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The Bible does not really teach of any burning HELL as the word in the Bible only means the grave or garbage dump where they use to throw dead bodies.

Many religions beside Christianity has taught people this wrong barbaric idea as their religious doctrine, but it is not real.

1) Any God that burns people for any reason is not only a monster but a criminal and a sinner and an evil entity.

2) Burning people is not "mercy" as it is rather the opposite of mercy.

3) Burning people is not "kind" as it is rather the opposite of kindness.

4) Putting any person into a Hell, link, is not justice and it can not be.

5) To "love" means no pain and no more hurting for anyone, as per: "And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." KJV. Revelation 21:4.

God is love, link here = 1 John 4:8, and God does not hurt people, and that means no one ever goes to any hell.

Everyone is a sinner at various degrees and depth, and there is no one as righteous.

Nobody goes to some fire and torment of any hell, and the saying of "Hell on earth" in this lifetime now is far more accurate.

In the end everyone gets saved and not even one sinner nor one evil sheep gets lost or left out because salvation is for all of mankind.

Jesus said "Love thy enemies" just as God loves His enemies, Matthew 5:43-48, so love does not burn people and love does not hurt people, and that means not even those that are sinners and enemies.

The plan is to have a great salvation, and it would not be great if some people were excluded.

Just FYI.
 
Good post.
 
I have no idea what we're supposed to be debating here.
 
Response.

I have no idea what we're supposed to be debating here.

It is not necessary to debate everything, and this is a "discussion" board to discuss such things if anyone wants to discuss it.

I say we all already know what the "debate" is, so I do not pose this as a debate because I see no such debate which is why I ended the posting with a big "FYI".

My point is to give here information to enlighten anyone who might view it.
 
Re: Response.

The OP is completely, totally and wholly un-biblical.
 
The Bible does not really teach of any burning HELL as the word in the Bible only means the grave or garbage dump where they use to throw dead bodies.

Many religions beside Christianity has taught people this wrong barbaric idea as their religious doctrine, but it is not real.

1) Any God that burns people for any reason is not only a monster but a criminal and a sinner and an evil entity.

2) Burning people is not "mercy" as it is rather the opposite of mercy.

3) Burning people is not "kind" as it is rather the opposite of kindness.

4) Putting any person into a Hell, link, is not justice and it can not be.

5) To "love" means no pain and no more hurting for anyone, as per: "And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." KJV. Revelation 21:4.

God is love, link here = 1 John 4:8, and God does not hurt people, and that means no one ever goes to any hell.

Everyone is a sinner at various degrees and depth, and there is no one as righteous.

Nobody goes to some fire and torment of any hell, and the saying of "Hell on earth" in this lifetime now is far more accurate.

In the end everyone gets saved and not even one sinner nor one evil sheep gets lost or left out because salvation is for all of mankind.

Jesus said "Love thy enemies" just as God loves His enemies, Matthew 5:43-48, so love does not burn people and love does not hurt people, and that means not even those that are sinners and enemies.

The plan is to have a great salvation, and it would not be great if some people were excluded.

Just FYI.

You haven't even an understanding of God. If you did, you would understand His authority and respect that.

This is just another bait thread to PO religious people.
 
You haven't even an understanding of God. If you did, you would understand His authority and respect that.

This is just another bait thread to PO religious people.
lol

Like we're not familiar with every style. I don't believe this is a troll effort, but I can see how it may appear so.
 
The Bible does not really teach of any burning HELL as the word in the Bible only means the grave or garbage dump where they use to throw dead bodies.

Many religions beside Christianity has taught people this wrong barbaric idea as their religious doctrine, but it is not real.

1) Any God that burns people for any reason is not only a monster but a criminal and a sinner and an evil entity.

2) Burning people is not "mercy" as it is rather the opposite of mercy.

3) Burning people is not "kind" as it is rather the opposite of kindness.

4) Putting any person into a Hell, link, is not justice and it can not be.

5) To "love" means no pain and no more hurting for anyone, as per: "And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." KJV. Revelation 21:4.

God is love, link here = 1 John 4:8, and God does not hurt people, and that means no one ever goes to any hell.

Everyone is a sinner at various degrees and depth, and there is no one as righteous.

Nobody goes to some fire and torment of any hell, and the saying of "Hell on earth" in this lifetime now is far more accurate.

In the end everyone gets saved and not even one sinner nor one evil sheep gets lost or left out because salvation is for all of mankind.

Jesus said "Love thy enemies" just as God loves His enemies, Matthew 5:43-48, so love does not burn people and love does not hurt people, and that means not even those that are sinners and enemies.

The plan is to have a great salvation, and it would not be great if some people were excluded.

Just FYI.


It's an appealing notion, sure. I don't want anyone to go to hell; it would be wonderful if everyone somehow was saved in the end.

But this notion isn't biblical, at least not to my understanding.

There are many bible passages that seem to be in direct contradiction to this assertion.

Luke 16:23

2nd Peter 2:4

Revelations 1:18 and 20:13-14.
 
Re: Response.

It is not necessary to debate everything, and this is a "discussion" board to discuss such things if anyone wants to discuss it.

I say we all already know what the "debate" is, so I do not pose this as a debate because I see no such debate which is why I ended the posting with a big "FYI".

My point is to give here information to enlighten anyone who might view it.

Oh my bad, I didn't realize this was DiscussPolitics.com.
 
I have no idea what we're supposed to be debating here.

I don't know either--what the Jehovah's Witnesses believe?
 
Re: Response.

Oh my bad, I didn't realize this was DiscussPolitics.com.

You are correct that this is a "Debate Politics" forum, but I was looking just at the board title as "Religious Discussions" and I read the board "Sticky" which implied the Moderation here does not want overly critical or inflammatory postings, see it linked HERE, and I had just read those two titles and I proceeded accordingly.

I really was just trying to be facetious in that posting to you by claiming mine was a "discussion" and not a "debate" when surely I know there is not much distinction between the two words.
 
The Bible does not really teach of any burning HELL as the word in the Bible only means the grave or garbage dump where they use to throw dead bodies.

Many religions beside Christianity has taught people this wrong barbaric idea as their religious doctrine, but it is not real.

1) Any God that burns people for any reason is not only a monster but a criminal and a sinner and an evil entity.

2) Burning people is not "mercy" as it is rather the opposite of mercy.

3) Burning people is not "kind" as it is rather the opposite of kindness.

4) Putting any person into a Hell, link, is not justice and it can not be.

5) To "love" means no pain and no more hurting for anyone, as per: "And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." KJV. Revelation 21:4.

God is love, link here = 1 John 4:8, and God does not hurt people, and that means no one ever goes to any hell.

Everyone is a sinner at various degrees and depth, and there is no one as righteous.

Nobody goes to some fire and torment of any hell, and the saying of "Hell on earth" in this lifetime now is far more accurate.

In the end everyone gets saved and not even one sinner nor one evil sheep gets lost or left out because salvation is for all of mankind.

Jesus said "Love thy enemies" just as God loves His enemies, Matthew 5:43-48, so love does not burn people and love does not hurt people, and that means not even those that are sinners and enemies.

The plan is to have a great salvation, and it would not be great if some people were excluded.

Just FYI.

Is the contention then that there is no hell and everyone is forgiven in the end? Is there a point to religion in general if this is true?
 
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It's an appealing notion, sure. I don't want anyone to go to hell; it would be wonderful if everyone somehow was saved in the end.

But this notion isn't biblical, at least not to my understanding.

There are many bible passages that seem to be in direct contradiction to this assertion.

Luke 16:23

2nd Peter 2:4

Revelations 1:18 and 20:13-14.

The Bible does appear to have many contradictions and so we do have to put the scripture text together to get a correct interpretation.

There is no place of Hell and every person throughout all of humanity do get saved in the end.

That works for me.
 
Is the contention then that there is no hell and everyone is forgiven in the end?

Yes everyone is forgiven and everyone gets saved.

Jesus did not get sacrificed on the cross simply to save a few.

Jesus paid the price in full completely for all of humanity with not even one person being left out.

Is there a point to religion in general if this is true?

Religion has a separate purpose in that people do seem to need the show and feel of religion whether it is correct in some ways or not.

The thing which is needed and which is the real message of the Bible and of the Gospel is that people need to be saved now in this world and from the evils of this world and NOT after death.

In this world we have violence, lies, cruelties, injustice, ignorance, addictions, and stuff like those which we still do need to be saved from.

We do not need to worry about after death since God and Jesus has already taken care of that with the universal salvation for all of humanity, but here and now we have the bigger struggles going onward.
 
Alright. There's no hell so religious people don't have to worry about that. Without hell, there's no Satan, demons, and sin? Gee, why then believe in angels or God?
 
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The Bible does appear to have many contradictions and so we do have to put the scripture text together to get a correct interpretation.

There is no place of Hell and every person throughout all of humanity do get saved in the end.

That works for me.

Yes, you've asserted that... and presented some "if X then Y" assertions to support it... but you have not proven it in the context of Biblical scripture by any measure. If you feel you are able to do so, I await your proofs with interest.
 
Yes, you've asserted that... and presented some "if X then Y" assertions to support it... but you have not proven it in the context of Biblical scripture by any measure. If you feel you are able to do so, I await your proofs with interest.

See the opening post #1 of this thread.

That is it.

:2wave:

Alright. There's no hell so religious people don't have to worry about that. Without hell, there's no Satan, demons, and sin? Gee, why then believe in angels or God?

Having a Satan and Demons and sins are totally different subjects then having no Hell.

In the Bible the Apostle Paul declares that Satan helps God in saving the people, see linked here = 1 Corinthians 5:5.

And "sin" means "falling short" which only applies to those shooting at the target.

There is no "why" as in "why believe in God" because it does not matter if one wants to believe or not since the God thing exist whether we like it or not.

Why believe in black holes? because it is there, and why believe in God? because it is there.
 
Re: Response.

From Matthew

A Tree and Its Fruit

15“Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

21“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
 
See the opening post #1 of this thread.

That is it.

:2wave:

Apparently I was unclear. I read your first post; I consider it a set of assertions which has not been proven in the Biblical/theological sense, and invited you to expand on the issue in a deeper manner.

Yes, you quoted some scripture and used a few verses as support for your premise.... but using isolated verses to support a hypothesis is too easily misused and abused. The first rule of hermaneutics (interpretation) is "interpret Scripture with more Scripture". That is, look at what other related verses say about the same subject.

I cited three passages that I think contradict your assertion; you have not yet addressed them or explained why your assertion withstands my counterpoints.

For another instance, Jesus said 'Verily verily I say unto thee, except a man be born of water and of spirit, he shall not see the kingdom of God." (the "new birth" or "born again" passage)

This passage seems to indicate that not everyone is going to heaven. How do you counter this point?

If there is no hell of any kind and no one would go there anyway, why does Jesus speak of it and talk of a man going to hell? (Lazarus and the rich man).

To prove that your interpretation of Scripture is correct, you must prove it with Scripture. If your hypothesis is solid, you should be able to refute these points using other scriptural references.

Can you?
 
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The Bible does appear to have many contradictions and so we do have to put the scripture text together to get a correct interpretation.

There is no place of Hell and every person throughout all of humanity do get saved in the end.

That works for me.

The bible, as we know it, may or may not have contradicitions. I don't think so, but this would be largely because of the "loss through translation" from one language to another to another. If you wanted to have the closest true reading of the Holy Bible, you'd have to learn Hebrew.
 
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The Bible does appear to have many contradictions and so we do have to put the scripture text together to get a correct interpretation.

There is no place of Hell and every person throughout all of humanity do get saved in the end.

That works for me.

Religion isn't about what works for you.
 
See the opening post #1 of this thread.

That is it.

:2wave:



Having a Satan and Demons and sins are totally different subjects then having no Hell.

In the Bible the Apostle Paul declares that Satan helps God in saving the people, see linked here = 1 Corinthians 5:5.

And "sin" means "falling short" which only applies to those shooting at the target.

There is no "why" as in "why believe in God" because it does not matter if one wants to believe or not since the God thing exist whether we like it or not.

Why believe in black holes? because it is there, and why believe in God? because it is there.

You can't have a satan and demons without a hell, the bible specifically says that Satan was cast to hell.
 
In this world we have violence, lies, cruelties, injustice, ignorance, addictions, and stuff like those which we still do need to be saved from.

We do not need to worry about after death since God and Jesus has already taken care of that with the universal salvation for all of humanity, but here and now we have the bigger struggles going onward.

But all that stuff is temporary if heaven is free admittance to everyone. What's several decades on earth compared to infinity in heaven? To me religion has served a purpose of codifying societal norms and morals and using the concept of gods to enforce them. There is a punishment, so you have to act well on this planet. It had the effect of trying to keep everyone acting in some "civil" manner on earth. But if heaven is free for all, then there is no requirement that while on this planet we have to behave. We can do whatever we want and it's not a problem since we're all going to heaven anyway. No need to worship or be kind to your neighbor or not throw rocks at government officials since...whatever. You still have infinity in heaven waiting you.

I don't know. I can see the ideal that Christ would perhaps not want to send everyone to hell, particularly after having died for our sins. But then it seems to really remove the major punch that religion has had and the tool by which it was used to enforce societal norms.
 
The Bible does not really teach of any burning HELL as the word in the Bible only means the grave or garbage dump where they use to throw dead bodies.

5) To "love" means no pain and no more hurting for anyone, as per: "And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." KJV. Revelation 21:4.

I clicked your link here - and it took me to the verse (4) which I expanded into the whole chapter and read:

7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

I guess you and God have a different interpretation of the phrase "lake which burneth with fire and brimstone"

- God just smited your post, sorry.

I guess you didn't read those lines, there.
 
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