that makes up the outside of us.

Very good book.
 
Manc Skipper said:
But what are they looking down with? Light travels from an object through the cornea, iris, the lens, the vitreous humour and stimulates a rod or cone in the retina at the back of the eye, which sends an electrochemical signal along a nerve to the back of the brain where along with millions of other such impulses it's processed into a coherent image in real time constant updates. How can that actually happen without any of the constituent physical parts necessary for the process to take place?
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Because a *soul* or *spirit*, whichever you would call it, is not physical, but more of a mental/emotional state of being. It's probably similar to the way you can recall an image from long ago. You aren't physically seeing it, but your mind sees it. If souls do indeed exist, and do indeed travel at the time of death, and those who have had NDE's report seeing people they lost while here on earth, then there must be some type of functioning which parallels physical existence, without the physical shell.
 
There's no evidence that it is anything more than a subjective experience which takes place entirely in the person's head. It is very real to them, but it is entirely composed of memories, expectations and thoughts of the individual. A Hindu doesn't come into the presence of Yahweh, or A Muslim to Variguru.. Nobody would expect to meet people still alive, or strangers, hence dead relatives who "say" things appropriate to your expectations of them, or merely generic reassuring pablums.
 
Manc Skipper said:
There's no evidence that it is anything more than a subjective experience which takes place entirely in the person's head. It is very real to them, but it is entirely composed of memories, expectations and thoughts of the individual. A Hindu doesn't come into the presence of Yahweh, or A Muslim to Variguru.. Nobody would expect to meet people still alive, or strangers, hence dead relatives who "say" things appropriate to your expectations of them, or merely generic reassuring pablums.
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How do you explain people knowing things that they've never been told in this life? Where did they find them out?
 
This is an ABSOLUTELY great thread, thanks for bringing it, this is very interesting. I have my own compilation of deaths, not only because there has been many around me, but also other accounts that converge, many atheistic. I may "publish" my records one day, if I ever get enough time to do a scientific analysis on it. One striking strong-point in all accounts is that everyone seems to stop experiencing reality as a sequence of events at the point of death, and everything becomes a combination of emotions. It also seems to matter what state the body was in just before death, as well as the emotional(!) environment that preceeds the death, this even going back years.
 
lizzie said:
Because a *soul* or *spirit*, whichever you would call it, is not physical, but more of a mental/emotional state of being. It's probably similar to the way you can recall an image from long ago. You aren't physically seeing it, but your mind sees it. If souls do indeed exist, and do indeed travel at the time of death, and those who have had NDE's report seeing people they lost while here on earth, then there must be some type of functioning which parallels physical existence, without the physical shell.
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Great point. I would like to add that what we deem physical is what we measure ELECTROMAGNETICALLY because that is all we have today in instrumentation. But it doesn't mean that non-electromagnetic forces can/can't originate/effect inside us. So we dilude ourselves that our body is electromagnetic, whereas physically it may be much more, not directly visible, may call it "soul"/"spirit". This doesn't preclude a non-physical existance either.
 
TheGirlNextDoor said:
I'd read that book as well. Parts of it made me cry. I'm not a religious person per se - but I don't pretend to know what happens after our bodies cease to exist. I have a hard time accepting that what makes us who we are (souls) aren't real and that they just wither away like the skin and bones that makes up the outside of us.

Very good book.
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Maybe it is interesting to consider then, that time itself is an artifact of how we see reality. So your birth and death is "coincidental" with everything else before, during, and after your life. I am saying this from the point of view of theoretical physics. So you/your-soul don't just wither and die or get born.
 
lizzie said:
To me, it's an intersting topic, but there is no way to know, with any certainty. When I was in my early 20's, I was really intrigued by it, and read about many accounts of NDE's and related topics. You will hear from the scientific community at large that it's due to chemical processes in the brain, which result from hypoxia. That is probably true, but it doesn't mean that the experiences are not actually real. To me, the strongest evidence is from the little boy who died and came back, then later was able to recount facts that he should not have known, to his parents. I also have a personal friend who was extremely ill a couple of years ago, and not expected to live, who has told me some out-of-body experiences which have actually strengthened my tendency to believe there is more than meets the eye.
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Forget chemistry (although it is an interesting science). Look at theoretical physics. You WILL find remarkabe convergence between those theories and the witness accounts you are mentioning. I will study maths when starting college, I am not bull****ing.
 
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