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Anti Semitism is Rooted in Envy

Cherub786

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The more I think about it, the more I realize that anti-Semitism is essentially born out of feelings of jealousy of Jews. Its main proponents historically have been the medieval Christian priest, and in modern times, the White nationalist who wants to celebrate Europe’s pagan heritage. This is obviously because of the success of Judaism in influencing Western morality and even spirituality. After all, both Christianity and Islam are rooted in the Jewish Bible and its radical notion of worshiping one creator God instead of multiple flawed “deities” of a pantheon. The stories we read and tell out children exemplify this point. People read stories of the Hebrew Bible to their children, about Moses and the Exodus for example. Virtually no one tell their children the legends of Greek or Norse mythology. It is because the stories and narratives of Judaism are much more compelling and meaningful than those of European paganism. The heritage of Hellenism, which influenced the Renaissance, sought to celebrate the human form and visual arts, but it simply could not compete with the inner satisfaction human beings derived from monotheistic Judaic spirituality. The inferiority of ideas that originated in ancient Europe which nevertheless produced powerful even vicious civilizations as compared to that of the Jews, a tiny Semitic tribe of the Near East, must have infuriated those who took pride in their European heritage. In modern times, the immense success of Zionism in creating a thriving State of Israel has always been a cause of jealousy for those Europeans who saw their own countries spiral into the abyss and lose their once dominant positions.
 
Cherub786 said:
The more I think about it, the more I realize that anti-Semitism is essentially born out of feelings of jealousy of Jews. Its main proponents historically have been the medieval Christian priest, and in modern times, the White nationalist who wants to celebrate Europe’s pagan heritage. This is obviously because of the success of Judaism in influencing Western morality and even spirituality. After all, both Christianity and Islam are rooted in the Jewish Bible and its radical notion of worshiping one creator God instead of multiple flawed “deities” of a pantheon. The stories we read and tell out children exemplify this point. People read stories of the Hebrew Bible to their children, about Moses and the Exodus for example. Virtually no one tell their children the legends of Greek or Norse mythology. It is because the stories and narratives of Judaism are much more compelling and meaningful than those of European paganism. The heritage of Hellenism, which influenced the Renaissance, sought to celebrate the human form and visual arts, but it simply could not compete with the inner satisfaction human beings derived from monotheistic Judaic spirituality. The inferiority of ideas that originated in ancient Europe which nevertheless produced powerful even vicious civilizations as compared to that of the Jews, a tiny Semitic tribe of the Near East, must have infuriated those who took pride in their European heritage. In modern times, the immense success of Zionism in creating a thriving State of Israel has always been a cause of jealousy for those Europeans who saw their own countries spiral into the abyss and lose their once dominant positions.
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My information is that those who disliked the jews did not want to become like jews, they wanted the jews to become like them.

Because the Jews were inferior.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
My information is that those who disliked the jews did not want to become like jews, they wanted the jews to become like them.

Because the Jews were inferior.
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I don’t think so. Hitler, the ultimate anti-Semite, who also best articulated anti-Semitism intellectually, said he loathed those Jews that had assimilated into German society and hence corrupted it from within than those religious and orthodox Jews living in their ghettoes and shtetls preserving their Jewish identity and lifestyle. So the desire of the anti-Semite is not that the Jews “become like them”, rather that the Jews should, at best, be kept away out of sight and out of mind, and at worst, exterminated en masse.

As for my thesis that anti-Semitism is rooted in jealousy of Jews, your remarks don’t really negate this thesis either way.
 
Cherub786 said:

I don’t think so. Hitler, the ultimate anti-Semite, who also best articulated anti-Semitism intellectually, said he loathed those Jews that had assimilated into German society and hence corrupted it from within than those religious and orthodox Jews living in their ghettoes and shtetls preserving their Jewish identity and lifestyle. So the desire of the anti-Semite is not that the Jews “become like them”, rather that the Jews should, at best, be kept away out of sight and out of mind, and at worst, exterminated en masse.

As for my thesis that anti-Semitism is rooted in jealousy of Jews, your remarks don’t really negate this thesis either way.
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You seem to not know that the problem with the Jews tended to be their refusal to join the major population, their refusal to give up their backwards tribe ways.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
You seem to not know that the problem with the Jews tended to be their refusal to join the major population, their refusal to give up their backwards tribe ways.
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Well this is classical anti-Semitic thinking “their backwards tribe [sic] ways”, especially considering the fact that modern civilization and morality owes itself to monotheistic Judaism. In fact, many of the distinctive Jewish “tribal” customs such as circumcision far from being backward were embraced in placed like the United States as a medically beneficial practice. The movement in San Francisco against infant male circumcision was illustrated by the disreputable “Foreskin Man” comic book which was inherently anti-Semitic and used insensitive anti-Semitic iconography. But the movement against this Judaic practice was in fact rooted in jealousy and envy of the fact that modern society had preferred a Judaic “tribal” practice over and above the old European pagan custom. This was yet another example of how the anti-Semitic European nationalist was burning with envy and infuriated that his heritage was not considered good enough as compared to that of a Semitic tribe he looked down upon as “inferior”.
 
Cherub786 said:
The more I think about it, the more I realize that anti-Semitism is essentially born out of feelings of jealousy of Jews. Its main proponents historically have been the medieval Christian priest, and in modern times, the White nationalist who wants to celebrate Europe’s pagan heritage. This is obviously because of the success of Judaism in influencing Western morality and even spirituality. After all, both Christianity and Islam are rooted in the Jewish Bible and its radical notion of worshiping one creator God instead of multiple flawed “deities” of a pantheon. The stories we read and tell out children exemplify this point. People read stories of the Hebrew Bible to their children, about Moses and the Exodus for example. Virtually no one tell their children the legends of Greek or Norse mythology. It is because the stories and narratives of Judaism are much more compelling and meaningful than those of European paganism. The heritage of Hellenism, which influenced the Renaissance, sought to celebrate the human form and visual arts, but it simply could not compete with the inner satisfaction human beings derived from monotheistic Judaic spirituality. The inferiority of ideas that originated in ancient Europe which nevertheless produced powerful even vicious civilizations as compared to that of the Jews, a tiny Semitic tribe of the Near East, must have infuriated those who took pride in their European heritage. In modern times, the immense success of Zionism in creating a thriving State of Israel has always been a cause of jealousy for those Europeans who saw their own countries spiral into the abyss and lose their once dominant positions.
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You think? I prefer to believe that the Jews were despised for having killed Christ ie demanded His death. So they were excluded from society in many ways and restrictions were put on the activities they were allowed to perform so that they could more or less reliant on 'asocial' and disreputable jobs for survival by the Middle Ages. This led to the chain of events that made many of them

P.S.: I thought most educated parents read Greek and other ledgends, mythology and fairytalee to their children at bedtime. I loved that hour in the evening.
 
joG said:
You think? I prefer to believe that the Jews were despised for having killed Christ ie demanded His death. So they were excluded from society in many ways and restrictions were put on the activities they were allowed to perform so that they could more or less reliant on 'asocial' and disreputable jobs for survival by the Middle Ages. This led to the chain of events that made many of them

P.S.: I thought most educated parents read Greek and other ledgends, mythology and fairytalee to their children at bedtime. I loved that hour in the evening.
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I am talking about modern anti-Semitism. The fanatical anti-Semitism of the medieval Christians in accusing the Jews of “deicide” (an absurd charge if you think about it) may not have been rooted in jealousy, at least initially. It was simply religious persecution. But as you pointed out, since Jews were unjustly barred from owning land they were forced into professions of moneylending. This resulted in Jews becoming more professional and educated and escaping the scourge of feudalism. The success of Jews resulted in greater envy from the typical Christian peasant, and such feelings of envy were exploited by fanatical priests from time to time in order to exact pogroms and violence against Jews.

But the modern form of anti-Semitism is especially rooted in jealousy of the prominent cultural and spiritual elevation of Judaism in Western civilization which the European nationalists are extremely resentful of. The anti-Semite, for example, is dumbfounded that he worships a Jew as “god”. This is why many anti-Semites are promoting a return to old European paganism, because they view Christianity as an institution which will always remind them of the elevated position of Jews and Israel. Either that or they embrace a particularly anti-Semitic, Marcionite flavor of Christianity which aggressively condemns Jews as “satanic” etc., and the irony of that is they use Jewish-origin concepts and terminology, alien to their own heritage, to condemn Jews. Many European anti-Semites are acutely aware of this paradox, and but downplay it among their ordinary uneducated followers who are still very much under the “spell” of Christianity, even if only culturally, but in their intellectual circles they understand the need for them to reinvigorate and celebrate their pagan European roots.
 
Sometimes (indeed often) it's all in a song.



With plenty of targets offered, the one that most can agree on is usually the most preferred.
 
Cherub786 said:
The more I think about it, the more I realize that anti-Semitism is essentially born out of feelings of jealousy of Jews. Its main proponents historically have been the medieval Christian priest, and in modern times, the White nationalist who wants to celebrate Europe’s pagan heritage. This is obviously because of the success of Judaism in influencing Western morality and even spirituality. After all, both Christianity and Islam are rooted in the Jewish Bible and its radical notion of worshiping one creator God instead of multiple flawed “deities” of a pantheon. The stories we read and tell out children exemplify this point. People read stories of the Hebrew Bible to their children, about Moses and the Exodus for example. Virtually no one tell their children the legends of Greek or Norse mythology. It is because the stories and narratives of Judaism are much more compelling and meaningful than those of European paganism. The heritage of Hellenism, which influenced the Renaissance, sought to celebrate the human form and visual arts, but it simply could not compete with the inner satisfaction human beings derived from monotheistic Judaic spirituality. The inferiority of ideas that originated in ancient Europe which nevertheless produced powerful even vicious civilizations as compared to that of the Jews, a tiny Semitic tribe of the Near East, must have infuriated those who took pride in their European heritage. In modern times, the immense success of Zionism in creating a thriving State of Israel has always been a cause of jealousy for those Europeans who saw their own countries spiral into the abyss and lose their once dominant positions.
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Paragraphs... heard of them?
 
Cherub786 said:

I am talking about modern anti-Semitism. The fanatical anti-Semitism of the medieval Christians in accusing the Jews of “deicide” (an absurd charge if you think about it) may not have been rooted in jealousy, at least initially. It was simply religious persecution. But as you pointed out, since Jews were unjustly barred from owning land they were forced into professions of moneylending. This resulted in Jews becoming more professional and educated and escaping the scourge of feudalism. The success of Jews resulted in greater envy from the typical Christian peasant, and such feelings of envy were exploited by fanatical priests from time to time in order to exact pogroms and violence against Jews.

But the modern form of anti-Semitism is especially rooted in jealousy of the prominent cultural and spiritual elevation of Judaism in Western civilization which the European nationalists are extremely resentful of. The anti-Semite, for example, is dumbfounded that he worships a Jew as “god”. This is why many anti-Semites are promoting a return to old European paganism, because they view Christianity as an institution which will always remind them of the elevated position of Jews and Israel. Either that or they embrace a particularly anti-Semitic, Marcionite flavor of Christianity which aggressively condemns Jews as “satanic” etc., and the irony of that is they use Jewish-origin concepts and terminology, alien to their own heritage, to condemn Jews. Many European anti-Semites are acutely aware of this paradox, and but downplay it among their ordinary uneducated followers who are still very much under the “spell” of Christianity, even if only culturally, but in their intellectual circles they understand the need for them to reinvigorate and celebrate their pagan European roots.
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People oppressing and killing each other in the name of religion is all part of the diversity that you want to retain.
 
Cherub786 said:
The more I think about it, the more I realize that anti-Semitism is essentially born out of feelings of jealousy of Jews.. ]
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Just curious. Why worry about Judaism so much, when you have a page from the Quran as your avatar?
 
Cherub786 said:

I don’t think so. Hitler, the ultimate anti-Semite, who also best articulated anti-Semitism intellectually, said he loathed those Jews that had assimilated into German society and hence corrupted it from within than those religious and orthodox Jews living in their ghettoes and shtetls preserving their Jewish identity and lifestyle. So the desire of the anti-Semite is not that the Jews “become like them”, rather that the Jews should, at best, be kept away out of sight and out of mind, and at worst, exterminated en masse.

As for my thesis that anti-Semitism is rooted in jealousy of Jews, your remarks don’t really negate this thesis either way.
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I believe it is the result of trying to remain an intact group during the diaspora. Of remaining among but apart. And telling their children they are the best, the chosen of god, to keep them from interbreeding with the goyim.
 
Cherub786 said:
The more I think about it, the more I realize that anti-Semitism is essentially born out of feelings of jealousy of Jews. Its main proponents historically have been the medieval Christian priest, and in modern times, the White nationalist who wants to celebrate Europe’s pagan heritage. This is obviously because of the success of Judaism in influencing Western morality and even spirituality. After all, both Christianity and Islam are rooted in the Jewish Bible and its radical notion of worshiping one creator God instead of multiple flawed “deities” of a pantheon. The stories we read and tell out children exemplify this point. People read stories of the Hebrew Bible to their children, about Moses and the Exodus for example. Virtually no one tell their children the legends of Greek or Norse mythology. It is because the stories and narratives of Judaism are much more compelling and meaningful than those of European paganism. The heritage of Hellenism, which influenced the Renaissance, sought to celebrate the human form and visual arts, but it simply could not compete with the inner satisfaction human beings derived from monotheistic Judaic spirituality. The inferiority of ideas that originated in ancient Europe which nevertheless produced powerful even vicious civilizations as compared to that of the Jews, a tiny Semitic tribe of the Near East, must have infuriated those who took pride in their European heritage. In modern times, the immense success of Zionism in creating a thriving State of Israel has always been a cause of jealousy for those Europeans who saw their own countries spiral into the abyss and lose their once dominant positions.
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Different is different. Doesn't have to be perceived as either superior or inferior to be hated.

Many people just don't like different.
 
RAMOSS said:
Just curious. Why worry about Judaism so much, when you have a page from the Quran as your avatar?
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Who says I’m worried about anything? This thread isn’t about Judaism or Islam, or any religion for that matter. It is my thesis that jealousy of Jews is the underlying reason for anti-Semitism in the modern world.
 
William Rea said:
People oppressing and killing each other in the name of religion is all part of the diversity that you want to retain.
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Women that are raped and murdered by men wouldn’t be a problem if there was no distinction of sex in our species.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
You seem to not know that the problem with the Jews tended to be their refusal to join the major population, their refusal to give up their backwards tribe ways.
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Your information is incorrect, especially given how heavily Jewish society has always valued education. If anyone was "backwards" it was those launching the pogroms.
 
Cherub786 said:

Women that are raped and murdered by men wouldn’t be a problem if there was no distinction of sex in our species.
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If we had some eggs we could have ham and eggs, if we had some ham.
 
What if...? said:
I believe it is the result of trying to remain an intact group during the diaspora. Of remaining among but apart. And telling their children they are the best, the chosen of god, to keep them from interbreeding with the goyim.
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Yes there is truth in your statement. As a nation they have to a large extent succeeded in the goal of “remaining intact” as they have often done so even when faced with major calamities going back to their slavery to the Egyptians, then the Assyrian conquest and destruction of the northern Kingdom of Israel in the 8th century BCE, then the Babylonian captivity and exile in the 6th century BCE, the conquest of the Jews by the Greeks and the episode of Antiochus “Epiphanes”, then the Roman conquest of the Jews and the destruction of the second temple in 70 CE and the second great exile and diaspora, then the medieval pogroms, and finally the Holocaust of the 20th century. So the history of Jews is quite unique which I think no other nation or people can claim to have such a unique history. This is one of the reasons for the jealousy that in turn leads to anti-Semitic behavior and ideas.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
You seem to not know that the problem with the Jews tended to be their refusal to join the major population, their refusal to give up their backwards tribe ways.
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You seem not to know that those weren't problems for the Jews.
 
Cherub786 said:
The more I think about it, the more I realize that anti-Semitism is essentially born out of feelings of jealousy of Jews. Its main proponents historically have been the medieval Christian priest, and in modern times, the White nationalist who wants to celebrate Europe’s pagan heritage. This is obviously because of the success of Judaism in influencing Western morality and even spirituality. After all, both Christianity and Islam are rooted in the Jewish Bible and its radical notion of worshiping one creator God instead of multiple flawed “deities” of a pantheon. The stories we read and tell out children exemplify this point. People read stories of the Hebrew Bible to their children, about Moses and the Exodus for example. Virtually no one tell their children the legends of Greek or Norse mythology. It is because the stories and narratives of Judaism are much more compelling and meaningful than those of European paganism. The heritage of Hellenism, which influenced the Renaissance, sought to celebrate the human form and visual arts, but it simply could not compete with the inner satisfaction human beings derived from monotheistic Judaic spirituality. The inferiority of ideas that originated in ancient Europe which nevertheless produced powerful even vicious civilizations as compared to that of the Jews, a tiny Semitic tribe of the Near East, must have infuriated those who took pride in their European heritage. In modern times, the immense success of Zionism in creating a thriving State of Israel has always been a cause of jealousy for those Europeans who saw their own countries spiral into the abyss and lose their once dominant positions.
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You need to think about it a little bit more.

It had nothing to do with their religion except as that was what was given as an excuse .

You do know that ancient christianity ethics forbade ursury or any form of being in the business of money lending among christians? So christians instead went to the jews who did practice the business of money lending. And when the debts got big enough and the elite wealthy class could not afford the repayments then what better way to end a debt than to stir up the population for a pogrom against the jews and have those debts disappear along with the life of the jew.

This is nothing to do with the so called success of judaism or its influence. It is about greed and stupidity the hallmarks of religion.
 
Fortunately, Christian antisemitism hardly exists any more. Secular antisemitism exists on the internet, but in the United States it is politically insignificant.

Secular antisemitism is based on jealousy of the fact that most Jews are intelligent, and prosperous as a result.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Your information is incorrect, especially given how heavily Jewish society has always valued education. If anyone was "backwards" it was those launching the pogroms.
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Holding to the old ways was considered out of date and backwards.....education did not change that. See the Jews thought that they could give the rest of the people the finger (this is how their choices were received) , keep to themselves and carry on with their tribal ways so long as they performed services, so long as they used their education to do good for the rest, but it often did not work out that way, for instance when the NAZI's came to power.

Refusal to assimilate tends to carry charges.

NOTE: I am giving no personal opinion here on the rights to refuse to assimilate, nor am I approving what was done in retaliation, I am saying truth about what was.
 
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Hawkeye10 said:
Holding to the old ways was considered out of date and backwards.....education did not change that. See the Jews thought that they could give the rest of the people the finger, keep to themselves and carry one with their tribal ways so long as they performed services, so long as they used their education to do good for the rest, but it often did not work out that way, for instance when the NAZI's came to power. Refusal to assimilate tends to carry charges.
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No, the Jews thought no such thing. They merely attempted to make a better life for themselves in their own countries and the usual thugs went after them.

And yes, the ideology of those thugs was backwards and out of date. In fact, it's much more accurate to say those behind the pogroms were clinging to tribal ways.
 
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