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Sign or X-mas Decoration????

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https://dmlnews.com/family-told-remove-offensive-jesus-christmas-display-video-pictures/

How the hell is anyone truly "offended" by this???? Truly pathetic.

Now, from the HOA point of view, is it a sign? Looks like a sign.
What makes a sign, a "sign"?

(Lets not even talk about that teeny tiny nativity scene that reminds me of the mini Stonehenge in Spinal Tap. :lamo)

The jesus? Sign or X-mas decoration?

(please don't turn this into the evils of HOA's discussion it might turn into)
 
https://dmlnews.com/family-told-remove-offensive-jesus-christmas-display-video-pictures/

How the hell is anyone truly "offended" by this???? Truly pathetic.

Now, from the HOA point of view, is it a sign? Looks like a sign.
What makes a sign, a "sign"?

(Lets not even talk about that teeny tiny nativity scene that reminds me of the mini Stonehenge in Spinal Tap. :lamo)

The jesus? Sign or X-mas decoration?

(please don't turn this into the evils of HOA's discussion it might turn into)

The simple fact is that the majority in a housing area decided to form an hoa. Those hoa have rules and this violated those rules. The same rules that said a guy couldn’t have an American flag on a pole in his front yard. The other simple fact is that the majority can dissolve said hoa but the majority have decided they don’t want to. Bottom line if you don’t like it, take it up with your legal reprention and take it as far as your pocket book or the ACLU will take it.
 
https://dmlnews.com/family-told-remove-offensive-jesus-christmas-display-video-pictures/

How the hell is anyone truly "offended" by this???? Truly pathetic.

Now, from the HOA point of view, is it a sign? Looks like a sign.
What makes a sign, a "sign"?

(Lets not even talk about that teeny tiny nativity scene that reminds me of the mini Stonehenge in Spinal Tap. :lamo)

The jesus? Sign or X-mas decoration?

(please don't turn this into the evils of HOA's discussion it might turn into)

Hoestly, if you live in an area with a homeowners association, you probably signed something saying you would respect certain rules. You are free to live somewhere elsr that doesn't have them.

While it was intended as a Christmas decoration, it is a placard of some kind with words printed on it. Besides the fact that it's an ugly abomination against good taste, it is no doubt a sign.
 
https://dmlnews.com/family-told-remove-offensive-jesus-christmas-display-video-pictures/

How the hell is anyone truly "offended" by this???? Truly pathetic.

Now, from the HOA point of view, is it a sign? Looks like a sign.
What makes a sign, a "sign"?

(Lets not even talk about that teeny tiny nativity scene that reminds me of the mini Stonehenge in Spinal Tap. :lamo)

The jesus? Sign or X-mas decoration?

(please don't turn this into the evils of HOA's discussion it might turn into)

I know you said don't turn it into an "evils of HOAs" but that's really what is at fault here. The family is going to keep the sign up -- and -- probably sometime in January, they're going to get a massive fine from the HOA. Legally, they'll have to pay it. HOAs have incredible backing in the law.

Here's the deal though, the sign is kind of tacky. I don't know the average home value in that HOA, but I'm very familiar with many local HOAs and anything that detracts from the look of the neighborhood is a no-no. A big plywood sign with "JESUS" in sparkly garland and lights strewn carelessly over it won't cut it in many HOAs. Be honest, that sign reeks of "trailer house" and I can see why neighbors thought it was out of line.

That said, I doubt religious signs are actually banned -- just gaudy homemade ones.
 
I'm guessing that HOA president Bud Vance is not going to have a very quiet Christmas this year...


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https://dmlnews.com/family-told-remove-offensive-jesus-christmas-display-video-pictures/

How the hell is anyone truly "offended" by this???? Truly pathetic.

Now, from the HOA point of view, is it a sign? Looks like a sign.
What makes a sign, a "sign"?

(Lets not even talk about that teeny tiny nativity scene that reminds me of the mini Stonehenge in Spinal Tap. :lamo)

The jesus? Sign or X-mas decoration?

(please don't turn this into the evils of HOA's discussion it might turn into)

The answer is it's a homeowners association, so everybody's yard has to look exactly alike: if they let one go, then it'll be a Kwanzaa extravaganza in someone else's yard, then of course there'll be the ten foot menorah...
 
https://dmlnews.com/family-told-remove-offensive-jesus-christmas-display-video-pictures/

How the hell is anyone truly "offended" by this???? Truly pathetic.

Now, from the HOA point of view, is it a sign? Looks like a sign.
What makes a sign, a "sign"?

(Lets not even talk about that teeny tiny nativity scene that reminds me of the mini Stonehenge in Spinal Tap. :lamo)

The jesus? Sign or X-mas decoration?

(please don't turn this into the evils of HOA's discussion it might turn into)

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Looks like a sign to me, but so what? Why would the HOA find a sign that says "Jesus" offensive any time, particularly at Christmas?

Maybe the homeowner's name is Jesus. Lots of people around here have that given name.
 
If you don't want to follow the HOA's rules, don't live where there's a HOA. I would never, ever, under any circumstances, live under a HOA. It was the #1 rule to my realtor when we were looking for a new house. No HOAs or other associations, period.
 
https://dmlnews.com/family-told-remove-offensive-jesus-christmas-display-video-pictures/

How the hell is anyone truly "offended" by this???? Truly pathetic.

Now, from the HOA point of view, is it a sign? Looks like a sign.
What makes a sign, a "sign"?

(Lets not even talk about that teeny tiny nativity scene that reminds me of the mini Stonehenge in Spinal Tap. :lamo)

The jesus? Sign or X-mas decoration?

(please don't turn this into the evils of HOA's discussion it might turn into)

If ya can't figger out that it is Jesus in the Manger, the name in lights ain't gonna help.
 
https://dmlnews.com/family-told-remove-offensive-jesus-christmas-display-video-pictures/

How the hell is anyone truly "offended" by this???? Truly pathetic.

Now, from the HOA point of view, is it a sign? Looks like a sign.
What makes a sign, a "sign"?

(Lets not even talk about that teeny tiny nativity scene that reminds me of the mini Stonehenge in Spinal Tap. :lamo)

The jesus? Sign or X-mas decoration?

(please don't turn this into the evils of HOA's discussion it might turn into)

It's both. It's a sign that is a christmas decoration. It's not permanent.
 
it's hard to buy a house these days without falling into the HOA trap. i would probably support banning mandatory HOAs as a part of the contract.
 
it's hard to buy a house these days without falling into the HOA trap. i would probably support banning mandatory HOAs as a part of the contract.

Are you forced to buy a house in an HOA? No, don’t like it don’t buy a house there.
 
It's interesting that when a display is "anti-religious" (a heavy metal t-shirt worn at a predominantly Christian public gathering, for example), the "progressive" response seems to be: "Look away, if you don't like it! They have rights!"

However, when the shoe is on the other foot, they cry: "Don't make me look at that offensive stuff! I have rights!"






"A wise man and a fool,
Who should serve, and who should rule?
Everything happens as it should,
So, take a look around and ask yourself:
Do I see nothing good?"
 
If there are hard and fast rules in that HOA forbidding any sort of sign whatsoever at any time of year, then the homeowner is violation and should have to remove what is clearly a sign even though it is part of the Christmas decor.

If the only thing that makes this particular sign/decoration illegal is that it says "Jesus" instead of "Merry Christmas" or "Happy Holidays" or whatever, then the homeowner should stand his/her ground.
 
https://dmlnews.com/family-told-remove-offensive-jesus-christmas-display-video-pictures/

How the hell is anyone truly "offended" by this???? Truly pathetic.

Now, from the HOA point of view, is it a sign? Looks like a sign.
What makes a sign, a "sign"?

(Lets not even talk about that teeny tiny nativity scene that reminds me of the mini Stonehenge in Spinal Tap. :lamo)

The jesus? Sign or X-mas decoration?

(please don't turn this into the evils of HOA's discussion it might turn into)

You want to know why this particular yard sign is "offensive" - which was not the HOA'a issue at all. Yet you do not want to discuss what is (or is not) evil (offensive?) HOA policy. So, in compliance with your rule - I say place a yard sign saying GEORGE on that property for several days around the president's holy day and see if the HOA also finds that yard sign to be "offensive".

EDIT: How about this for the definition of a sign "Noun - any object, action, event, pattern, etc., that conveys a meaning."?
 
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Signs are a big no no. Think election time for example.

As stated, if you don't like it, don't live where such rules exist.

If the HOA has a rule against signs, then that's definitely a sign. What I read was the sign "offended" someone. That's quit another issue.
 
If the HOA has a rule against signs, then that's definitely a sign. What I read was the sign "offended" someone. That's quit another issue.

That's pretty much the way I see it. It is a sign and if the HOA says no signs then no signs it is. At the same time it is beyond me why anyone would be offended by the particular sign. It wouldn't bother me if my neighbor displayed such a sign.
 
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Looks like a sign to me, but so what? Why would the HOA find a sign that says "Jesus" offensive any time, particularly at Christmas?

Maybe the homeowner's name is Jesus. Lots of people around here have that given name.

but what does the HOA do when the adjoining neighbor posts the same looking sign, only his reads "hitler"
 
it's hard to buy a house these days without falling into the HOA trap. i would probably support banning mandatory HOAs as a part of the contract.

HOAs are not mandatory
one must agree to join the HOA if they want to buy a property in the community overseen by HOA rules
it was a matter of choice for the property owner
 
Look.

Some fool got offended by it. They complained to the HOA.

The HOA isn't making the people take the sign down because it says "jesus", the sign has to come down because it's a sign.
Regardless of the word that's on it.

Just like if a person put a Trump/Clinton sign out during the previous election. No signs. Period.
Pretty plain and simple.

Just because it says "jesus" doesn't make it NOT a sign.
 
Yeah, against the HOA and tacky to boot...
 
If the HOA has a rule against signs, then that's definitely a sign. What I read was the sign "offended" someone. That's quit another issue.

According to the article I posted, yes, some tool was "offended" by it. We all know news can exaggerate right?

Could simply have been a neighbor called the HOA and reported that there was a sign. Who knows.

I find it impossible to believe anyone got "offended" by a tacky little jesus sign.
 
Are you forced to buy a house in an HOA? No, don’t like it don’t buy a house there.

if the HOA is such a good deal, why wouldn't people sign up for it voluntarily?
 
if the HOA is such a good deal, why wouldn't people sign up for it voluntarily?

You do realize a majority can disolve an HOA right? So they all DO sign up voluntarily for it.
 
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