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Sign or X-mas Decoration????

It's a sign and the HOA appears to stipulate "no signs".

One can find the stipulation as silly as I do but that's not really the point here.

If it read "Inchallah" or "Kung hei, fat choi" one wouldn't have to dabble in these interpretations at all of what is and what isn't.
 
It’s a sign with some decorations on it. I wonder if a sign that says “Merry Christmas” would be allowed.

HOAs suck and the neighbor who complained sucks.
 
Helix said:
if the HOA is such a good deal, why wouldn't people sign up for it voluntarily?
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they do
it is part of what they do when they close on a home purchase
 
justabubba said:
but what does the HOA do when the adjoining neighbor posts the same looking sign, only his reads "hitler"
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If they have a written "no signs " rule, then they take both signs down. If they don't, then the posters of signs still have freedom of speech. Anyway, who's going to post a sign that says "Hitler?" That would be pretty stupid.
 
Praxas said:
You do realize a majority can disolve an HOA right? So they all DO sign up voluntarily for it.
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not really. you can't buy the house without automatically joining the HOA. a voluntary HOA would mean that you sign up for it after purchase of the property.
 
justabubba said:
they do
it is part of what they do when they close on a home purchase
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no. you can't live close enough to work without joining a mandatory HOA in many cases. at least that's how it is where i live.
 
Dittohead not! said:
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Looks like a sign to me, but so what? Why would the HOA find a sign that says "Jesus" offensive any time, particularly at Christmas?

Maybe the homeowner's name is Jesus. Lots of people around here have that given name.
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It's the sign that's offensive, not the message.
 
Dragonfly said:
According to the article I posted, yes, some tool was "offended" by it. We all know news can exaggerate right?

Could simply have been a neighbor called the HOA and reported that there was a sign. Who knows.

I find it impossible to believe anyone got "offended" by a tacky little jesus sign.
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I find hard to believe too, some people need to feel persecuted.
 
Winchester said:
They do, all the time.
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i haven't found that to be the case. it's either sign up for the mandatory HOA, or you can choose to live twenty or thirty miles farther away from where you work. that isn't voluntary.
 
Dragonfly said:
https://dmlnews.com/family-told-remove-offensive-jesus-christmas-display-video-pictures/

How the hell is anyone truly "offended" by this???? Truly pathetic.

Now, from the HOA point of view, is it a sign? Looks like a sign.
What makes a sign, a "sign"?

(Lets not even talk about that teeny tiny nativity scene that reminds me of the mini Stonehenge in Spinal Tap. :lamo)

The jesus? Sign or X-mas decoration?

(please don't turn this into the evils of HOA's discussion it might turn into)
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Mistake 1: living somewhere where theres a HOA . . . to each thier own but IMO theres nothign more retarded than signing a contract and agreeing to let others determine how you live (yard lay out, mailbox type, what cars can be in your driveway etc etc etc). The day i buy proerty and build a house somewhere and OTHERS get to tell me what to do with based on feelings will be the day.

I dont know where HOAs are all at but thank god its never been a problem for me on the outskirts of pittsburgh. If they ever became wide spread in this area id fight against them tooth and nail because if they control to much property they should be illegal.

I know you said you didnt want it to be about the HOA but the problem is thats where the blame falls, there and the dummy that agreed to it.
 
Helix said:
not really. you can't buy the house without automatically joining the HOA. a voluntary HOA would mean that you sign up for it after purchase of the property.
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Sure you can. You just don't buy a house there. Nobody is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to buy a house under a HOA.
 
Helix said:
not really. you can't buy the house without automatically joining the HOA. a voluntary HOA would mean that you sign up for it after purchase of the property.
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The majority can dissolve it. So obviously the majority want it there. Don’t like it, then don’t buy a house there. Simple
As that. FYI I bought my house and there isn’t an hoa here. It can be done so stop whining about it.
 
Cephus said:
Sure you can. You just don't buy a house there. Nobody is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to buy a house under a HOA.
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when most houses within driving distance of where i work are covered by mandatory HOAs, yes, i'm forced to be a member of one. if it's such a great service, people would sign up voluntarily. the fact that you have to force people to sign up as a condition of purchase indicates that it's probably a bull**** scam in a lot of cases.

either way, it is what it is. i might get more involved with our HOA so that i can observe it from the inside. the dues at my new place are significant, so it would be pretty interesting to see where all of that money is really going.
 
I live in an HOA neighborhood. Love having it. It's not too restrictive, but it does keep some people in check.

It all depends on what each specific HOA says. Some are great. Some are over the top asinine.

Generally speaking, the concept is to NOT allow some a-hole to move in and start a rapid deterioration of the value of all the houses around him/her.
 
Praxas said:
The majority can dissolve it. So obviously the majority want it there. Don’t like it, then don’t buy a house there. Simple
As that. FYI I bought my house and there isn’t an hoa here. It can be done so stop whining about it.
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see above.
 
Dittohead not! said:
If they have a written "no signs " rule, then they take both signs down. If they don't, then the posters of signs still have freedom of speech. Anyway, who's going to post a sign that says "Hitler?" That would be pretty stupid.
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same thing i thought of when recognizing someone needed to post a sign saying 'Jesus'
someone is trying to make a point
 
Helix said:
not really. you can't buy the house without automatically joining the HOA. a voluntary HOA would mean that you sign up for it after purchase of the property.
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like the foundation and the electrical system, you bought the HOA when you chose to buy the home. they come as a package
it was a free choice

not unlike someone who seeks a job at a unionized company, but then resents being a member of the union's bargaining unit. free choice of a packaged deal
 
Helix said:
no. you can't live close enough to work without joining a mandatory HOA in many cases. at least that's how it is where i live.
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then you must choose not living close as your alternative to not being a member of a HOA
but it is still your choice
 
Helix said:
i haven't found that to be the case. it's either sign up for the mandatory HOA, or you can choose to live twenty or thirty miles farther away from where you work. that isn't voluntary.
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Yes it is. You chose where to live.

You want to live in a neighborhood in the suburbs, you might have to join an HOA. Each one is going to be different. Find one you can live with.
Don't want an HOA, don't move into a neighborhood.

It's still a choice.

Not all HOA's are "evil". Some just won't allow some dipshit to start raising 1000 roosters on the property next to yours.
Some won't allow your neighbor to start a Harley repair business in his garage.
Some won't allow your neighbor to paint a giant TRUMP face on the front of his house.


It's not like they come cut off your testicles. HOA's can have great value for a homeowner. Especially when it's time to sell your house.
 
justabubba said:
like the foundation and the electrical system, you bought the HOA when you chose to buy the home. they come as a package
it was a free choice

not unlike someone who seeks a job at a unionized company, but then resents being a member of the union's bargaining unit. free choice of a packaged deal
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but i thought that this was bad, which is why we have embraced union busting for decades now. well, not exactly "embraced," but more like let Republicans do it whenever they want. perhaps some HOA busting is in order.
 
Dragonfly said:
Yes it is. You chose where to live.

You want to live in a neighborhood in the suburbs, you might have to join an HOA. Each one is going to be different. Find one you can live with.
Don't want an HOA, don't move into a neighborhood.

It's still a choice.

Not all HOA's are "evil". Some just won't allow some dipshit to start raising 1000 roosters on the property next to yours.
Some won't allow your neighbor to start a Harley repair business in his garage.
Some won't allow your neighbor to paint a giant TRUMP face on the front of his house.


It's not like they come cut off your testicles. HOA's can have great value for a homeowner. Especially when it's time to sell your house.
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it's not a choice. the vast majority of neighborhoods within commuting distance for my wife and me have mandatory HOAs. if it were a choice, i would not have joined one, as i have said since i was 25 that i would never be a member of one of the ****ing things.

as for your hyperbolic examples, we don't have an HOA at my home in our hometown. no one in the neighborhood is doing any of the things that you have listed.

either way, i suppose that we'll see how it goes. even though we've been corralled into a somewhat questionable donation every month, maybe getting involved with the HOA will be interesting.
 
justabubba said:
then you must choose not living close as your alternative to not being a member of a HOA
but it is still your choice
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see my previous post.
 
Helix said:
see my previous post.
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your post still appears to indicate you refuse to recognize that you actually chose to become a member of the HOA
it was a price you CHOSE to pay in order to have a shorter commute than to live in a more distant non-HOA community
 
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