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Dark Matter is Invisible, does not emit Energy or Light and it's about 80% of the Universe's mass.

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zyzygy said:
A god?
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According to the stories, mystical beings seem to manifest in how they affect things we can understand. In that way, mystical beings and Dark Matter are parallel.

Even if there is no Dark Matter, then the thing that provides the added mass is still there.

I think you're only proposing a name change.
 
Dark matter is a hypothetical explanation designed to make a gravity-based galactic and universal astrophysical mechanism work where our limited scientific observations are unable to buttress the theory of how heavenly bodies operate at very large levels. The visible universe is missing enough mass to make our mathematical models work properly and so we faced a choice. Either abandon the old models and go back to the drawing board or adjust the theories of galactic and universal motion by introducing enough ersatz-mass to make the present-day model work. Now we estimate that that only 5-7% of the matter in the universe is normal matter which we can detect and that the rest is exotic and invisible matter which is un-observable and which behaves very differently from the normal matter we are familiar with (Dark Matter). But is it large amounts of normal matter hidden from us by cosmological sleight-of-hand or is it a new type(s) of matter which behaves in unique manners and is by its nature invisible to our attempts to sense and observe it? Is it Machos (Massive Astro-phyhisical Compact Halo Objects) or Wimps (Weakly Interacting Massive Particles) or something else we are unable to describe at this moment in scientific history? In time this may be proved to be a valid hypothesis or it may be found to be like Aristotle's Crystal Spheres - a human construction which was necessary to explain an otherwise unworkable model of the universe.

It all boils down to Gravity and the role(s) it plays in holding the universe together. Is gravity a distinct and discrete force as we picture it is today or is it just one facet of a much larger operator at work in the universe? New ideas are beginning to bubble to the surface of serious scientific inquiry like marrying the electro-magnetic force and the gravitational force together in new ways. New explanations for how neutron stars might form and operate are hinting at an electro-magnetic role for cosmic integrity which may be separate or somehow intertwined with the traditional role which we have heretofore assigned to gravity alone. There are other intriguing hypotheses out there, just waiting to be more generally accepted and seriously investigated.

So in short Dark Matter may be an exotic and inscrutable form of matter out there in the universe, or it may be normal matter hidden from us by cosmic circumstances or it may only exist as a working theory in our minds. We don't know the answer yet and that's the cool thing about science. Ignorance and curiosity are driving us to explore, observe, analyse and explain. While we may screw up along the way, the search continues, forever! Greater enlightenment or extinction are our collective destiny and I think asking questions and finding plausible (albeit temporary answers) beats oblivion.

Cheers and Merry Christmas/Season's Greetings.
Evilroddy.
 
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code1211 said:
According to the stories, mystical beings seem to manifest in how they affect things we can understand. In that way, mystical beings and Dark Matter are parallel.
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I disagree.
 
Evilroddy said:
Dark matter is a hypothetical explanation designed to make a gravity-based galactic and universal astrophysical mechanism work where our limited scientific observations are unable to buttress the theory of how heavenly bodies operate at very large levels. The visible universe is missing enough mass to make our mathematical models work properly and so we faced a choice. Either abandon the old models and go back to the drawing board or adjust the theories of galactic and universal motion by introducing enough ersatz-mass to make the present-day model work. Now we estimate that that only 5-7% of the matter in the universe is normal matter which we can detect and that the rest is exotic and invisible matter which is un-observable and which behaves very differently from the normal matter we are familiar with (Dark Matter). But is it large amounts of normal matter hidden from us by cosmological sleight-of-hand or is it a new type(s) of matter which behaves in unique manners and is by its nature invisible to our attempts to sense and observe it? Is it Machos or Whimps? In time this may be proved to be a valid hypothesis or it may be found to be like Aristotle's Crystal Spheres - a human construction which was necessary to explain an otherwise unworkable model of the universe.

It all boils down to Gravity and the role(s) it plays in holding the universe together. Is gravity a distinct and discrete force as we picture it is today or is it just one facet of a much larger operator at work in the universe? New ideas are beginning to bubble to the surface of serious scientific inquiry like marrying the electro-magnetic force and the gravitational force together. New explanations of how neutron stars might form and operate are hinting at an electro-magnetic role for cosmic integrity which may be separate or intertwined with the traditional role which we have heretofore assigned to gravity alone. There are other intriguing hypotheses out there just waiting to be more generally accepted and seriously investigated.

So in short Dark Matter may be an exotic and inscrutable form of matter out there in the universe or it may only exist as a working theory in our minds. We don't know yet and that's the cool thing about science. Ignorance and curiosity are driving us to explore, observe, analyse and explain. While we may screw up along the way, the search continues!

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
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Well put. We don't need to bring in imaginary super beings.
 
zyzygy said:
Yes, something is affecting the dynamics of galaxies and dark matter has been suggested as the cause. Are you suggesting spirituality as the cause?
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I'm merely suggesting that there is more in Heaven and Earth than is dreamt of in our philosophy.
 
code1211 said:
I'm merely suggesting that there is more in Heaven and Earth than is dreamt of in our philosophy.
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Yes, there is much to be discovered. Religion will not be of assistance in our quest.
 
zyzygy said:
We make progress and gods are driven into smaller and smaller gaps.
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As understanding blooms, faith need not whither.

In truth, the more I understand about the world around me, the less I am constrained to definitive boundaries of understanding.

I think in science, they are always seeking the theory of everything. This might be one of the keys. Maybe not, too.

Either way, it's fun to have the possibilities to consider in wonder.
 
code1211 said:
That's what makes it so interesting. It cannot be experienced by our senses
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We can't see or feel it because its beyond our light spectrum. At this point in human evolution we just havent invented instruments delicate enough to detect them, but we probably will within the next 100 years:

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The universe by the way is made up of astral dimensions. when you die you move on to the next dimension, thats why people who've had NDE's often see a tunnel and a bright light. That bright light is simply the next astral dimension:

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zyzygy said:
Well put. We don't need to bring in imaginary super beings.
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Dark Matter may exist in a real sense.

God may exist in a real sense.

They might be one and the same.

Zyzygy may exist in a real sense or may be a construct in the mind of a guy dreaming he's typing at a computer.
 
code1211 said:
As understanding blooms, faith need not whither.

In truth, the more I understand about the world around me, the less I am constrained to definitive boundaries of understanding.

I think in science, they are always seeking the theory of everything. This might be one of the keys. Maybe not, too.

Either way, it's fun to have the possibilities to consider in wonder.
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You don't appear to know much about science, you were unaware of Röntgen and the discovery of X-rays.
 
zyzygy said:
You said that they did.
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Here is what I asked:

"At the time of the Spiritual hoo ha over x-rays, were people able to create x-rays? Measure them directly?"

As I understand it, man cannot crate Dark matter and cannot measure it directly.

What are you asserting?
 
code1211 said:
Dark Matter may exist in a real sense.

God may exist in a real sense.

They might be one and the same.

Zyzygy may exist in a real sense or may be a construct in the mind of a guy dreaming he's typing at a computer.
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So you attend a church because a god may exist? Hedging your bets?
 
code1211 said:
Here is what I asked:

"At the time of the Spiritual hoo ha over x-rays, were people able to create x-rays? Measure them directly?"

As I understand it, man cannot crate Dark matter and cannot measure it directly.

What are you asserting?
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I am not asserting, you are the one making assertions about physics and a possible connection with an imaginary being.
 
zyzygy said:
Yes, there is much to be discovered. Religion will not be of assistance in our quest.
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Stated as a true skeptic would state it.

It could be.

Do you see the difference in our respective positions.

I am saying it may or may not be. You are saying it definitely is not.
 
zyzygy said:
You tell me, I have always been an atheist.
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This is always a source of amusement for me.

People who describe themselves in terms of what they are not. This is interesting.
 
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