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Why I Can No Longer Call Myself an Evangelical Republican

Hawkeye10 said:
Only if you are right that he is a narcissist, and I say you aint.

See the thing about conventional wisdom is that it is wrong a whole lot more than is comfortable.
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He has been repeatedly said to be narcissistic. There is little to disprove he isn't. Hell it was obvious far before he ever even considered running for President.
 
I think he's narcissistic, at least his public persona. Maybe up there with LBJ. From Pew Research in 2013:

Johnson leads the list of 42 presidents on measures of “grandiose narcissism,” according to a new study by a team of psychologists published online by the journal Psychological Science.

Also near the top of presidents grandly infatuated with themselves were Teddy Roosevelt, Andrew Jackson, Franklin D. Roosevelt and John F. Kennedy. Bringing up the rear: Millard Fillmore, James Monroe, Grover Cleveland and Ulysses S. Grant. The most narcissistic U.S. presidents | Pew Research Center
 
tosca1 said:
I don't care how many governors had signed up! Or, how huge the rallies are!
You're missing the point.


Like I've said......if laws can be changed, there's always the possibility.
It may not happen overnight - or it may not happen at all - the point is, we keep trying.



Even if the laws will never change - the fact that we're talking about this, is knocking some sense into some confused women - and there are women who change their minds about killing their babies!
To some of us, those are small victories! A baby saved is a life saved!
Two lives are actually saved, after all....we hear of mothers who'd been shattered by guilt,
after having abortions.





A Christian, imho, doesn't conform to something that's evil. "If you can't lick em, join 'em," does not apply. It shouldn't apply!

Christians aren't supposed to conform to the ways of this world......
......... what more, when we're talking about things that go directly against the Bible.


Romans 12
12 Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship.

2 Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind.
Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.


God's will is not determined by popularity! It's non-negotiable!




Yes, we're supposed to submit to authorities, or the law of the land.
However, it's also a given right in this land, to cast our vote! In fact, as a good citizen.....
we are requited to practice that right!




Abortion may be the main reason why Evangelicals support Trump, but it's not the only reason.
The freedom to practice our religion, is another good reason.

Christians shouldn't be penalized for following their conscience.
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Again you're having issues with a U.S. Supreme court "amendments" to the U.S. constitution--verus what legislative law is. There are courses available for basic civics. You should probably take one to learn what the 3 branches of government are, and learn their scope of authority in each branch.

Until then you can spin Roe v Wade for the next 46 years.

As far as your comment about abortion being the reason people vote for Trump. Someone who used to openly bragg about his sexcapades and extra marital affairs on the Howard Stern program. Someone who stated in his book that his personal Viet Nam was avoiding sexually transmitted diseases, probably paid for a few abortions himself. He wasn't pro-life before he jumped into this race.
 
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roguenuke said:
He has been repeatedly said to be narcissistic. There is little to disprove he isn't. Hell it was obvious far before he ever even considered running for President.
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That is the claim, and according to the way the pro's slot people I have little doubt but that Trump makes the grade for the diagnosis.

I also say that the claim is BS, that the pro's are wrong, that Trump is no where nears in love with himself.
 
Christians can't seem to see the forest through the trees nowadays. Since the 1980s, income gaps have widened in America is a satanical way, while Republicans continue to espouse Trickle-Down economics. And now all this effort into newly proposed tax legislation. Only 23% of Americans want their Billionaire-favoring tax plan. Christians should all be writing their Congressman and Senators, and telling them that if they vote for this, they will lose their vote.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
That is the claim, and according to the way the pro's slot people I have little doubt but that Trump makes the grade for the diagnosis.

I also say that the claim is BS, that the pro's are wrong, that Trump is no where nears in love with himself.
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This really does fit Trump so well.

 
Oreo said:
Again you're having issues with a U.S. Supreme court "amendments" to the U.S. constitution--verus what legislative law is. There are courses available for basic civics. You should probably take one to learn what the 3 branches of government are, and learn their scope of authority in each branch.

Until then you can spin Roe v Wade for the next 46 years.

As far as your comment about abortion being the reason people vote for Trump. Someone who used to openly bragg about his sexcapades and extra marital affairs on the Howard Stern program. Someone who stated in his book that his personal Viet Nam was avoiding sexually transmitted diseases, probably paid for a few abortions himself. He wasn't pro-life before he jumped into this race.
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:roll:

Read again.
 
Oreo said:
Again you're having issues with a U.S. Supreme court "amendments" to the U.S. constitution--verus what legislative law is. There are courses available for basic civics. You should probably take one to learn what the 3 branches of government are, and learn their scope of authority in each branch.
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Roe was not about amendments nor legislative law. There was no amendment legalizing abortion. Nor was there a Federal law legalizing. The Supreme Court decided a case on the issue and decided that abortion was legal under certain circumstances, but not all. What that means is that the Supreme Court of the United States legalized the killing of innocent unborn human lives. To undo that poor decision, an amendment to the Constitution would need to be approved. That is probably not going to happen soon, but "with God, all things are possible." Since you say you are a Christian, do you agree or deny that all things are possible?
 
LesGovt said:
Roe was not about amendments nor legislative law. There was no amendment legalizing abortion. Nor was there a Federal law legalizing. The Supreme Court decided a case on the issue and decided that abortion was legal under certain circumstances, but not all. What that means is that the Supreme Court of the United States legalized the killing of innocent unborn human lives. To undo that poor decision, an amendment to the Constitution would need to be approved. That is probably not going to happen soon, but "with God, all things are possible." Since you say you are a Christian, do you agree or deny that all things are possible?
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Whatever you want to read into it--Roe v Wade is a U.S. Supreme Court decision--and it's here to stay. Confirmed by Neil Gorsuch, Trump's appointee to the court.

Judge Neil Gorsuch said Tuesday the controversial Supreme Court decision that legalized abortion is “precedent” and acknowledged the ruling had been reaffirmed “many times.”

Gorsuch, President Trump’s nominee to fill the Supreme Court seat vacated when Justice Antonin Scalia died, does not have much of a history ruling on abortion issues, and the contentious subject was one of the first topics broached during the question-and-answer session of Gorsuch’s confirmation hearing before the Senate Judiciary Committee.

“Roe v. Wade, decided in 1973, is a precedent of the United States Supreme Court, it has been reaffirmed…and all of the other factors that go into analyzing precedent have to be considered,” Gorsuch told Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa. “…A good judge will consider it as precedent of the United States Supreme Court, worthy as treatment of precedent like any other.”

Sen. Dianne Feinstein, the first Democrat to question Gorsuch, immediately followed up, citing the importance of the issue since, she said, President Trump “said he would appoint someone who would overturn Roe.”

“Once a case is settled, that adds to the determinacy of the law,” Gorsuch told Feinstein, clarifying his position on precedent. “What was once a hotly-contested issue is no longer a hotly-contested issue. We move forward.”

Feinstein asked if Gorsuch considered Roe v. Wade “super precedent” – a decision that cannot be overturned.

“It has been reaffirmed many times, I can say that,” Gorsuch answered.

Feinstein quickly added: “Yes. Dozens.”
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Gorsuch to Feinstein: Abortion ruling is 'precedent' | Fox News

Just to mention again the Democrats that voted for Niel Gorsuch in 2006- (a G.W. Bush nominee to the Federal District court) and a time when Democrats owned the Senate and could have easily rejected him.

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The only reason Democrats tried to block him, is because they were upset that Obama's last nominee (Merrick Garland) didn't get an up or down vote. This is proof what Republican candidates will do to attract the Evangelical Republican vote. They'll talk the talk on the campaign trail, and that's all they'll do. That's all they can do.
 
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Oreo said:
Whatever you want to read into it--Roe v Wade is a U.S. Supreme Court decision--and it's here to stay. Confirmed by Neil Gorsuch, Trump's appointee to the court.
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Thank you for finally agreeing with me that it was a Supreme Court decision and not an amendment or Federal legislation.

You failed to answer my question. Maybe you can answer it this time. The question was, "'...with God, all things are possible.' Since you say you are a Christian, do you agree or deny that all things are possible?"
 
Media_Truth said:
Christians can't seem to see the forest through the trees nowadays. Since the 1980s, income gaps have widened in America is a satanical way, while Republicans continue to espouse Trickle-Down economics. And now all this effort into newly proposed tax legislation. Only 23% of Americans want their Billionaire-favoring tax plan. Christians should all be writing their Congressman and Senators, and telling them that if they vote for this, they will lose their vote.
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Wow! We appreciate your hostility towards us. We can always tell when we must be doing right by the amount of vileness that comes from the left.
 
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