White Christian conservatives should oppose protests by white supremacists

Bruce Ashford is the Provost and Dean of Faculty of the Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary in Wake Forest, North Carolina. He says that claiming whites are superior to others is in opposition to Biblical Christianity, that God values diversity, and that all of us, irrespective of race, are created in His image:
God sent his son – a brown Middle Eastern man – to save the whole world, including sinners of every race and ethnicity (John 3:16). Genuine Christianity overcomes social, ethnic, and gender barriers (Galatians 3:26, 28).

That is why we should fight white nationalism and other forms of racism tooth-and-nail, not only from the voting booth, but in our neighborhoods, at our churches, and on our social media. We should fight it when it takes the form of personal prejudice; when a person of one ethnic heritage intentionally denigrates or harms a person of another ethnic heritage. White Christian conservatives should oppose protests by white supremacists | Fox News

Agree totally.

I agree.

nota bene said:

Bruce Ashford is the Provost and Dean of Faculty of the Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary in Wake Forest, North Carolina. He says that claiming whites are superior to others is in opposition to Biblical Christianity, that God values diversity, and that all of us, irrespective of race, are created in His image:
God sent his son – a brown Middle Eastern man – to save the whole world, including sinners of every race and ethnicity (John 3:16). Genuine Christianity overcomes social, ethnic, and gender barriers (Galatians 3:26, 28).

That is why we should fight white nationalism and other forms of racism tooth-and-nail, not only from the voting booth, but in our neighborhoods, at our churches, and on our social media. We should fight it when it takes the form of personal prejudice; when a person of one ethnic heritage intentionally denigrates or harms a person of another ethnic heritage. White Christian conservatives should oppose protests by white supremacists | Fox News

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Agreed and in my experience the vast majority of us do. In fact in my experience the vast majority of people do period. I don't think christians need singled out in the need to oppose those nuts though. We ALL need to oppose them, within reason of course.

nota bene said:

Bruce Ashford is the Provost and Dean of Faculty of the Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary in Wake Forest, North Carolina. He says that claiming whites are superior to others is in opposition to Biblical Christianity, that God values diversity, and that all of us, irrespective of race, are created in His image:
God sent his son – a brown Middle Eastern man – to save the whole world, including sinners of every race and ethnicity (John 3:16). Genuine Christianity overcomes social, ethnic, and gender barriers (Galatians 3:26, 28).

That is why we should fight white nationalism and other forms of racism tooth-and-nail, not only from the voting booth, but in our neighborhoods, at our churches, and on our social media. We should fight it when it takes the form of personal prejudice; when a person of one ethnic heritage intentionally denigrates or harms a person of another ethnic heritage. White Christian conservatives should oppose protests by white supremacists | Fox News

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Of course we should.

One issue though is that most sensible people don't want to go anywhere near a place where white supremacists are holding a protest, march or meeting. If counterprotesters are also going to be present, especially perhaps agitated ones inclined to bad behavior (ie antifa), most people with sense are going to stay home and see what's on tv and let the idiots commit mayhem on each other without dignifying the mess with their presence.


This is entirely reasonable and sensible and in accord with the Biblical principal "go not after a multitude to do evil" and "as much as it depends on you, try to live in peace with all men."

I've stood in between crowds of angry protesters and counterprotesters on the National Mall in DC. Not fun. These days I stay far away from such events.


I don't picket, I don't march, I don't go where such things are going on. Mobs of agitated people tend to do stupid things, and I prefer to have no part in them.


Nor does all this carrying-on tend to accomplish much of anything in most cases.

I oppose supremacists by not being one, not supporting them, not encouraging them, and so forth. If they come where I am they will not be at all welcome... but I will not go seek them out.


Believe it or not, its a free country and they are entitled to their opinion, loony as it is, as long as they don't do overt harm to anyone.


In any case they are a tiny and shrinking minority, and not really a major threat to the nation.

LaylaWindu said:

Agreed and in my experience the vast majority of us do. In fact in my experience the vast majority of people do period. I don't think christians need singled out in the need to oppose those nuts though. We ALL need to oppose them, within reason of course.

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I don't know. I don't really know what white nationalists preach at all but if they attempt to use God as a way to justify their idiocy, maybe we, as people who they're supposedly speaking on behalf of, do have a greater responsibility to make it clear they're not speaking for anyone other than themselves.

It's nice to see that Christian conservatives that are not part of the extreme are finally willing to speak up more. Although they have not been totally silent, they have been too quiet in not opposing the very vocal minority that hijacked Christian conservatism for racist and political purposes.

Does White Nationalism claim to be a Christian movement? I know the KKK did, but I don't think White Nationalists, in general, make much of a point about religion.

Skeptic Bob said:

Does White Nationalism claim to be a Christian movement? I know the KKK did, but I don't think White Nationalists, in general, make much of a point about religion.

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Some do, some don't. There are 40-11-dozen splinter groups who constantly anathematize each other over various ideological points and are rarely in agreement on many things, other than Caucasians Uber Alles.

The ones that are allegedly religious have some very peculiar and non-Biblical theology.

Skeptic Bob said:

Does White Nationalism claim to be a Christian movement? I know the KKK did, but I don't think White Nationalists, in general, make much of a point about religion.

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Honestly, the klan using the cross as one of their symbols pisses me off more than anything any leftwinger or opposing political view ever has.

Skeptic Bob said:

Does White Nationalism claim to be a Christian movement? I know the KKK did, but I don't think White Nationalists, in general, make much of a point about religion.

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Now that you mention it, I don't think they do claim to be a christian movement. I just think they happen to be christian, ya know, the kind that seldom go to church and listen to the crazy pastors on tv to make it up. That's the impression I get from them.

Having lived in the south, knowing that white supremacists are not a fringe/extremist group, but a widespread cultural belief that is fairly mainstream in a number of areas, primarily in the south, I'd say the more the merrier.

Organized, Christian religious groups are organized and widespread, which makes the supporting a position more powerful.
Calling out Christian organized religion, which is also coincidentally popular in southern states, to condemn white supremacy, is a good move IMO.

nota bene said:

Bruce Ashford is the Provost and Dean of Faculty of the Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary in Wake Forest, North Carolina. He says that claiming whites are superior to others is in opposition to Biblical Christianity, that God values diversity, and that all of us, irrespective of race, are created in His image:
God sent his son – a brown Middle Eastern man – to save the whole world, including sinners of every race and ethnicity (John 3:16). Genuine Christianity overcomes social, ethnic, and gender barriers (Galatians 3:26, 28).

That is why we should fight white nationalism and other forms of racism tooth-and-nail, not only from the voting booth, but in our neighborhoods, at our churches, and on our social media. We should fight it when it takes the form of personal prejudice; when a person of one ethnic heritage intentionally denigrates or harms a person of another ethnic heritage. White Christian conservatives should oppose protests by white supremacists | Fox News

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All for opposing them and we should on every front possible. These loons know their time is coming to an end, with overall hate down in america and rights up they finally see the writing on the wall. Their ways are not only long gone but number, unfortunately they will never disappear in my life time or even my great grandkids life time but it gets thinner and thinner and they see it.

i am happy rights and equality are making such big strides that it makes these whackjobs heads want to explode they are lashing out and its only gonna get worse for them. Everybody needs to oppose them, no one group because white Christian conservatives have nothign to do with these morons and honest educated people know that.

ThoughtEx. said:

Now that you mention it, I don't think they do claim to be a christian movement. I just think they happen to be christian, ya know, the kind that seldom go to church and listen to the crazy pastors on tv to make it up. That's the impression I get from them.

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That is my impression. I mean, most white Americans and Europeans are Christian so statistically most White Nationalists are going to fall into that group. But I don't think agnostic or atheist whites are prohibited from joining the movement at large. Though, as Goshin mentioned, I am sure there are splinter groups that do require one profess a Christian faith.

nota bene said:

Bruce Ashford is the Provost and Dean of Faculty of the Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary in Wake Forest, North Carolina. He says that claiming whites are superior to others is in opposition to Biblical Christianity, that God values diversity, and that all of us, irrespective of race, are created in His image:
God sent his son – a brown Middle Eastern man – to save the whole world, including sinners of every race and ethnicity (John 3:16). Genuine Christianity overcomes social, ethnic, and gender barriers (Galatians 3:26, 28).

That is why we should fight white nationalism and other forms of racism tooth-and-nail, not only from the voting booth, but in our neighborhoods, at our churches, and on our social media. We should fight it when it takes the form of personal prejudice; when a person of one ethnic heritage intentionally denigrates or harms a person of another ethnic heritage. White Christian conservatives should oppose protests by white supremacists | Fox News

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How do you get "White Supremacist" out of protesting taking down a Robt. E. Lee statue?

Try to get a grip on what happened.

Right wingers were protesting the removal of a Robt. E. Lee statue and were attacked by a mob of left wingers. Both sides were mostly white. How do you tell which side is white supremacist?

This a clash between Left Supremacists and Right Supremacists.

Vox said:

How do you get "White Supremacist" out of protesting taking down a Robt. E. Lee statue?

Try to get a grip on what happened.

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Don't tell me to get a grip. Instead, be concerned that you see what isn't there. I didn't use the term "white supremacist" in the OP, and neither did Bruce Ashford.

X Factor said:

Honestly, the klan using the cross as one of their symbols pisses me off more than anything any leftwinger or opposing political view ever has.

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I never really understood the burning cross thing.

Vox said:

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Right wingers were protesting the removal of a Robt. E. Lee statue and were attacked by a mob of left wingers. Both sides were mostly white. How do you tell which side is white supremacist?

This a clash between Left Supremacists and Right Supremacists.

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Could be. I don't really know, not really paying a lot of attention, and I'm sure not going down there to ask someone.


I'm not too keen on all this knocking down statues of Confederates, as if it will "make it didn't happen".... but I'm not interested in getting mixed up in all this hooyah and mayhem going on either.

What the hell does a Robert E. Lee statue have to do with the pictures I saw of the 'protesters' who were doing the Nazi salute?

Wrong war.

Goshin said:

I never really understood the burning cross thing.

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I know, it's always seemed like a desecration to me. They say they're "lighting" it or something. Them using a cross for their hateful purpose is a desecration all on its own.

How did you fight it today?

VanceMack said:

How did you fight it today?

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By not feeding the troll.



(ie not going anywhere near that mess or dignifying any of the loonies, left or right, with my presence.)

X Factor said:

Honestly, the klan using the cross as one of their symbols pisses me off more than anything any leftwinger or opposing political view ever has.

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Why is that? Does one sect of Christians have a monopoly on the use of symbols? I saw a Hindu symbol once that bore a striking resemblance to a swastika.

X Factor said:

I don't know. I don't really know what white nationalists preach at all but if they attempt to use God as a way to justify their idiocy, maybe we, as people who they're supposedly speaking on behalf of, do have a greater responsibility to make it clear they're not speaking for anyone other than themselves.

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Nope I disagree. I don't feel any "greater" responsibility at all . . . why would I? There's no real reason to, no logic behind it. Theres good and bad. These nuts are bad, period. What they claim to be doesn't matter. What they are doing is wrong so I already feel a responsibility to oppose it.

When a person is doing wrong them being a 5'8, black haired, white, christian, mother, engineer, right leaning, artistic, gun carrying, female doesn't inspire me extra to speak out against them because those things match me. No more that if they were 6'4, bald, black, muslim, single, police officer, left leaning, idealist, male who was doing wrong.
None of those things have to do with the person being wrong :shrug:

Goshin said:

I never really understood the burning cross thing.

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Tell me you're kidding. Please tell me you're kidding. On the lawn of EVERY Methodist church in the county I live (which is very large, btw) you will see a cross with a flame at the bottom. It is symbolic for showing that Christ is the light of the world.

I've been told the Lutherans use the symbol as well.