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    Re: Islamophiles Prove Our Point

    Quote Originally Posted by coldjoint View Post
    Which one of those say all Muslims are terrorists? .................~
    Lo, see coldjoint squirming and scuttling again.

    To his challenge of (him) lumping all Muslims together, he ignores the fact that he has called all of them liars, bigots and hateful as well as advocating for the annihilation of their religion altogether.

    Thus pretending that calling out his "lumping" is a falsehood.

    What greater display of dishonesty can one ask for than his here?
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    Re: Islamophiles Prove Our Point

    Quote Originally Posted by Chagos View Post
    Lo, see coldjoint squirming and scuttling again.

    To his challenge of (him) lumping all Muslims together, he ignores the fact that he has called all of them liars, bigots and hateful as well as advocating for the annihilation of their religion altogether.

    Thus pretending that calling out his "lumping" is a falsehood.

    What greater display of dishonesty can one ask for than his here?
    I just explained those comments. Do you think Islam is not hateful and bigoted? I would like to see you prove it.

    The bolded is a lie and you know it. I fully expect you to disappear rather than pursue this.
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    Re: Islamophiles Prove Our Point

    Quote Originally Posted by coldjoint View Post
    I just explained those comments.
    You have done nothing of the sort
    Do you think Islam is not hateful and bigoted? I would like to see you prove it.
    Can't count the number of times I've explained to you how I won't discuss (any) religion with your ilk and why not. Same goes for constantly having explained to you why to me you are not eligible to demand proof of anything

    The bolded is a lie and you know it.
    You've actually confirmed having said it (and not just that) with your dishonest claim (see above) of having explained what you said and why.
    I fully expect you to disappear rather than pursue this.
    That goes to show in what fantasies you indulge yourself.

    How about "terror is Islamic"?

    How about "Islam supports terror" ?
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    Re: Islamophiles Prove Our Point

    Quote Originally Posted by Chagos View Post
    You have done nothing of the sortCan't count the number of times I've explained to you how I won't discuss (any) religion with your ilk and why not. Same goes for constantly having explained to you why to me you are not eligible to demand proof of anything

    You've actually confirmed having said it (and not just that) with your dishonest claim (see above) of having explained what you said and why.That goes to show in what fantasies you indulge yourself.

    How about "terror is Islamic"?

    How about "Islam supports terror" ?
    Terror is tactic in the doctrines arsenal. It is most certainly Islamic when Islamiists do it. So Islam endorses and rewards terror. So your first comment(question) is true. You just do not like the fact it is.

    The second is also true. It is written and complete and unchangeable. Islam does support terror.

    Of course you are welcome to dispute the truth, but somehow I don't think you will. That means showing how Islam is not what it says it is, doesn't it?
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    Re: Islamophiles Prove Our Point

    Quote Originally Posted by coldjoint View Post
    Terror is tactic in the doctrines arsenal. It is most certainly Islamic when Islamiists do it. So Islam endorses and rewards terror. So your first comment(question) is true. You just do not like the fact it is.

    The second is also true. It is written and complete and unchangeable. Islam does support terror.

    Of course you are welcome to dispute the truth, but somehow I don't think you will. That means showing how Islam is not what it says it is, doesn't it?
    Another futile attempt of yours to paint yourself out of the corner of summarily having condemned a whole religion and all of its followers.

    Knowing nothing about the one as much as about the other(s).

    And still never having explained of how your desire of annihilating the one without annihilating the other(s) could possibly be achieved.

    The annihilation of that religion (to bring us back to what you wish to deflect from as much as from the other statements of yours raised here) having been expressed as your desire.

    Or are you going to lie about that one as much as about your other statements never having been uttered or "explained"?
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    Re: Islamophiles Prove Our Point

    I am not supposed to defend myself against lies. I never said "annihilating". And use of a word like that is misrepresenting what I said. Instead of "all" as claimed it is the Muslims who take Muhammad to heart, and the ones that give support. That is not all Muslims and we have already proven peaceful Muslims are irrelevant to what the religion says.

    That issue has never been addressed seriously by the people that accuse me of these things. Why?

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    Re: Islamophiles Prove Our Point

    So. to address thread topic (and premise presented in OP), let's reiterate.

    1) What is known:

    - The residents of the municipality of Bondi Beach (Sydney) opposed the construction of a synagogue on grounds of such a building, specifically in view of the religion it represents, constituting a security risk in that attacks on visitors (possibly extending to others in the vicinity) could be expected.

    - The council has followed the line of argument and denied permission, with a court subsequently confirming (and upholding) that decision. Question being, has it really, when surmising the last point raised here towards the end?

    2) What is also known (and has been presented here):

    - There exists within parts of Australian society an undercurrent of anti-semitism that has led to abuse of Jews, attacks upon them and has shown to be on the rise (of incidents occurring) in 2016. This has also led to synagogues being attacked, albeit in the "mere" material manner of being smeared with anti-semitic slogans, graffiti etc. but that takes nothing away from physical attacks upon Jews having happened altogether.

    - The concerns voiced by residents over security risks addressed potential attacks in general, specific concerns of (equally specific) attacks by jihadists were neither part of the council's objection nor of the court ruling (in its favour).

    3) What is equally known but takes the whole issue to levels of ridiculousness where the council's arguments (and subsequently those of the court) are concerned:

    - Both council and court used the proposed design as evidence of the construction posing a security risk, yet (Catch-22)...............

    - the council also said if the design was changed to boost security (presumably so lessening the risk) this would be unacceptable because it would be too unsightly for the neighborhood.

    4) What one may speculate upon (such speculations taking the place of knowledge as little as the original premise here:

    - does the security risk seen by the residents of Bondi beach reside in their knowledge of Jews being "unpopular" with many Australians (whatever their number may be), this condition then leading to the assumption of future attacks?

    - Is anti-semitism shared into in Bondi beach and if so, by how many, on the pretext of "we don't want a synagogue here, it's not representative of the nature of our neighborhood"?

    - Why, (if we follow the premise of jihadims posing the greatest threat to "other" houses of worship) did no such concerns arise (from "unsightly" to "could incur attacks") over (just one) new Christian church opening next month in greater Sydney? Considering that IS has repeatedly declared war not just on "the West" but on Christianity in general? Putting that declaration of war into action by attacking Christians and their houses of worship all over the M.E. and in one instance so far (thankfully, in it as yet having been only one) in France?

    - do equal concerns by the same council extend to the Central synagogue at Bondi junction, nor far from the location described here and serviced by the very council?

    - Indeed, seeing how the opinion piece that the OP links to states the council as being primarily responsible for refusing building permission, what is one to make of this?

    WAVERLEY Council has distanced itself from a court decision to ban a synagogue in Bondi Beach because of concerns it would be a target for Islamic terrorism.

    A Waverley Council spokeswoman said the applicant group, Friends of Refugees of Eastern Europe (FREE), had lodged the original development with council last year.

    When council had not dealt with it after 40 days, it was deemed refused and FREE sought a ruling from the Environment Court.

    “It was the Land and Environment Court’s decision to dismiss the appeal put forward by the applicant and refuse the development application,” a council spokeswoman said. Waverley Council general manager Cathy Henderson said that if the applicant resubmitted a development application, council would assess it.

    “I’m not a lawyer but the court decision yesterday, to me, has the character of a technical planning decision,” she said.
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    A technical planning decision (at least as far as the general manager of Waverley Council sees it as being) constitutes caving in to Islamic terrorism?

    Does anyone else see that reasons are manifold and the exclusive one given in the premise initially presented by this thread can hardly be seen as logically conclusive?
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    Re: Islamophiles Prove Our Point

    Quote Originally Posted by Chagos View Post
    So. to address thread topic (and premise presented in OP), let's reiterate.

    1) What is known:

    - The residents of the municipality of Bondi Beach (Sydney) opposed the construction of a synagogue on grounds of such a building, specifically in view of the religion it represents, constituting a security risk in that attacks on visitors (possibly extending to others in the vicinity) could be expected.

    - The council has followed the line of argument and denied permission, with a court subsequently confirming (and upholding) that decision. Question being, has it really, when surmising the last point raised here towards the end?

    2) What is also known (and has been presented here):

    - There exists within parts of Australian society an undercurrent of anti-semitism that has led to abuse of Jews, attacks upon them and has shown to be on the rise (of incidents occurring) in 2016. This has also led to synagogues being attacked, albeit in the "mere" material manner of being smeared with anti-semitic slogans, graffiti etc. but that takes nothing away from physical attacks upon Jews having happened altogether.

    - The concerns voiced by residents over security risks addressed potential attacks in general, specific concerns of (equally specific) attacks by jihadists were neither part of the council's objection nor of the court ruling (in its favour).

    3) What is equally known but takes the whole issue to levels of ridiculousness where the council's arguments (and subsequently those of the court) are concerned:

    - Both council and court used the proposed design as evidence of the construction posing a security risk, yet (Catch-22)...............

    - the council also said if the design was changed to boost security (presumably so lessening the risk) this would be unacceptable because it would be too unsightly for the neighborhood.

    4) What one may speculate upon (such speculations taking the place of knowledge as little as the original premise here:

    - does the security risk seen by the residents of Bondi beach reside in their knowledge of Jews being "unpopular" with many Australians (whatever their number may be), this condition then leading to the assumption of future attacks?

    - Is anti-semitism shared into in Bondi beach and if so, by how many, on the pretext of "we don't want a synagogue here, it's not representative of the nature of our neighborhood"?

    - Why, (if we follow the premise of jihadims posing the greatest threat to "other" houses of worship) did no such concerns arise (from "unsightly" to "could incur attacks") over (just one) new Christian church opening next month in greater Sydney? Considering that IS has repeatedly declared war not just on "the West" but on Christianity in general? Putting that declaration of war into action by attacking Christians and their houses of worship all over the M.E. and in one instance so far (thankfully, in it as yet having been only one) in France?

    - do equal concerns by the same council extend to the Central synagogue at Bondi junction, nor far from the location described here and serviced by the very council?

    - Indeed, seeing how the opinion piece that the OP links to states the council as being primarily responsible for refusing building permission, what is one to make of this?

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    A technical planning decision (at least as far as the general manager of Waverley Council sees it as being) constitutes caving in to Islamic terrorism?

    Does anyone else see that reasons are manifold and the exclusive one given in the premise initially presented by this thread can hardly be seen as logically conclusive?
    When a bomb blows up it kills people. That is a logical conclusion and the main reason for no synagogue. The best you will get from me is we will never know because of the dishonesty( and intimidation again, as demonstrated in Paris) most mainstream outlets use when discussing Islam. You can post pages of studies until you turn blue. It does not prove anything.

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    Re: Islamophiles Prove Our Point

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Oh I think I and most of us on the right probably see the problems more clearly than you may be able to see.
    Of course you do. But you don't show any evidence that this is accurate. Every time we speak I poke plenty of holes in your "conservatives are better than liberals" argument and you always just blindly ignore those holes.

    We just see different problems than what the Trump haters see. And most of us can actually discuss a topic without going ad hominem or being personally insulting. You might try it some time. You might actually like it.
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