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    Re: Faith and politics[W:398]

    Quote Originally Posted by devildavid View Post
    How do you separate an urge to procreate from sex?
    Having sexual urges for someone of the same sex is not an urge to procreate because a sane person knows that the sex can not result in a child.

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    Re: Faith and politics[W:398]

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    How do you separate an urge to procreate from sex?
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    Re: Faith and politics[W:398]

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Having sexual urges for someone of the same sex is not an urge to procreate because a sane person knows that the sex can not result in a child.
    The sexual urge is the same, regardless. There is no urge to procreate that is separate from sexual urges. Sexual urges are the driving force behind procreation. There is no separate, discrete urge to procreate.
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    Re: Faith and politics[W:398]

    Quote Originally Posted by devildavid View Post
    How do you separate an urge to procreate from sex?
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    Re: Faith and politics[W:398]

    Quote Originally Posted by Elvira View Post
    I absolutely do not believe anything/everything I am told...for example...I do not believe everyone is going to heaven...I do not believe the soul is immortal...I do not believe Jesus is God...I do not believe there is a burning hell where people suffer for all eternity...I do not believe Jesus died on a cross...I do not believe our lives are pre-destined...
    I also don't believe those things. In fact, I've found that the things religious people say are the easiest things not to believe. Don't get me wrong, there are certain aspects of faith that appeal to me, on some level, but I still can't believe them.

    There are different criteria for what I believe as opposed to what I desire. It would be great if an all-powerful being, devoted to justice, existed. We could just sit back and wait for Him to do his thing. However, there is no evidence of such a being and, as far as I can tell, the only justice I've ever seen came from moral humans, not magical gods.

    Even though I think you are harmless, I don't think faith is. It creates intellectual and moral laziness to believe that we can do and think nothing and justice will still prevail. I still struggle with the idea that your individual comfort must be sacrificed to the collective reality but there's no other way. Obviously, the faithful of this world have been extremely irresponsible with their god lust, too often using their fantasies about universal justice to create universal injustice in our shared existence.

    Freedom of conscience is a right that, like the right of gun ownership, demands a reciprocal responsibility from those who enjoy it. There can be NO right that does not also carry a responsibility. Being free to speak does not mean you can go around calling others niggers with no repercussions. Being free to carry a gun does not guarantee you can shoot other people, consequence free. And, being free to form your own moral identity does not, SHOULD not, include the right to imagine that this world is unimportant and, by that belief, remain apathetic to human suffering.

    I would love to find some common, human connection but you are watching the sky when you should be watching the ground in front of you. The ground is where you can find human purpose way more fulfilling than to simply be a repeater of mystical messages. Hunger, sickness and war are real and no god will magically fix those things. To persist in that lie is to declare the very sort of magical apathy that is so common and harmful.

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    Re: Faith and politics[W:398]

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    No, Barny, in the two posts you read there there is a very important avoidance of the word "sex". I said "procreate" specifically because gay men don't fight an urge to procreate since their urges have a 0.0000% chance of procreating. But if you are arguing that gay men fight the urge to have heterosexual sex then I'd have to question whether they are even gay.

    ALSO, I would say that almost everyone is "sex obsessed", it is baked in to our genetic code. How else would you explain the endless efforts our species go through to find ways to have more sexual experiences with less consequences?
    Strain the gnat but swallow the camel. I was talking from a religious point of view. According to the bible God made man and women to procreate and hence sexual urges. The main biblical reason for sex is to procreate. Gay people have those same urges to "procreate" hence sexual urges. But I think you knew that

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    Re: Faith and politics[W:398]

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Having sexual urges for someone of the same sex is not an urge to procreate because a sane person knows that the sex can not result in a child.

    And a sane person would understand the context I was using the word "procreate" in.

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    Re: Faith and politics[W:398]

    Quote Originally Posted by devildavid View Post
    The sexual urge is the same, regardless. There is no urge to procreate that is separate from sexual urges. Sexual urges are the driving force behind procreation. There is no separate, discrete urge to procreate.
    The sexual urge sure, but it isn't an urge to procreate because they can't procreate while acting on their urges.
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    Re: Faith and politics[W:398]

    Quote Originally Posted by Barny View Post
    And a sane person would understand the context I was using the word "procreate" in.

    LOL!! Procreation has a very specific meaning that does not apply to gay sex.

    You don't get to use words incorrectly and then claim context. The word was wrong because of the context.
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    Re: Faith and politics[W:398]

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    The sexual urge sure, but it isn't an urge to procreate because they can't procreate while acting on their urges.
    There is no such thing as procreation urges. There are only sexual urges, which may or may not result in procreation. All sexual urges have the same root cause.
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