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Dark Matter is Invisible, does not emit Energy or Light and it's about 80% of the Universe's mass.

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Dark Matter is an interesting thing. It can't be seen and can't be quantified except that it must be there. It acts on things we can see. If it's not there, everything would be different.

Stars orbiting the centers of Galaxies are moving fast enough that they'd be thrown free if there was not a great deal more mass "holding them in" than can be measured in our "physical" universe.

There has to be more mass present, but it is undetectable to us. We cannot see it, cannot feel it, cannot taste it, smell it or hear it. We can only measure its effect on things we can see.

Without jumping to unjustified conclusions, this seems to conform to descriptions of spiritual or mystical events/objects/beings.

Our Physical Universe is just a small fraction of the whole. Dark matter seems to flow through the universe invisibly, but, well, universally. If you are reading this, Dark Matter is currently between you and the screen on which the words appear.

Especially at this time of year when the spiritual and mystical is contemplated, it seems appropriate to understand that most of our reality has been revealed scientifically to be beyond our rational comprehension. Whether you're a devotee of religion or Star Wars, it seems Hamlet was right: "There are more things in Heaven and Earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

It seems reasonable to assume that if Dark Matter can redirect the course of Stars, it's pretty powerful stuff.

Is massively augmented gravity Dark Matter's only purpose? Seems like there are lots of questions just now being considered.

What Is Dark Matter? | Research
 
Dark Matter is an interesting thing. It can't be seen and can't be quantified except that it must be there. It acts on things we can see. If it's not there, everything would be different.

Stars orbiting the centers of Galaxies are moving fast enough that they'd be thrown free if there was not a great deal more mass "holding them in" than can be measured in our "physical" universe.

There has to be more mass present, but it is undetectable to us. We cannot see it, cannot feel it, cannot taste it, smell it or hear it. We can only measure its effect on things we can see.

Without jumping to unjustified conclusions, this seems to conform to descriptions of spiritual or mystical events/objects/beings.

Our Physical Universe is just a small fraction of the whole. Dark matter seems to flow through the universe invisibly, but, well, universally. If you are reading this, Dark Matter is currently between you and the screen on which the words appear.

Especially at this time of year when the spiritual and mystical is contemplated, it seems appropriate to understand that most of our reality has been revealed scientifically to be beyond our rational comprehension. Whether you're a devotee of religion or Star Wars, it seems Hamlet was right: "There are more things in Heaven and Earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

It seems reasonable to assume that if Dark Matter can redirect the course of Stars, it's pretty powerful stuff.

Is massively augmented gravity Dark Matter's only purpose? Seems like there are lots of questions just now being considered.

What Is Dark Matter? | Research

Dark matter therefore god? How does that work?
 
Dark Matter is an interesting thing. It can't be seen and can't be quantified except that it must be there. It acts on things we can see. If it's not there, everything would be different.

Stars orbiting the centers of Galaxies are moving fast enough that they'd be thrown free if there was not a great deal more mass "holding them in" than can be measured in our "physical" universe.

There has to be more mass present, but it is undetectable to us. We cannot see it, cannot feel it, cannot taste it, smell it or hear it. We can only measure its effect on things we can see.

Without jumping to unjustified conclusions, this seems to conform to descriptions of spiritual or mystical events/objects/beings.

Our Physical Universe is just a small fraction of the whole. Dark matter seems to flow through the universe invisibly, but, well, universally. If you are reading this, Dark Matter is currently between you and the screen on which the words appear.

Especially at this time of year when the spiritual and mystical is contemplated, it seems appropriate to understand that most of our reality has been revealed scientifically to be beyond our rational comprehension. Whether you're a devotee of religion or Star Wars, it seems Hamlet was right: "There are more things in Heaven and Earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

It seems reasonable to assume that if Dark Matter can redirect the course of Stars, it's pretty powerful stuff.

Is massively augmented gravity Dark Matter's only purpose? Seems like there are lots of questions just now being considered.

What Is Dark Matter? | Research

One physicist described dark matter as a fudge factor introduced to balance equations. What it means is that the equations may not be a good representation of what is going on, but so far they haven't been able to come up with anything better.

Don't hang your hat on the existence of dark matter. Cosmology is ripe for a paradigm shift.
 
When X-rays were discovered there was a lot of spiritual hoo ha from the likes of spiritualists and Theosophists. There is nothing spiritual about radiation and if dark matter exists it will be merely another form of matter.
 
Dark matter therefore god? How does that work?

All of it is beyond me.

Neil deGrasse Tyson has some thoughts on it:

"Could we be seeing the effects of forces from another dimension?

Are we feeling the ordinary gravity of ordinary matter crossing the membrane of a phantom universe adjacent to ours?

If so, this could be just one of an in nite assortment of uni- verses that comprise the multiverse.

Sounds exotic and unbelievable."

https://www.popsci.com/why-dark-matter-matters#page-2

In other words, he's got no clue.

If it's an us-them proposition, there's more of them than us.
 
Dark Matter is an interesting thing. It can't be seen and can't be quantified except that it must be there. It acts on things we can see. If it's not there, everything would be different.

Stars orbiting the centers of Galaxies are moving fast enough that they'd be thrown free if there was not a great deal more mass "holding them in" than can be measured in our "physical" universe.

There has to be more mass present, but it is undetectable to us. We cannot see it, cannot feel it, cannot taste it, smell it or hear it. We can only measure its effect on things we can see.

Without jumping to unjustified conclusions, this seems to conform to descriptions of spiritual or mystical events/objects/beings.

Our Physical Universe is just a small fraction of the whole. Dark matter seems to flow through the universe invisibly, but, well, universally. If you are reading this, Dark Matter is currently between you and the screen on which the words appear.

Especially at this time of year when the spiritual and mystical is contemplated, it seems appropriate to understand that most of our reality has been revealed scientifically to be beyond our rational comprehension. Whether you're a devotee of religion or Star Wars, it seems Hamlet was right: "There are more things in Heaven and Earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

It seems reasonable to assume that if Dark Matter can redirect the course of Stars, it's pretty powerful stuff.

Is massively augmented gravity Dark Matter's only purpose? Seems like there are lots of questions just now being considered.

What Is Dark Matter? | Research

Oh my!!!

There are things in the universe that we don't understand so God!!!!! Believe any old drivel or go mad thinking that we don't understand the univers!!

Or calm down and say, yeah, I don't understand it all. Neither does anybody else. So I will live as best I can and make judgements based on evidence.
 
One physicist described dark matter as a fudge factor introduced to balance equations. What it means is that the equations may not be a good representation of what is going on, but so far they haven't been able to come up with anything better.

Don't hang your hat on the existence of dark matter. Cosmology is ripe for a paradigm shift.

I watched a show on TV and they said that the mass of Dark Matter might be as much as 80% of the mass of the Universe.

That's a lot of fudge.
 
When X-rays were discovered there was a lot of spiritual hoo ha from the likes of spiritualists and Theosophists. There is nothing spiritual about radiation and if dark matter exists it will be merely another form of matter.

That's what makes it so interesting. It cannot be experienced by our senses.

In terms of what I understand to be matter, it's not existent. However, it does have mass and does act on matter.
 
Oh my!!!

There are things in the universe that we don't understand so God!!!!! Believe any old drivel or go mad thinking that we don't understand the univers!!

Or calm down and say, yeah, I don't understand it all. Neither does anybody else. So I will live as best I can and make judgements based on evidence.

And the evidence suggest that the folks we depend on for answers are telling us that the stuff exists, but that it is extrasensory.
 
Dark matter therefore god? How does that work?

The same way that any other "X therefore God" claim works. Any value may be used for X and the equation (magically?) balances thus proving the theory.
 
The same way that any other "X therefore God" claim works. Any value may be used for X and the equation (magically?) balances thus proving the theory.

A discussion about dark matter belongs in the science forum.
 
A discussion about dark matter belongs in the science forum.

Not if you wish to use (each and every?) "science has no definite answer for" therefore God. Bible therefore God. Bible part two therefore Jesus was son of God.
 
Same old “God of the gaps” argument. There is a gap in our knowledge, therefore...god.

It’s getting old.
 
Dark Matter is an interesting thing. It can't be seen and can't be quantified except that it must be there. It acts on things we can see. If it's not there, everything would be different.

Stars orbiting the centers of Galaxies are moving fast enough that they'd be thrown free if there was not a great deal more mass "holding them in" than can be measured in our "physical" universe.

There has to be more mass present, but it is undetectable to us. We cannot see it, cannot feel it, cannot taste it, smell it or hear it. We can only measure its effect on things we can see.

Without jumping to unjustified conclusions, this seems to conform to descriptions of spiritual or mystical events/objects/beings.

Our Physical Universe is just a small fraction of the whole. Dark matter seems to flow through the universe invisibly, but, well, universally. If you are reading this, Dark Matter is currently between you and the screen on which the words appear.

Especially at this time of year when the spiritual and mystical is contemplated, it seems appropriate to understand that most of our reality has been revealed scientifically to be beyond our rational comprehension. Whether you're a devotee of religion or Star Wars, it seems Hamlet was right: "There are more things in Heaven and Earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

It seems reasonable to assume that if Dark Matter can redirect the course of Stars, it's pretty powerful stuff.

Is massively augmented gravity Dark Matter's only purpose? Seems like there are lots of questions just now being considered.

What Is Dark Matter? | Research

I'm having a little trouble finding a connection to religion here...
 
I watched a show on TV and they said that the mass of Dark Matter might be as much as 80% of the mass of the Universe.

That's a lot of fudge.

According to one theory. Use a different theory and the dark matter disappears. Poof!
 
A discussion about dark matter belongs in the science forum.

In the Bible "faith" is defined as "confidence in [the reality of] things unseen." Ergo dark matter.

So I guess you need to make a leap of faith to be a scientist. :2razz:
 
In the Bible "faith" is defined as "confidence in [the reality of] things unseen." Ergo dark matter.

So I guess you need to make a leap of faith to be a scientist. :2razz:

No.

There is obvious evidence for the existance of dark matter. Or at least some sort of mass associated with the galaxies but not exaclty distributed in the same way which has no other, at lest so far found, interatcion with normal matter as we know it.
 
No.

There is obvious evidence for the existance of dark matter. Or at least some sort of mass associated with the galaxies but not exaclty distributed in the same way which has no other, at lest so far found, interatcion with normal matter as we know it.

"Obvious" might be overstating it a bit. Assuming that gravity acts the same throughout the visible universe, that assumptions about intergalactic distances are correct, etc., then motions of visible mass make no sense without a big honking fudge factor we call "dark matter" to plug into the equations. Or perhaps we have no idea what's really going on. As a matter of fact, it's pretty obvious we have no idea what's really going on.
 
"Obvious" might be overstating it a bit. Assuming that gravity acts the same throughout the visible universe, that assumptions about intergalactic distances are correct, etc., then motions of visible mass make no sense without a big honking fudge factor we call "dark matter" to plug into the equations. Or perhaps we have no idea what's really going on. As a matter of fact, it's pretty obvious we have no idea what's really going on.

Obvious due to gravitational lensing. Not just the orbital velocity of the stars.
 
Without jumping to unjustified conclusions, this seems to conform to descriptions of spiritual or mystical events/objects/beings.

And how is that NOT jumping to a conclusion??
 
One physicist described dark matter as a fudge factor introduced to balance equations. What it means is that the equations may not be a good representation of what is going on, but so far they haven't been able to come up with anything better.

Don't hang your hat on the existence of dark matter. Cosmology is ripe for a paradigm shift.

You mean paradigm shift like Dark Matter out and Deus in?
 
And the evidence suggest that the folks we depend on for answers are telling us that the stuff exists, but that it is extrasensory.

How do you get from 'point a' to 'point b' with that reasoning? What is the model for that?
 
Oh my!!!

There are things in the universe that we don't understand so God!!!!! Believe any old drivel or go mad thinking that we don't understand the univers!!

Or calm down and say, yeah, I don't understand it all. Neither does anybody else. So I will live as best I can and make judgements based on evidence.

It certainly doesn't sound like the kind of matter that will clog the plumbing.
 
I am fascinated by the hypothesis that the gravitational effects could be “leaking” through from a higher deminsion. Some scientists posit that is the reason gravity seems so weak compared to the other three fundamental forces. But given we are 3 dimensional beings I am not sure how we could ever confirm such a hypothesis. All we can do is say it is plausible based on the math.
 
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