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No Hell & everyone saved.

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I am sorry, but the message in the OP is either incorrect or deceitful, to me.

There have been far too many quotes in the Bible directly pertaining to Hell.

It is as ludicrous as saying there was no God in the Bible.
 
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I still firmly believe that hell is a self-created notion and it's based on ones own self-imposed separation from God. It's why the Bible talks about false prophets and middle men (hint hint the Church and all of its sects) that we should avoid, and just go directly to the source. You don't need anyone else to connect you to God - the connection is there right now.

As long as you live in fear of what other people have to say about consequences of belief, then you are letting yourself be duped by the human world and all its egotistical notions. Something as omnipotent and omniscient as God does not expect humans in their limited faculties to be perfect. All that matters is that your heart and intentions are in line with love. It's that simple. Being Christian does not mean you will be saved. You must LOVE in order to feel the connection, or you are wasting your opportunity here on Earth.

There are many false prophets who pretend they are channels of God in order to try and convince you to give up your power and your intention to them, and they are the "evil doers" the Bible talks about. But it talks about them in an extreme fashion. It's all allegory, intended to make you stay away from the middle men. In order to channel the Divine you must already be on that frequency, and if you're on that frequency already, then no convincing is necessary.

I would rather just deal with God directly than all of the pomp and politics that humans have invented about it. But to many Christians, that would make me an idolater. That's what brainwashing does I guess. Christianity has been so contorted by the human world that many Christians can no longer recognize God from man. If you focus on the Love that it's in the Bible, that will tell you all you need to know. No need to focus on the negative, the consequences, or the punishment. You were given free will and this life is your creation to work with; if you choose Love and live by that, then you don't have to worry about anything else.
 
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This is exactly the mindset I was referring to in post #27 - the mentality that "you are wrong about your interpretation and/or translation of your bible and we are right"

I like what you said in Post #27 and I basically do agree with what you said there.

I like all religions and all beliefs including Atheist and non-believers and foreign religions as I like everything. Of course I take the right parts and reject the wrong parts from each and all.

The mindset you describe above is fine by me so long as we refrain from violent hostilities as you say in your post #27.

In answer to your question there then I say it truly is worth all the drama and troubles and that we truly do need to make those judgements because those are super important issues for us to discover a definitive and correct answer.

Your are correct not to participate in senseless arguing or against people with unreasonable opinions, but we must engage anyone else who is open to honest debate in search of our human and celestial truths.

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So what are we supposed to be discussing? Did you have a question in there or what?

There was no question there as I was just making an affirmative declaration - as I said = FYI.

People can discuss it in any way they want or chose as I was not trying to control the discussion here.

I see the title of there being "no hell" and that "everyone gets saved" are certainly sufficient fuel for various forms of proceeding into assorted discussions of that subject.

There is no reason for me to ask a question when I already have the answer.
 
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There was no question there as I was just making an affirmative declaration - as I said = FYI.

People can discuss it in any way they want or chose as I was not trying to control the discussion here.

I see the title of there being "no hell" and that "everyone gets saved" are certainly sufficient fuel for various forms of proceeding into assorted discussions of that subject.

There is no reason for me to ask a question when I already have the answer.

Why did you post a thread in a discussion forum if you didn't want to discuss anything?
 
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Why did you post a thread in a discussion forum if you didn't want to discuss anything?

I truly do not get your point since we do have six (6) pages of discussions, and I am ready to discuss this subject more.

People really do need to be honestly and directly informed that there is no such place as a "Hell" and that no person or no departed soul anywhere is being burned or tortured by some evil entity called as God.

And people do need to be rightly informed that the true living creature which is inaccurately called as "God" is in fact a loving Father to humanity who means no harm to any person and that God has prepared a great salvation for every person throughout all of humanity.

It truly is important for people to hear the truth that everybody does get saved and not even one sinner is left out.

Even the Devil and the Demon Angles and every living creature gets saved in the end because our great Father in Heaven is a God of love and of forgiveness and for reconciliation.

Why would we not discuss this?
 
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Why would we not discuss this?

The question is, why would we want to discuss it?

What is your point and purpose in bringing this to everyone's attention? What are we supposed to be debating here?
 
So what about all the murderers who got away with it? All the wife-slaughterers, children-drowners, depraved rapists and twisted doctors who were never brought to human-justice?

No justice even in the afterlife? That sort of just sucks a little - If I was religious then I'd like to think that Hitler's hurting for what he did.

justice is a purely human concept. i believe in a god, but not necessarily in what religions teach us.
 
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What is your point and purpose in bringing this to everyone's attention? What are we supposed to be debating here?

How about the glee that some people feel when proclaiming that others will suffer for all eternity for not belonging to their special club? Cuz I saw an unsettling amount of that glee in this thread. Why is it so abhorrent that there not be a special class of people who are karmically superior because of their faith? Why must there be a hell for your (and others here) faith to have meaning?

As for the arguments about the bible-ness of hell... Unless god created hell between Jesus' birth and 700ish AD, then it's probably not real. There's nothing in the old testament about it, and you'd think that would be an important detail to mention. It only makes it into the canonized new testament, which was only put together between 500 and 600 AD. The stories about hell were added during this time period. It wasn't part of any message from god between the beginning of time, and the canonization during that period. That suggests that it's not really part of god's message. Most of the important bits, like the ten commandments, the spiritual benefits of charity, the call to confess and repent one's sins (even Jews do this), and the importance of piety and prayer... these are consistent and reinforced over and over again in scripture. The hell stuff all comes about in a fairly contained time period, and has no long standing tradition within Abrahamic cultures. And top it off with the obvious inspirations from Greek and Norse myths that pretty much described every aspect of hell, even the name, long before Roman Christians were talking about it. Though they were talking about Hades and Tartarus, which are heretical, pagan blasphemies.

As this is the religion forum, I'm not suggesting that the whole bible is false, but isn't it possible that this one part could just be an embellishment?
 
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How about the glee that some people feel when proclaiming that others will suffer for all eternity for not belonging to their special club? Cuz I saw an unsettling amount of that glee in this thread. Why is it so abhorrent that there not be a special class of people who are karmically superior because of their faith? Why must there be a hell for your (and others here) faith to have meaning?

Personally, I think it sucks and I wouldn't want anyone to go to hell, but its not my decision.
 
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Personally, I think it sucks and I wouldn't want anyone to go to hell, but its not my decision.

I honestly do not see that as legitimate and I reject that claim.

It certainly is our decision to accept or endorse such a concept, and if we believe that it is true then we have a duty to fight against it.

We do have our own personal decisions to make in this regard, and no one is truly powerless.

I myself do declare my own decision that I will fight against any God that would do such an inhuman thing and I will defy that monster of a God.

Consider if we lived in a fine nice Hotel, and down in the Hotel basement there are people in chains being tormented and given only enough sustenance to keep them alive while in misery. So we are living upstairs in luxury while others live underneath in pain. For me I would attack that Hotel manager and I would defy that Hotel owner, and if I did loose that fight then I would go down to the basement with my fellow human beings and I would join those in Hell rather than accept the comforts of some evil God.

The truth is that the Bible does not declare any such place of "Hell" other than the common grave with dead bodies in it, and the God of the Bible does NOT willfully hurt people because the true God of the Bible is a loving and caring Father of His human children, so for those who claim that their God is violently torturing the departed souls in a "hell" then I here and now do declare my own decision that I defy that God, and I declare that monster of a God is not real.
 
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How about the glee that some people feel when proclaiming that others will suffer for all eternity for not belonging to their special club? Cuz I saw an unsettling amount of that glee in this thread. Why is it so abhorrent that there not be a special class of people who are karmically superior because of their faith? Why must there be a hell for your (and others here) faith to have meaning?

As for the arguments about the bible-ness of hell... Unless god created hell between Jesus' birth and 700ish AD, then it's probably not real. There's nothing in the old testament about it, and you'd think that would be an important detail to mention. It only makes it into the canonized new testament, which was only put together between 500 and 600 AD. The stories about hell were added during this time period. It wasn't part of any message from god between the beginning of time, and the canonization during that period. That suggests that it's not really part of god's message. Most of the important bits, like the ten commandments, the spiritual benefits of charity, the call to confess and repent one's sins (even Jews do this), and the importance of piety and prayer... these are consistent and reinforced over and over again in scripture. The hell stuff all comes about in a fairly contained time period, and has no long standing tradition within Abrahamic cultures. And top it off with the obvious inspirations from Greek and Norse myths that pretty much described every aspect of hell, even the name, long before Roman Christians were talking about it. Though they were talking about Hades and Tartarus, which are heretical, pagan blasphemies.

As this is the religion forum, I'm not suggesting that the whole bible is false, but isn't it possible that this one part could just be an embellishment?

Now THAT sounds like an OP! You have a position on the issue and are asking questions which spur discussion. Outstanding job!
 
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This thread is going to be derailed. It's a slap in the face to Christians.
 
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This thread is going to be derailed. It's a slap in the face to Christians.

It does appear that some posters might want to derail this thread.

It seems to me that Christians are to "turn their other cheek" so we need not worry about any true Christian doing any such derailing.
 
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This thread is going to be derailed. It's a slap in the face to Christians.

Nonsense. Universal Salvation has been an undercurrent of Christian theology since Origen. It is an ancient and respectable Christian belief.
 
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The OP is completely, totally and wholly un-biblical.
You should elaborate on why you think so, and offer what you think is correct.
 
i believe heaven is the devil's realization that god is right and love is the way once that happens "boom" there is a heaven and EVERYONE is invited. personally i don't want to go to a place where some are segregated out as a description of "the best place ever".
 
The Bible does not really teach of any burning HELL as the word in the Bible only means the grave or garbage dump where they use to throw dead bodies.

Many religions beside Christianity has taught people this wrong barbaric idea as their religious doctrine, but it is not real.

1) Any God that burns people for any reason is not only a monster but a criminal and a sinner and an evil entity.

2) Burning people is not "mercy" as it is rather the opposite of mercy.

3) Burning people is not "kind" as it is rather the opposite of kindness.

4) Putting any person into a Hell, link, is not justice and it can not be.

5) To "love" means no pain and no more hurting for anyone, as per: "And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." KJV. Revelation 21:4.

God is love, link here = 1 John 4:8, and God does not hurt people, and that means no one ever goes to any hell.

Everyone is a sinner at various degrees and depth, and there is no one as righteous.

Nobody goes to some fire and torment of any hell, and the saying of "Hell on earth" in this lifetime now is far more accurate.

In the end everyone gets saved and not even one sinner nor one evil sheep gets lost or left out because salvation is for all of mankind.

Jesus said "Love thy enemies" just as God loves His enemies, Matthew 5:43-48, so love does not burn people and love does not hurt people, and that means not even those that are sinners and enemies.

The plan is to have a great salvation, and it would not be great if some people were excluded.

Just FYI.

"And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire"
 
"And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire"
That is a legitimate rebuttal and I appreciate that.

The thing is that passage has been misunderstood and it is easy to correct using the Bible as the interpreter.

What is the lake of fire?

The Bible tells us that waters are a representation of people - see link here Revelations 17:16

QUOTE: Rev 17:15 "The waters which thou sawest, ... are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues." KJV.

So too a "lake" as in "lake of fire" is a small body of people.

And what is the "fire" as a symbol?

The Bible tells us that God's ministers are a flame of fire - see link here Hebrews 1:7

QUOTE: Heb 1:7 "... and his ministers a flame of fire."

So people (castaways not written in book) will be cast into a group of ministers and that is so those Ministers can bring the sinner(s) into repentance.

Thereby the "lake of fire" is NOT a burning Hell.

The very purpose of Christ on the cross was to pay the punishment in full for everyone and thereby not even one (1) sinner or even the worst sinner would be left out as every person throughout all of humanity are to be saved in the end.

No person has to believe anything or accept anything or do anything as the complete salvation has already been set in motion as every person gets saved.

The problem is that people are lost and suffering in this world now, but the next world is not our problem.
 
That is a legitimate rebuttal and I appreciate that.

The thing is that passage has been misunderstood and it is easy to correct using the Bible as the interpreter.

What is the lake of fire?

The Bible tells us that waters are a representation of people - see link here Revelations 17:16

QUOTE: Rev 17:15 "The waters which thou sawest, ... are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues." KJV.

So too a "lake" as in "lake of fire" is a small body of people.

And what is the "fire" as a symbol?

The Bible tells us that God's ministers are a flame of fire - see link here Hebrews 1:7

QUOTE: Heb 1:7 "... and his ministers a flame of fire."

So people (castaways not written in book) will be cast into a group of ministers and that is so those Ministers can bring the sinner(s) into repentance.

Thereby the "lake of fire" is NOT a burning Hell.

The very purpose of Christ on the cross was to pay the punishment in full for everyone and thereby not even one (1) sinner or even the worst sinner would be left out as every person throughout all of humanity are to be saved in the end.

No person has to believe anything or accept anything or do anything as the complete salvation has already been set in motion as every person gets saved.

The problem is that people are lost and suffering in this world now, but the next world is not our problem.

And how do you explain Revelation 20:10?
 
The Bible does not really teach of any burning HELL as the word in the Bible only means the grave or garbage dump where they use to throw dead bodies.

Many religions beside Christianity has taught people this wrong barbaric idea as their religious doctrine, but it is not real.

1) Any God that burns people for any reason is not only a monster but a criminal and a sinner and an evil entity.

2) Burning people is not "mercy" as it is rather the opposite of mercy.

3) Burning people is not "kind" as it is rather the opposite of kindness.

4) Putting any person into a Hell, link, is not justice and it can not be.

5) To "love" means no pain and no more hurting for anyone, as per: "And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." KJV. Revelation 21:4.

God is love, link here = 1 John 4:8, and God does not hurt people, and that means no one ever goes to any hell.

Everyone is a sinner at various degrees and depth, and there is no one as righteous.

Nobody goes to some fire and torment of any hell, and the saying of "Hell on earth" in this lifetime now is far more accurate.

In the end everyone gets saved and not even one sinner nor one evil sheep gets lost or left out because salvation is for all of mankind.

Jesus said "Love thy enemies" just as God loves His enemies, Matthew 5:43-48, so love does not burn people and love does not hurt people, and that means not even those that are sinners and enemies.

The plan is to have a great salvation, and it would not be great if some people were excluded.

Just FYI.

that's a nice version of god
 
That is a legitimate rebuttal and I appreciate that.

The thing is that passage has been misunderstood and it is easy to correct using the Bible as the interpreter.

What is the lake of fire?

The Bible tells us that waters are a representation of people - see link here Revelations 17:16

QUOTE: Rev 17:15 "The waters which thou sawest, ... are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues." KJV.

So too a "lake" as in "lake of fire" is a small body of people.

And what is the "fire" as a symbol?

The Bible tells us that God's ministers are a flame of fire - see link here Hebrews 1:7

QUOTE: Heb 1:7 "... and his ministers a flame of fire."

So people (castaways not written in book) will be cast into a group of ministers and that is so those Ministers can bring the sinner(s) into repentance.

Thereby the "lake of fire" is NOT a burning Hell.

The very purpose of Christ on the cross was to pay the punishment in full for everyone and thereby not even one (1) sinner or even the worst sinner would be left out as every person throughout all of humanity are to be saved in the end.

No person has to believe anything or accept anything or do anything as the complete salvation has already been set in motion as every person gets saved.

The problem is that people are lost and suffering in this world now, but the next world is not our problem.


You believe that?--Jesus teaches--Matt 7:21-23-- Jesus also teaches Few will find the entrance to the narrow gate. Many are on the broad and spacious path that leads to destruction( lake of fire)-- not eternal suffering.
 
The Bible does not really teach of any burning HELL as the word in the Bible only means the grave or garbage dump where they use to throw dead bodies.

Many religions beside Christianity has taught people this wrong barbaric idea as their religious doctrine, but it is not real.

1) Any God that burns people for any reason is not only a monster but a criminal and a sinner and an evil entity.

2) Burning people is not "mercy" as it is rather the opposite of mercy.

3) Burning people is not "kind" as it is rather the opposite of kindness.

4) Putting any person into a Hell, link, is not justice and it can not be.

5) To "love" means no pain and no more hurting for anyone, as per: "And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." KJV. Revelation 21:4.

God is love, link here = 1 John 4:8, and God does not hurt people, and that means no one ever goes to any hell.

Everyone is a sinner at various degrees and depth, and there is no one as righteous.

Nobody goes to some fire and torment of any hell, and the saying of "Hell on earth" in this lifetime now is far more accurate.

In the end everyone gets saved and not even one sinner nor one evil sheep gets lost or left out because salvation is for all of mankind.

Jesus said "Love thy enemies" just as God loves His enemies, Matthew 5:43-48, so love does not burn people and love does not hurt people, and that means not even those that are sinners and enemies.

The plan is to have a great salvation, and it would not be great if some people were excluded.

Just FYI.

Honestly i have no idea where people come up with this stuff from. I honestly don't.

1. God does not burn people he punishes sin. For the wages of sin is death. Not only a physical death but a spiritual death. Death is a separation of 2 things. a physical death is the separation of spirit and body. Sinners will be permantly removed from God's presense. I have a feeling they will be able to see into heaven but not be able to get there. The lake of fire is reserved for the devil and his demons and they will be permantly destroyed.

2. God showed mercy by sending his only Son to die on a cross for your sins. you not accepting that gift is God's fault or yours?
3. It isn't people that is punished it is sin. There is a punishment for sin and in the end God will wipe sin off the face of the universe.
4. Yes it is. God gave a pardon an escape. not accepting it means that you accept the punishment instead.
5. If you read the preceeding verses you will understand that he is talking about the people that are with him.
3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Behold, the dwelling place[a] of God is with man. He will dwell with them, and they will be his people, and God himself will be with them as their God.[c] 4 He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away.”

Yes God is love, but God is also just and His justice is absolute. he will not allow sin to enter the new heaven and new earth. It will be wiped from the universe.

yep Jesus did say love your enemies and God did love his enemies by providing His Son to free them from a punishment just deserved. you are leaving out that God is a Just God as well. He is not just love.

Your right salavation is for all man kind but not all mankind will accept that salvation. John 3:16 pretty much backs this up.

God doesn't exclude anyone it is people that exclude themselves.

13 “Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy[a] that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. 14 For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.


The bible is specificaly clear no all people will enter heaven. there is nothing scripturally that backs this up.
 
The Bible does not really teach of any burning HELL as the word in the Bible only means the grave or garbage dump where they use to throw dead bodies.

Many religions beside Christianity has taught people this wrong barbaric idea as their religious doctrine, but it is not real.

1) Any God that burns people for any reason is not only a monster but a criminal and a sinner and an evil entity.

2) Burning people is not "mercy" as it is rather the opposite of mercy.

3) Burning people is not "kind" as it is rather the opposite of kindness.

4) Putting any person into a Hell, link, is not justice and it can not be.

5) To "love" means no pain and no more hurting for anyone, as per: "And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." KJV. Revelation 21:4.

God is love, link here = 1 John 4:8, and God does not hurt people, and that means no one ever goes to any hell.

Everyone is a sinner at various degrees and depth, and there is no one as righteous.

Nobody goes to some fire and torment of any hell, and the saying of "Hell on earth" in this lifetime now is far more accurate.

In the end everyone gets saved and not even one sinner nor one evil sheep gets lost or left out because salvation is for all of mankind.

Jesus said "Love thy enemies" just as God loves His enemies, Matthew 5:43-48, so love does not burn people and love does not hurt people, and that means not even those that are sinners and enemies.

The plan is to have a great salvation, and it would not be great if some people were excluded.

Just FYI.


If that's the case, what were all those warnings about damnation and barred from entry into the kingdom of God - all those stern repeated warnings that came from Jesus Christ?

What you stated was simply your own desired interpretation of the Gospel. Perhaps your perspective is somewhat swayed by the "all-inclusivity" worldly views?

Just think for a second: You're right about God being a loving God, and that He wanted for everyone to be saved. However, He also warned us about damnation.

Your interpretation conflicts with the Bible, and that includes the teachings of Christ. Your interpretation suggest that Christ was simply bluffing.


That we've been repeatedly warned in the Bible should be clear enough that there is indeed a place for those who are saved, and a place for those who aren't. What we don't exactly know is the details. Some say the unsaved would simply die - become non-existent. Others believe that they'll burn in hell.
Whatever or however it will all be, is not so important - what matters is that we be prepared that we may be among those who'll be in the Kingdom of God.
 
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So this means I go to heaven no matter what I do? Woohoo! :party
 
And how do you explain Revelation 20:10?
Rev 20:10 declares this: "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."

So it is saying the Devil and the beast and the false prophet (singular) but it does not say that people will be there.

And in that case the word "torment" does not mean to torture, as in burning a being in fires for all eternity - certainly NOT.

When anyone discovers that we are sinners our self then that is the most severe torment of them all, and that kind of torment produces repentance.

The Devil and beast and prophet will be "saved" from death but they will not find their own repentance and that is where there will be their torment.

See here 1 Corinthians 3:15 = "If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire."

The "fire" cleans and purifies while the person is "saved".


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that's a nice version of god
It is a nice version, but I see it more as a loving version of God.

The God who loves and cares and forgives and who saves all of His children.


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You believe that?--Jesus teaches--Matt 7:21-23-- Jesus also teaches Few will find the entrance to the narrow gate. Many are on the broad and spacious path that leads to destruction( lake of fire)-- not eternal suffering.
That is an excellent point, but Christians are applying it inaccurately.

Jesus talks both about this world and this lifetime and also secondly about the future Kingdom of God.

As such in this world and in this lifetime then Jesus is telling it accurately that very few will find the way or the truth, and as such many in this world will be lost and suffer and will both live and die in vain, but later after the resurrection then every person will then see and learn the truth and THEN every person will be saved - "Every knee shall bow ... and every person shall confess" Philippians 2:10-11, and this too - 2 Peter 3:9 It is God's will that all people come to repentance.

Since God wants repentance and salvation from every person then God gets what God wants because God's will always gets done.

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For the wages of sin is death. Not only a physical death but a spiritual death. Death is a separation of 2 things. a physical death is the separation of spirit and body. Sinners will be permanently removed from God's presence.
The Bible - the Apostle Paul explains that much differently.

The "death" means "dead to sin" so yes it is a spiritual death which leads to salvation - see here Romans 6:2-10 "DEAD TO SIN".

Plus no one can ever be removed from the presence of God - that can not be done.

Your right salavation is for all man kind but not all mankind will accept that salvation. John 3:16 pretty much backs this up.

God doesn't exclude anyone it is people that exclude themselves.
That is because you are mixing up two (2) different things which are not to be mixed up.

People do exclude their self now and today in this lifetime and so they are lost here and now, but on the Judgement Day then everyone will THEN know and see the truth and every person will get saved on that Judgement Day.

The famous John 3:16 is accurate but it has two (2) applications.

Some few people will believe and will know in this world and in this lifetime, while most people will only believe in the next lifetime and their later belief will still be governed under John 3:16 as there is no time limit on the promises of God. They believe on Judgement Day then that counts and they all gets saved as per John 3:16.

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If that's the case, what were all those warnings about damnation and barred from entry into the kingdom of God - all those stern repeated warnings that came from Jesus Christ?
The warnings of damnation and of pain and suffering and death are all applying to this lifetime here and now, and those warnings are all true.

In this world and in this lifetime there will be suffering and misery - but in the next life that will come to an end.

God is NOT going to resurrect people so they can be punished - no, the resurrection and Judgement Day are all a part of the gigantic salvation of all the sons and daughters of God / all of humanity gets saved.
 
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