Chagos
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What are you talking about?Where does your loyalty lie?
What are you talking about?Where does your loyalty lie?
I know more than you'd like, certainly more than you yourself care to know.do you think he does not know this ?
Which doesn't change the fact that the current government of Turkey still denies that the genocide happened, and goes after those who point out that yes, indeed it was a genocide.
It would be like if in fifteen years a German government which denies the Holocaust ever occurred takes power.
What are you talking about?
So what? Has your government apologized for the blatant slaughter of Native Americans? How responsible do you feel for that black chapter in your country's history?
It was a long time ago. Nobody alive today has anything to feel bad about, including Medusa. What's the friggin' point of some idiot ragging on her constantly about it?
I salute no flag, sing no national anthem and generally feel no heartburn at the sight or mention of ANY country.I'm asking you what country you feel loyal to. You tell me that and then I'm going to bring up some bit of nastiness from your country's history and berate you with it, bring it up every time I see your posts. I'm going to pretend you should feel guilty about it.
So, you're American, right?
Gee buddy, considering that the vast majority of the Native Americans died of disease, it's rather hard to say "sorry that the germs we didn't even really have an effective way of treating at the time spread rapidly enough to wipe out the vats majority of your societies." But if it'll help your conscience, buddy, apologize away.
So ****ing what? The Holocaust was a long time ago too. Should Germans stop caring about it? Hey, Nazism's no big deal. After all, they killed people a long time ago, so nobody in Germany should bother feeling bad about it, right? Hell, sine you seem to have such a crush on the Turkish model of history, let's make it official German policy that the Holocaust never happened! Abso-****ing-lutes brilliant!
Gee, maybe if she'd ****ing admit it actually happened, that'd do for a start. We don't let Holocaust deniers have a free pass; why should people who deny other genocides get one?
After minimizing the role your country played in the slaughter of Native Americans, that's kind of ironic. In fact, the whole defensive tone of your post is revealing.
It happened. But my point is there's no reason you should feel anything like guilt or remorse- it had nothing to do with you and it was a long time ago. And yes, nobody in Germany who wasn't alive at the time should feel guilt or remorse over the Nazi atrocities.
Which (bolded by me) for anyone capable of proper reading, exactly makes my point .in the age of internet people should be seeing some real genocides better than so called ones
You trolled it yourself alone by the OP.dont troll my thread!
Nope, pointing out literal historical facts. I guess they don't teach those in Canada anymore.
Not "defensive" in the slightest. Just annoyed that people seem to favor the rather dumbed down version of history when it comes to desperately defending the crimes of other countries by whining about the US.
But you should, at the very least, acknowledge that it ****ing happened. Your blasé attitude towards genocide is rather interesting, but hey, I guess as long as America isn't the one doing it Canada could care less.
So you think Holocaust denial is a-ok and would be fine if it was implemented as official German state policy at some point down the road? Also rather interesting.
But those denying even today that anything of the sort ever happened, should not be held accountable alone for the contempt they thus show for the victims?~............................It happened. But my point is there's no reason you should feel anything like guilt or remorse- it had nothing to do with you and it was a long time ago. And yes, nobody in Germany who wasn't alive at the time should feel guilt or remorse over the Nazi atrocities.
I salute no flag, sing no national anthem and generally feel no heartburn at the sight or mention of ANY country.
I'm loyal to the concept that people, tribes, groups, nations should bear responsibility for their respective histories. That's not to be confused with individual culpability, seeing how it would be pretty daft to heap guilt on a Turk of today for what his forebears were involved in over a hundred years ago. Or on a German who was barely a kid at the time of the camps or a Belgian who today can just about find the Congo on a map. The list can be expanded to Brits, Yanks, Russians, whoever.
I have no loyalty for people or countries that refuse the acknowledgement necessary for avoiding the repetition of past atrocities (committed) and as such none for those that engage in denial over them having been perpetrated, in the futile attempt of maintaining some sort of ****-eyed national pride.
I respect people, nations etc. that have undertaken the painful task of owning their history with all the painful parts included, and that have drawn conclusions that hopefully preclude repetitions of the unsavoury elements.
As such I respect Germany in general, Japan not so much, but individual exceptions will occur.
As such I also respect Turks like Orhan Pamuk, Ragıp Zarakolu, Arat Dink, Serkis Seropyan and a whole bunch of others, while I hold the state that prosecuted them in contempt. In the same sort of contempt that I hold anyone who supports it by sharing into its ideology-tainted narrative of denial, like the OP has repeatedly shown as doing.
To answer your last question, I'm European. So you can throw any country or nation at me at your pleasure and need not confine yourself to just Europe. I'll answer on any atrocity its history may hold as much as I'll answer on how well or how badly, in my perception, the processing of own history has been handled.
But those denying even today that anything of the sort ever happened, should not be held accountable alone for the contempt they thus show for the victims?
Do you even remotely grasp what this is actually about?
Here, let me help. A Turk of today is not guilty of the genocide committed against the Armenians. A Turk of today that denies it ever happened is, however, guilty of just that. And in the process closes ranks with any neo-Nazi who out of equally perverted reasoning attempts to maintain (or even establish) some sort of national pride that actually suffers by his/her behavior.
Oh, that's who you are. One of those. You know I didn't say anything about holocaust denial, unless (and this might be true, come to think) you have really poor reading comprehension, but you take the words 'shouldn't feel guilt' and build a strawman that's easy to destroy.
There is holocaust denial happening here, though. Guess who's doing it.
Yes, I think so too.Or maybe it's all just a cheap thrill, a chance to score easy points and feel all righteous.
It's done. Your point's been made.
Well, the fact that you appear to see that holds hope for you.Do you really not see yourself, not get how this has been looking for the past I don't know how long?
Gawd. Some people just have no recognition of futility, I guess.
Or maybe it's all just a cheap thrill, a chance to score easy points and feel all righteous.
It's done. Your point's been made. Do you really not see yourself, not get how this has been looking for the past I don't know how long?
Gawd. Some people just have no recognition of futility, I guess.
I suggest you then stick to hurrying past and thus maintain your ignorance on the behaviour of denial that is typical to some. That'll also save you the trouble of recognizing that I deal with Medusa in no way different than I do with others of similar prevaricating behaviour.Ah, all very high and noble. Here I was, thinking you were a low-grade internet stalker, and all along you've been hounding Medusa for the most altruistic reasons. You ought to make this more generally known in the forum- it might stop people rolling their eyes and hurrying past when they see you, yet again, wailing on that dead horse.
Which is the more satisfying- the sound of the stick on the hide or the puff of dust it raises?
Under Section 301 of the Turkish Penal Code, a person convicted of having insulted the Turkish state, e.g. by asserting that the 1915 genocide has taken place, can be sentenced to up to two years in prison.
More than 110,000 people have been detained in the post-coup crackdown; nearly 50,000 of them have been arrested on specific charges, according to Turkey's Ministry of Interior.
Turkey's foreign minister, Mevlut Cavusoglu, defended the government's actions in an interview with CNN's Christiane Amanpour in September. He said that the government had a responsibility to forestall another coup by arresting those involved in the attempt and suspending those who supported it.
In the immediate aftermath of the coup, many in the international community condemned the purge as a "witch hunt" and expressed concern that President Recep Tayyip Erdogan's government was using the coup attempt to target opposition and jail dissidents.
Buddhism never helps these monsters be human ? just like in Bosnia ,the world keeps ignoring this tragedy...
Ah, all very high and noble. Here I was, thinking you were a low-grade internet stalker, and all along you've been hounding Medusa for the most altruistic reasons. You ought to make this more generally known in the forum- it might stop people rolling their eyes and hurrying past when they see you, yet again, wailing on that dead horse.
Which is the more satisfying- the sound of the stick on the hide or the puff of dust it raises?
Well, you can count on your asinine claims being seen, that's for sure.I hope his personal attacks are seen
Fake news even in those times, I tellsya.:lol:we ignored bosnia? funny, I remember first hand differently.
Where, having Turkish friends myself, I've always understood that point, I'd expect, however, anyone thus endangered not to publicly open any can of worms either in the manner that it's been done here.In Turkey, it is still illegal to talk about the fate of the Armenian people.
Lets also not forget it was less than 12 months ago that after the failed coup, Erdogan went out of his way to wipe out and silence all dissidents/opponents.
47,155 arrests: Turkey's post-coup crackdown by the numbers - CNN
My position is that the Armenian Genocide is real and it did happen. I can say that freely. I don't live in a Country where it is forbidden to state that fact. I also don't have to worry about any consequences associated with sharing my views and I'm certainly not going to go out of my way to expect any poster here to engage in conversation that may result in harsh consequences for them.
Buddhism never helps these monsters be human ? just like in Bosnia ,the world keeps ignoring this tragedy...
is well advised not to visit Turkey right now
P.S. Which takes nothing away from the fact that the claim of the world having ignored the war in Bosnia, constitutes a load of bumpf.