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You can’t be a good Christian and a good Democrat

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I don’t like making statements like this, but sadly I believe this is true now. And before we get into it...I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT MORAL VIEWS OR ETHICS AND I’M NOT SAYING DEMOCRATS CANNOT BE CHRISTIAN.

There. Now that’s that is out of the way. I think there has been a shift in the Democrat Party. And I think it has come even within the past 10 years or so. And it kinda disturbs me. It disturbs me because the people who should care...don’t. They don’t even see it. In fact...they are so wrapped up in their politics that they don’t even recognize that they are doing it. And the reverse is not true in this case. You will not find this sentiment in the republican camp. So what am I saying specifically?

I think that modern democrats have so aligned themselves that many democrats do not believe they can reconcile their faith with their politics. To the point that it seems many democrats feel that being a Christian automatically means you can’t be a real democrat. It even means you are a republican and hold certain views that they find repugnant. And what has this lead to? An openly hostile atmosphere FROM the left against those who have faith. And now. It isn’t “all democrats,” but I feel more open hostility and discomfort if I’m in an open discussion and I mention I’m a Christian. You would think the party of “tolerance” would understand how wrong this is, but it seems to have gone over their head. Completely. You even have some who openly insult people just for having faith.

I personally think this has to do with the LGBT movement of course. That is a given. And many democrats failed to see that this divide...was even in churches. It didn’t just stop at the door. Personally? I’m ok with gay marriage. And gays. I don’t care. Doesn’t bother me. But because there was opposition and the right took up the stance and then the democrats hijacked the movement (once the objective was completed) and now we have the left attacking their enemy the “Christian right.” And it isn’t just about gay marriage now. Does anyone else feel the left has become openly hostile towards Christians (and to some extent Jews or other religions)? If not openly hostile...would you be willing to see more intolerant? That the Democrat Party has decided their views cannot coexist with a “good Christian” or a “good Jew” or a “good Muslim?”
 
Nah, it's just you.
 
Could you elaborate on what you are trying to say about the LGBT movement? I am assuming you are referring to the fact that Democrats basically don't accept people who are anti-gay. If I'm wrong just let me know. I don't think you need to be anti-gay to be a Christian.
 
I don’t like making statements like this, but sadly I believe this is true now. And before we get into it...I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT MORAL VIEWS OR ETHICS AND I’M NOT SAYING DEMOCRATS CANNOT BE CHRISTIAN.

There. Now that’s that is out of the way. I think there has been a shift in the Democrat Party. And I think it has come even within the past 10 years or so. And it kinda disturbs me. It disturbs me because the people who should care...don’t. They don’t even see it. In fact...they are so wrapped up in their politics that they don’t even recognize that they are doing it. And the reverse is not true in this case. You will not find this sentiment in the republican camp. So what am I saying specifically?

I think that modern democrats have so aligned themselves that many democrats do not believe they can reconcile their faith with their politics. To the point that it seems many democrats feel that being a Christian automatically means you can’t be a real democrat. It even means you are a republican and hold certain views that they find repugnant. And what has this lead to? An openly hostile atmosphere FROM the left against those who have faith. And now. It isn’t “all democrats,” but I feel more open hostility and discomfort if I’m in an open discussion and I mention I’m a Christian. You would think the party of “tolerance” would understand how wrong this is, but it seems to have gone over their head. Completely. You even have some who openly insult people just for having faith.

I personally think this has to do with the LGBT movement of course. That is a given. And many democrats failed to see that this divide...was even in churches. It didn’t just stop at the door. Personally? I’m ok with gay marriage. And gays. I don’t care. Doesn’t bother me. But because there was opposition and the right took up the stance and then the democrats hijacked the movement (once the objective was completed) and now we have the left attacking their enemy the “Christian right.” And it isn’t just about gay marriage now. Does anyone else feel the left has become openly hostile towards Christians (and to some extent Jews or other religions)? If not openly hostile...would you be willing to see more intolerant? That the Democrat Party has decided their views cannot coexist with a “good Christian” or a “good Jew” or a “good Muslim?”

Wow. That is a profoundly ignorant and ill-informed post. There are innumerable democrats and leftists of faith.

And 'democrat party'? Never heard of it. But if you mean the 'Democratic Party', then perhaps you'd be intersted in speaking with a one Barak Obama and, no, the party has not decided what you're claiming it's decided.

Could you be any more transparent?
 
Could you elaborate on what you are trying to say about the LGBT movement? I am assuming you are referring to the fact that Democrats basically don't accept people who are anti-gay. If I'm wrong just let me know. I don't think you need to be anti-gay to be a Christian.

Sort of wrong. But sort of right. You are correct. You don’t need to be anti gay to be a Christian (I’m not). And that is something I don’t think many democrats recognize. And in fact...I might argue they even feel that being Christians means you HAVE to be anti gay and that there is no other options. And I think it is if not directly...then still certainly partially...the fault of republicans for politicizing gay marriage.
 
Nah, it's just you.

Easy way to avoid the discussion. I guess you aren’t a Christian in a liberal town then. I could see why you would ha zero understanding on the topic. You might also be one of the democrats I mentioned too. :/
 
Wow. That is a profoundly ignorant and ill-informed post. There are innumerable democrats and leftists of faith.

This is why I have you on ignore. You skipped the part that is underlined, italicized, bolded, and in all caps.

No **** their are democrats of faith. That wasn’t the point I was making.

And 'democrat party'? Never heard of it. But if you mean the 'Democratic Party', then perhaps you'd be intersted in speaking with a one Barak Obama and, no, the party has not decided what you're claiming it's decided.

Could you be any more transparent?

Listen. I know reading comprehension is hard, but I cannot be anymore transparent than underlining, capslocking, italicizing, and bolding my statements as well as stating exactly what I mean. Maybe if you are having this much trouble with basic reading comprehension you should reconsider being on an internet debate forum? You could try Hooked on Phonics.

Back to the ignore list with you. ;)
 
Sort of wrong. But sort of right. You are correct. You don’t need to be anti gay to be a Christian (I’m not). And that is something I don’t think many democrats recognize. And in fact...I might argue they even feel that being Christians means you HAVE to be anti gay and that there is no other options. And I think it is if not directly...then still certainly partially...the fault of republicans for politicizing gay marriage.

I think you are talking about aggressive atheists more than just Democrats. There are plenty of them in the alt-right as well. I'll agree that right now there is more aggression towards Christians than before, but that has a lot to do with there being almost no criticism of Christianity previously. If you say that being an evangelical Christian makes it hard to be a good Democrat I would agree.
 
This is why I have you on ignore. You skipped the part that is underlined, italicized, bolded, and in all caps.

No **** their are democrats of faith. That wasn’t the point I was making.



Listen. I know reading comprehension is hard, but I cannot be anymore transparent than underlining, capslocking, italicizing, and bolding my statements as well as stating exactly what I mean. Maybe if you are having this much trouble with basic reading comprehension you should reconsider being on an internet debate forum? You could try Hooked on Phonics.

Back to the ignore list with you. ;)

Please put me on your ignore list too.
 
This is why I have you on ignore. You skipped the part that is underlined, italicized, bolded, and in all caps.

No **** their are democrats of faith. That wasn’t the point I was making.

And yet you left the title exactly as it was, contradicting your bull**** rationalization about underlining, etc....

You have me on ignore because I call you on your bull**** and you have no answer other than to sputter and flouder about when you can't defend the claims you've made.
Listen. I know reading comprehension is hard, but I cannot be anymore transparent than underlining, capslocking, italicizing, and bolding my statements as well as stating exactly what I mean. Maybe if you are having this much trouble with basic reading comprehension you should reconsider being on an internet debate forum? You could try Hooked on Phonics.

Back to the ignore list with you. ;)

Good to see that you haven't changed. Spouting talking points, blindly lashing out at democrats in pure emotion using the smokescreen of religious concern and faux persecution and running from your own statements when cornered.

I have news for you: no democrat cares that you claim to be a Christian. It's your actions that matter, not your claims.

A lesson you still haven't learned.

Hey, nice talking to you!
 
I don’t like making statements like this, but sadly I believe this is true now. And before we get into it...I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT MORAL VIEWS OR ETHICS AND I’M NOT SAYING DEMOCRATS CANNOT BE CHRISTIAN.

There. Now that’s that is out of the way. I think there has been a shift in the Democrat Party. And I think it has come even within the past 10 years or so. And it kinda disturbs me. It disturbs me because the people who should care...don’t. They don’t even see it. In fact...they are so wrapped up in their politics that they don’t even recognize that they are doing it. And the reverse is not true in this case. You will not find this sentiment in the republican camp. So what am I saying specifically?

I think that modern democrats have so aligned themselves that many democrats do not believe they can reconcile their faith with their politics. To the point that it seems many democrats feel that being a Christian automatically means you can’t be a real democrat. It even means you are a republican and hold certain views that they find repugnant. And what has this lead to? An openly hostile atmosphere FROM the left against those who have faith. And now. It isn’t “all democrats,” but I feel more open hostility and discomfort if I’m in an open discussion and I mention I’m a Christian. You would think the party of “tolerance” would understand how wrong this is, but it seems to have gone over their head. Completely. You even have some who openly insult people just for having faith.

I personally think this has to do with the LGBT movement of course. That is a given. And many democrats failed to see that this divide...was even in churches. It didn’t just stop at the door. Personally? I’m ok with gay marriage. And gays. I don’t care. Doesn’t bother me. But because there was opposition and the right took up the stance and then the democrats hijacked the movement (once the objective was completed) and now we have the left attacking their enemy the “Christian right.” And it isn’t just about gay marriage now. Does anyone else feel the left has become openly hostile towards Christians (and to some extent Jews or other religions)? If not openly hostile...would you be willing to see more intolerant? That the Democrat Party has decided their views cannot coexist with a “good Christian” or a “good Jew” or a “good Muslim?”

Like ecofarm said, it's just you.

Me, I'm a pretty strong liberal. I'm also a strong Christian - I've been a deacon in the Church of Christ for close to 20 years. How do I reconcile my faith with some of the positions of the Dems? Easy - Apostle Paul stated that he does not judge those who are outside the Church...meaning, it's not for me to condemn what those outside the Church do. That gives me the freedom to look at both parties and see which one is more Christian in their deeds and actions...and while the Dems do support abortion (which is not mentioned in the Bible) and LGBTQ rights, the GOP has become the party of "greed is good", of looking down their noses in scorn at the poor and destitute. They have become the party of "let's start another war for Mideast oil" (see Bush 43's first cabinet meeting in January 2001). They have become the party of whites, and of "if you aren't (our brand of) Christian, you can't be trusted."

I saw this starting back in the early 1990's when the Religious Right - with hucksters like (felonious fraud) Jim Bakker and especially Jerry Falwell - had become kingmakers within the GOP. The Evangelicals (like Falwell) had been attacking the Democratic party for years by that point - which should also tell you that the Dems haven't been hostile towards Christians, but the Evangelicals and Religious Right have been hostile towards the Dems for nearly three decades. Anyway, it was the growing influence of the Religious Right and the right-wing pundits (like Limbaugh) that drove me out of the GOP - their agenda was (and still is) driven not by their constituents and their voters, but by far-right religious nuts, pundits, and corporate barons. In fact, it was the Evangelical lobby that convinced Trump to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital...and it was because they honestly believed that would hasten Armageddon and the return of Jesus! Apparently they forgot that no one this side of Heaven knows how prophecies will be fulfilled, and no one but the Father - not even Jesus Himself - knows when Jesus will return. Meaning, the efforts of the Evangelicals are not Biblical and so they are in vain, useless.

The Democratic party is far from perfect, but at least Democrats earnestly try to help make things better for the poor, the destitute, and the unfortunate...which is what Jesus would want. The GOP, on the other hand, well, it's as if they believe that as soon as you're out of the womb, you're on your own.
 
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I don’t like making statements like this, but sadly I believe this is true now. And before we get into it...I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT MORAL VIEWS OR ETHICS AND I’M NOT SAYING DEMOCRATS CANNOT BE CHRISTIAN.

There. Now that’s that is out of the way. I think there has been a shift in the Democrat Party. And I think it has come even within the past 10 years or so. And it kinda disturbs me. It disturbs me because the people who should care...don’t. They don’t even see it. In fact...they are so wrapped up in their politics that they don’t even recognize that they are doing it. And the reverse is not true in this case. You will not find this sentiment in the republican camp. So what am I saying specifically?

I think that modern democrats have so aligned themselves that many democrats do not believe they can reconcile their faith with their politics. To the point that it seems many democrats feel that being a Christian automatically means you can’t be a real democrat. It even means you are a republican and hold certain views that they find repugnant. And what has this lead to? An openly hostile atmosphere FROM the left against those who have faith. And now. It isn’t “all democrats,” but I feel more open hostility and discomfort if I’m in an open discussion and I mention I’m a Christian. You would think the party of “tolerance” would understand how wrong this is, but it seems to have gone over their head. Completely. You even have some who openly insult people just for having faith.

I personally think this has to do with the LGBT movement of course. That is a given. And many democrats failed to see that this divide...was even in churches. It didn’t just stop at the door. Personally? I’m ok with gay marriage. And gays. I don’t care. Doesn’t bother me. But because there was opposition and the right took up the stance and then the democrats hijacked the movement (once the objective was completed) and now we have the left attacking their enemy the “Christian right.” And it isn’t just about gay marriage now. Does anyone else feel the left has become openly hostile towards Christians (and to some extent Jews or other religions)? If not openly hostile...would you be willing to see more intolerant? That the Democrat Party has decided their views cannot coexist with a “good Christian” or a “good Jew” or a “good Muslim?”

You dont really live in america do you? Your post might be one of the most informed ive read this year LMAO

76% of democrats believe in god. MILLIONS of them. of that 76% guess how many are christians:lamo

Your claims completely fail to and will never be taken seriously by anybody objective educated and objective
 
I don’t like making statements like this, but sadly I believe this is true now. And before we get into it...I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT MORAL VIEWS OR ETHICS AND I’M NOT SAYING DEMOCRATS CANNOT BE CHRISTIAN.

There. Now that’s that is out of the way. I think there has been a shift in the Democrat Party. And I think it has come even within the past 10 years or so. And it kinda disturbs me. It disturbs me because the people who should care...don’t. They don’t even see it. In fact...they are so wrapped up in their politics that they don’t even recognize that they are doing it. And the reverse is not true in this case. You will not find this sentiment in the republican camp. So what am I saying specifically?

I think that modern democrats have so aligned themselves that many democrats do not believe they can reconcile their faith with their politics. To the point that it seems many democrats feel that being a Christian automatically means you can’t be a real democrat. It even means you are a republican and hold certain views that they find repugnant. And what has this lead to? An openly hostile atmosphere FROM the left against those who have faith. And now. It isn’t “all democrats,” but I feel more open hostility and discomfort if I’m in an open discussion and I mention I’m a Christian. You would think the party of “tolerance” would understand how wrong this is, but it seems to have gone over their head. Completely. You even have some who openly insult people just for having faith.

I personally think this has to do with the LGBT movement of course. That is a given. And many democrats failed to see that this divide...was even in churches. It didn’t just stop at the door. Personally? I’m ok with gay marriage. And gays. I don’t care. Doesn’t bother me. But because there was opposition and the right took up the stance and then the democrats hijacked the movement (once the objective was completed) and now we have the left attacking their enemy the “Christian right.” And it isn’t just about gay marriage now. Does anyone else feel the left has become openly hostile towards Christians (and to some extent Jews or other religions)? If not openly hostile...would you be willing to see more intolerant? That the Democrat Party has decided their views cannot coexist with a “good Christian” or a “good Jew” or a “good Muslim?”

While I respect you and your opinion, I have to say, you will always be disappointed if you try and mix politics with any kind of morality call.
Republicans, Democrats, Independents, Whigs, or any other party you choose can not be held against any morality measuring tools.
That is the individuals job to uphold their moral beliefs.
Any government's job is to collect taxes to pave the roads, build the schools and police society as a whole, and provide for defense.
Moral decisions are not in their job description, even though politicians may run on some religious or moral platform.
They all do, but then again that is not their job.
Their job is to get elected, stay elected (ka-ching) and "play politics".
You will be disappointed if you expect any political party to do otherwise, no matter what they say.
 
I don’t like making statements like this, but sadly I believe this is true now. And before we get into it...I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT MORAL VIEWS OR ETHICS AND I’M NOT SAYING DEMOCRATS CANNOT BE CHRISTIAN.

There. Now that’s that is out of the way. I think there has been a shift in the Democrat Party. And I think it has come even within the past 10 years or so. And it kinda disturbs me. It disturbs me because the people who should care...don’t. They don’t even see it. In fact...they are so wrapped up in their politics that they don’t even recognize that they are doing it. And the reverse is not true in this case. You will not find this sentiment in the republican camp. So what am I saying specifically?

I think that modern democrats have so aligned themselves that many democrats do not believe they can reconcile their faith with their politics. To the point that it seems many democrats feel that being a Christian automatically means you can’t be a real democrat. It even means you are a republican and hold certain views that they find repugnant. And what has this lead to? An openly hostile atmosphere FROM the left against those who have faith. And now. It isn’t “all democrats,” but I feel more open hostility and discomfort if I’m in an open discussion and I mention I’m a Christian. You would think the party of “tolerance” would understand how wrong this is, but it seems to have gone over their head. Completely. You even have some who openly insult people just for having faith.

I personally think this has to do with the LGBT movement of course. That is a given. And many democrats failed to see that this divide...was even in churches. It didn’t just stop at the door. Personally? I’m ok with gay marriage. And gays. I don’t care. Doesn’t bother me. But because there was opposition and the right took up the stance and then the democrats hijacked the movement (once the objective was completed) and now we have the left attacking their enemy the “Christian right.” And it isn’t just about gay marriage now. Does anyone else feel the left has become openly hostile towards Christians (and to some extent Jews or other religions)? If not openly hostile...would you be willing to see more intolerant? That the Democrat Party has decided their views cannot coexist with a “good Christian” or a “good Jew” or a “good Muslim?”

But you can be a good Christian and support Donald Trump or child ****ers like Roy Moore? Jesus spent every waking second preaching about the evils of being rich and helping the poor. You've constructed a fictional Republican Jesus based on rugged individualism that is counter to everything he spoke about.

Democrats support a free society where all faiths and creeds are welcome, including Christianity, evangelical Republicans do not, they want ideological domination and are constantly attacking other faiths such as Islam. You are not a victim, you are just one religion of many.

People with modern Republican views can not be Christian. It's impossible. Hell, check out the Jesus-like behavior from a so-called evangelical Republican in my signature below. It's time for you to police your own bad eggs if you want to change the evangelical Republican image. There are too many of those people.
 
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I don’t like making statements like this, but sadly I believe this is true now. And before we get into it...I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT MORAL VIEWS OR ETHICS AND I’M NOT SAYING DEMOCRATS CANNOT BE CHRISTIAN.

There. Now that’s that is out of the way. I think there has been a shift in the Democrat Party. And I think it has come even within the past 10 years or so. And it kinda disturbs me. It disturbs me because the people who should care...don’t. They don’t even see it. In fact...they are so wrapped up in their politics that they don’t even recognize that they are doing it. And the reverse is not true in this case. You will not find this sentiment in the republican camp. So what am I saying specifically?

I think that modern democrats have so aligned themselves that many democrats do not believe they can reconcile their faith with their politics. To the point that it seems many democrats feel that being a Christian automatically means you can’t be a real democrat. It even means you are a republican and hold certain views that they find repugnant. And what has this lead to? An openly hostile atmosphere FROM the left against those who have faith. And now. It isn’t “all democrats,” but I feel more open hostility and discomfort if I’m in an open discussion and I mention I’m a Christian. You would think the party of “tolerance” would understand how wrong this is, but it seems to have gone over their head. Completely. You even have some who openly insult people just for having faith.

I personally think this has to do with the LGBT movement of course. That is a given. And many democrats failed to see that this divide...was even in churches. It didn’t just stop at the door. Personally? I’m ok with gay marriage. And gays. I don’t care. Doesn’t bother me. But because there was opposition and the right took up the stance and then the democrats hijacked the movement (once the objective was completed) and now we have the left attacking their enemy the “Christian right.” And it isn’t just about gay marriage now. Does anyone else feel the left has become openly hostile towards Christians (and to some extent Jews or other religions)? If not openly hostile...would you be willing to see more intolerant? That the Democrat Party has decided their views cannot coexist with a “good Christian” or a “good Jew” or a “good Muslim?”

Go on and reconcile the Beatitudes with what the Republican party stands for. I dare you.
 
That the Democrat Party has decided their views cannot coexist with a “good Christian” or a “good Jew” or a “good Muslim?”

Please point to us where in the Democratic Party Platform it says one cannot be a "good Democrat" and a "good *insert religion here*"
 
I don’t like making statements like this, but sadly I believe this is true now. And before we get into it...I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT MORAL VIEWS OR ETHICS AND I’M NOT SAYING DEMOCRATS CANNOT BE CHRISTIAN.

There. Now that’s that is out of the way. I think there has been a shift in the Democrat Party. And I think it has come even within the past 10 years or so. And it kinda disturbs me. It disturbs me because the people who should care...don’t. They don’t even see it. In fact...they are so wrapped up in their politics that they don’t even recognize that they are doing it. And the reverse is not true in this case. You will not find this sentiment in the republican camp. So what am I saying specifically?

I think that modern democrats have so aligned themselves that many democrats do not believe they can reconcile their faith with their politics. To the point that it seems many democrats feel that being a Christian automatically means you can’t be a real democrat. It even means you are a republican and hold certain views that they find repugnant. And what has this lead to? An openly hostile atmosphere FROM the left against those who have faith. And now. It isn’t “all democrats,” but I feel more open hostility and discomfort if I’m in an open discussion and I mention I’m a Christian. You would think the party of “tolerance” would understand how wrong this is, but it seems to have gone over their head. Completely. You even have some who openly insult people just for having faith.

I personally think this has to do with the LGBT movement of course. That is a given. And many democrats failed to see that this divide...was even in churches. It didn’t just stop at the door. Personally? I’m ok with gay marriage. And gays. I don’t care. Doesn’t bother me. But because there was opposition and the right took up the stance and then the democrats hijacked the movement (once the objective was completed) and now we have the left attacking their enemy the “Christian right.” And it isn’t just about gay marriage now. Does anyone else feel the left has become openly hostile towards Christians (and to some extent Jews or other religions)? If not openly hostile...would you be willing to see more intolerant? That the Democrat Party has decided their views cannot coexist with a “good Christian” or a “good Jew” or a “good Muslim?”



I think the problem is what you might consider a 'Christian' to be. What I mean is there are different beliefs in different denominations of Christianity. Roman Catholic, Protestant, Lutheran, Methodist and Evangelist. I know I'm forgetting some, but you get the point. The word Christian is the overall 'name'.

So while I doubt you will find a Roman Catholic Democrat, you will in some of the other denominations.
 
I don’t like making statements like this, but sadly I believe this is true now. And before we get into it...I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT MORAL VIEWS OR ETHICS AND I’M NOT SAYING DEMOCRATS CANNOT BE CHRISTIAN.
But you don’t mind accusing Democrats of doing the exact opposite? :)

Very much from the outside, it seems to me that you’re facing an issue with some Democrats who think Christianity is incompatible with their values but equally some Christians who think Democrat values are incompatible with their faith. I don’t think either of those extreme views are reflected in the mainstream core of either group and, as has been pointed out, the majority of Democrats will be Christian themselves.

I think this boils down to issues with broad labelling. In reality, there isn’t one type of Democrat and there isn’t one type of Christian. Any question along the lines of “Why to X do this?” is typically based flawed assumptions and broad generalisation. That’s essentially what your post is doing though ironically, in reaction to Democrats making the same mistake in relation to Christians. I’d suggest not attributing labels to anyone in this way but to treat every person you encounter as the individual they are. You’ll probably find that few if any actually match the stereotypes we build up in our minds.
 
I don’t like making statements like this, but sadly I believe this is true now. And before we get into it...I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT MORAL VIEWS OR ETHICS AND I’M NOT SAYING DEMOCRATS CANNOT BE CHRISTIAN.

There. Now that’s that is out of the way. I think there has been a shift in the Democrat Party. And I think it has come even within the past 10 years or so. And it kinda disturbs me. It disturbs me because the people who should care...don’t. They don’t even see it. In fact...they are so wrapped up in their politics that they don’t even recognize that they are doing it. And the reverse is not true in this case. You will not find this sentiment in the republican camp. So what am I saying specifically?

I think that modern democrats have so aligned themselves that many democrats do not believe they can reconcile their faith with their politics. To the point that it seems many democrats feel that being a Christian automatically means you can’t be a real democrat. It even means you are a republican and hold certain views that they find repugnant. And what has this lead to? An openly hostile atmosphere FROM the left against those who have faith. And now. It isn’t “all democrats,” but I feel more open hostility and discomfort if I’m in an open discussion and I mention I’m a Christian. You would think the party of “tolerance” would understand how wrong this is, but it seems to have gone over their head. Completely. You even have some who openly insult people just for having faith.

I personally think this has to do with the LGBT movement of course. That is a given. And many democrats failed to see that this divide...was even in churches. It didn’t just stop at the door. Personally? I’m ok with gay marriage. And gays. I don’t care. Doesn’t bother me. But because there was opposition and the right took up the stance and then the democrats hijacked the movement (once the objective was completed) and now we have the left attacking their enemy the “Christian right.” And it isn’t just about gay marriage now. Does anyone else feel the left has become openly hostile towards Christians (and to some extent Jews or other religions)? If not openly hostile...would you be willing to see more intolerant? That the Democrat Party has decided their views cannot coexist with a “good Christian” or a “good Jew” or a “good Muslim?”

As I see it, if you are truly spiritual/religious, then you really should have absolutely NO deep connection with either/any political party.

Most your post seems to be nothing more than "war on christians" herp derp nonsense.
 
I think you are talking about aggressive atheists more than just Democrats. There are plenty of them in the alt-right as well. I'll agree that right now there is more aggression towards Christians than before, but that has a lot to do with there being almost no criticism of Christianity previously. If you say that being an evangelical Christian makes it hard to be a good Democrat I would agree.

I’m really not talking about aggressive atheists. I actually had a long talk with my girlfriend last night about it too (she is a democrat). She even sees it. There is almost a sneering and a looking down the nose if someone says they are a Christian. I’m very surprised that you don’t see it. And it isn’t just “evangelicals.” I get it all the time. And I am PC USA. Which allows gay marriage and memebership. But people still don’t try and distinguish. They assume that a Christian must be the anti gay marriage and gay bashing type.
 
As I see it, if you are truly spiritual/religious, then you really should have absolutely NO deep connection with either/any political party.

Most your post seems to be nothing more than "war on christians" herp derp nonsense.

It isn’t “war on Christmas. It is more addressing the...bigotry is too strong of a word...but intolerance...the left has brought to the table. I see a lot of denial of this by democrat members here. And mainly through a desire to “ignore” the problem. Even though I’m sure you have heard people doing this. Like I said. I live in a liberal town. And it is painfully obvious when I listen to democrats speak on any topic where faith comes up.
 
But you don’t mind accusing Democrats of doing the exact opposite? :)

Very much from the outside, it seems to me that you’re facing an issue with some Democrats who think Christianity is incompatible with their values but equally some Christians who think Democrat values are incompatible with their faith. I don’t think either of those extreme views are reflected in the mainstream core of either group and, as has been pointed out, the majority of Democrats will be Christian themselves.

I think this boils down to issues with broad labelling. In reality, there isn’t one type of Democrat and there isn’t one type of Christian. Any question along the lines of “Why to X do this?” is typically based flawed assumptions and broad generalisation. That’s essentially what your post is doing though ironically, in reaction to Democrats making the same mistake in relation to Christians. I’d suggest not attributing labels to anyone in this way but to treat every person you encounter as the individual they are. You’ll probably find that few if any actually match the stereotypes we build up in our minds.

So 2 part response.

1) I don’t think the opposite is true. But not for the same reason. I think that the opposite is not true BECAUSE there are a lot of democrat Christians. It is something that is seen in the Church. Especially when the church attempts to weigh in on political issues (guns to gays). So no I don’t think it is the same. I do think that the right has become more vocal in their opposition to the left, and since one of the biggest issues was gay marriage, I think that is his it really flared up.

2) I completely agree about broad labeling. And that is what I’m addressing I suppose. And I will stipulate again...I don’t think democrats can’t be Christian. I feel that there are more “broad labeling” democrats that feel Christianity is...or someone’s faith...should come second to their politics.
 
I think the problem is what you might consider a 'Christian' to be. What I mean is there are different beliefs in different denominations of Christianity. Roman Catholic, Protestant, Lutheran, Methodist and Evangelist. I know I'm forgetting some, but you get the point. The word Christian is the overall 'name'.

So while I doubt you will find a Roman Catholic Democrat, you will in some of the other denominations.

That is actually part of my point. There are. And I don’t think many take the time to understand that. And it has left a bad taste in my mouth for sure. But I often wonder if democrat Christians have experienced the issue. If they feel they have to walk on eggshells around some of their more liberal friends on the topic.
 
Here's why this thread is nonsense.

Religion in America: U.S. Religious Data, Demographics and Statistics | Pew Research Center

Poll: Most Americans Say They're Christian - ABC News


As with all the "us poor, poor christians are under attack" threads, what's actually happening these days is some people are losing their cookies over the idea that christians can no longer make all the rules, for everyone, and expect everyone to just fall in line and obey it with blinders on.

The Horror. The Horror.
 
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