Jihad vs Crusades

My guess is that fewer Muslims worldwide are interested in going on Jihads than some Alt-right Christians in the USA are interested in going on Crusades.

Let's wait and see what happens.

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I'm sure that arms makers would be happy to see a world wide religious war no matter who wins.

Theres no need for guessing.

There are trackers keeping records.

How Many People Have Been Killed
in ISIS Attacks Around the World


Descriptions of the Major Attacks
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Date Location Details
July 14, 2016
France A man driving a truck barreled down a crowded beach promenade as people gathered to celebrate Bastille Day. More »
July 1, 2016
Bangladesh Gunmen detonated explosives and took a number of people hostage at a restaurant in Dhaka. More »
June 30, 2016
Egypt A gunman fatally shot a Christian minister in El Arish, the main town in northern Sinai. More »
June 29, 2016
Turkey At least 44 people were killed and 238 people wounded in suicide bombings at Istanbul's main international aiport. Turkey blamed the Islamic State for the attack. More »
June 28, 2016
Malaysia A grenade attack at a nightclub that injured eight people is thought to have been the first attack in Malaysia tied to the Islamic State. More »
June 13, 2016
France A police captain was fatally stabbed and his companion was also killed at their home in a small town northwest of Paris. More »
June 12, 2016
Florida A man who called 911 to proclaim allegiance to the Islamic State terrorist group, and who had been investigated in the past for possible terrorist ties, stormed a gay nightclub wielding an assault rifle and a pistol and carried out the worst mass shooting in United States history. More »
June 7, 2016
Bangladesh A Hindu priest was attacked while riding a bicycle in a rural area not far from his home and hacked to death. More »
June 5, 2016
Bangladesh A Christian man was hacked to death in his grocery store. More »
May 8, 2016
Egypt Gunmen sprayed bullets on a police minibus as it passed through a Cairo district, killing eight plainclothes officers in an ambush. More »
April 30, 2016
Bangladesh A Hindu tailor who had been briefly jailed several years ago over accusations that he made an unfavorable comment about the Prophet Muhammad was hacked to death near his shop in central Bangladesh. More »
April 23, 2016
Bangladesh A university professor was hacked to death and nearly beheaded in an attack near his home in the northwest city of Rajshai. More »
March 22, 2016
Belgium A series of deadly terrorist attacks struck Brussels, with two explosions at the city’s main international airport and a third in a subway station at the heart of the city, near the headquarters complex of the European Union. More »
March 19, 2016
Turkey A suicide bombing on Istanbul's busiest thoroughfare killed three Israeli citizens and an Iranian. Two of the Israelis held dual Israeli-American citizenship. More »
March 4, 2016
Yemen Gunmen killed 18 people at a nursing home founded by Mother Teresa and run by Christian nuns. More »
Jan. 29, 2016
Yemen A bomb-packed car driven by a suicide attacker exploded at a checkpoint near the presidential palace in the southern city of Aden, killing at least eight people. More »
Jan. 14, 2016
Indonesia ISIS claimed responsibility for explosions and gunfire that rocked central Jakarta, killing at least two civilians. More »
Jan. 12, 2016
Turkey A Syrian suicide bomber set off an explosion in the historic central district of Istanbul, killing 10 people and wounding at least 15 others, in an attack the Turkish government attributed to ISIS. More »
Jan. 11, 2016
France A teenager attacked a Jewish teacher with a machete in Marseille, and afterward told the police that he had carried out the attack in the name of God and the Islamic State.
Jan. 8, 2016
Egypt Gunmen reportedly carrying an ISIS flag opened fire at a Red Sea resort, injuring at least two tourists. More »
Jan. 7, 2016
Egypt ISIS claimed responsibility for an attack on a hotel in Cairo near the pyramids at Giza. No one was hurt. More »
Jan. 7, 2016
Pennsylvania A man shot and wounded a Philadelphia police officer sitting in a patrol car in the name of Islam and the Islamic State, police said. More »
Jan. 4, 2016
Libya Islamic State militants attempted to capture an oil port along Libya’s coast, in fighting that left at least seven people dead.
Dec. 7, 2015
Yemen The Islamic State claimed responsibility for a car bomb that killed a provincial governor and eight of his body guards. More »
Dec. 2, 2015
California A married couple shot and killed 14 people in San Bernardino, Calif. The FBI is investigating the shooting as an act of terrorism inspired by ISIS. More »
Nov. 26, 2015
Bangladesh ISIS claimed responsiblity for an attack on a Shiite mosque during evening prayer in which gunmen opened fire on worshipers with machine guns, killing one man and injuring three others. More »

Theres pages more if you are interested.

shrubnose said:

My guess is that fewer Muslims worldwide are interested in going on Jihads than some Alt-right Christians in the USA are interested in going on Crusades.

Let's wait and see what happens.

:lol:
I'm sure that arms makers would be happy to see a world wide religious war no matter who wins.

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Arms makers and their stock holders, like me.
Can I guess you would be on the Radical Islamic side shooting at the Christians?
Nice to know you know so much about the USA when you don't even live here, or refuse to do so.
and conversely, you also now seem to know all about Islamic nations too?

Remember that movie, Lord of War? At the end they list China, Russia, the USA, France, and the UK as the biggest arms dealers in the whole world, yet they are also voting members of the UN Security Council.
Now there is a racket if there ever was one.

shrubnose said:

My guess is that fewer Muslims worldwide are interested in going on Jihads than some Alt-right Christians in the USA are interested in going on Crusades.

Let's wait and see what happens.

:lol:
I'm sure that arms makers would be happy to see a world wide religious war no matter who wins.

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A curious guess not born out by reality.

shrubnose said:

My guess is that fewer Muslims worldwide are interested in going on Jihads than some Alt-right Christians in the USA are interested in going on Crusades.

Let's wait and see what happens.

:lol:
I'm sure that arms makers would be happy to see a world wide religious war no matter who wins.

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Seeing that the radical Islamist's goal is to kill infidels (non Muslims) and the Crusades goal was to protect Christians and Jews from being slaughtered on their way to and from Jerusalem and to protect trade routes from the middle east to Europe... I dont get your question...they seem to be completely differing items to choose from.

Imnukingfutz said:

Seeing that the radical Islamist's goal is to kill infidels (non Muslims) and the Crusades goal was to protect Christians and Jews from being slaughtered on their way to and from Jerusalem and to protect trade routes from the middle east to Europe...

I dont get your question..

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.they seem to be completely differing items to choose from.

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It wasn't a question,it was a statement.

Since there are about twice as many Christians on this planet as there are Muslims the Christians will probably win this kerfuffle.

Let's wait a few thousand years and see,eh?

Have a nice day.

shrubnose said:

Let's wait a few thousand years and see,eh?

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Okay, you're DEFINITELY not going to be around for that mile marker, Shrubnose, and neither will he!

shrubnose said:

My guess is that fewer Muslims worldwide are interested in going on Jihads than some Alt-right Christians in the USA are interested in going on Crusades.

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I think there are fewer alt-right people in America than there are most other political strips in the united states.

Let's wait and see what happens.

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Nothing regarding a crusade ever will. The "alt-right" will continue antagonizing the ultra left.

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I'm sure that arms makers would be happy to see a world wide religious war no matter who wins.

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Well, I'm not sure any nation can rise a religious army. I'm not sure China Japan and Europe have asn't religion. And north America seems to be very secular. I suppose bits of Africa, a nation or two in south America and bits of the middle East could. But the secular world doesn't really care much for that so it won't go anywhere.

I was hoping this was about the original crusades.

shrubnose said:

My guess is that fewer Muslims worldwide are interested in going on Jihads than some Alt-right Christians in the USA are interested in going on Crusades.

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And the winner of the Over-The-Top award goes tooo................

shrubnose said:

My guess is that fewer Muslims worldwide are interested in going on Jihads than some Alt-right Christians in the USA are interested in going on Crusades.

Let's wait and see what happens.

:lol:
I'm sure that arms makers would be happy to see a world wide religious war no matter who wins.

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I was reared Catholic and that was the religion put on my dog-tags. I was awarded the Southwest Asia medal for my time in the 1st Gulf War, for service in the Secular Crusade of the West. I say West because there were other secular Western nations over there.

You apparently don't know a thing about the "Crusades" that occurred centuries ago. The City of Rome itself as well as the Vatican were sacked and looted by Muslim pirates, around 30,000 Muslim horsemen had already advanced into what is now France until they were stopped by my Germanic ancestors at tours under the leadership of Charles "The Hammer" Martel. Constantinople had already been attacked by Muslims more than once. The Holy Sees of Alexandria, Antioch, and Jerusalem had fallen. North Africa (once Christian and intellectual center of Roman Catholicism--no it was not Italy nor anywhere in Europe) was swept away into Islam and so was much of Spain.

When I talk of the Holy Sees of Alexandria, Antioch, Jerusalem, Rome, and later Constantinople the best equivalent way of understanding there notoriety within Christianity is to think of the major Secular Sees of the West today like New York City, London, Paris, Milan, Berlin.

Now, contrary to soft, womanish behind of secular men of the West today the collapse of the Twin Towers in New York City were but a gentle pat on the behind, relative to full invasions and take downs of former major Holy Sees of Christianity and the literal invasion and looting of one of them before Muslim pirates departed.

It took centuries before a call for a "War for the Cross" came from the Pope of Rome. Requested by Bishops of the East to help Eastern Christians. And no one called it a "Crusade" that is some propaganda garbage created by anti-Catholics. How about I call WWII a "Crusade of Western Intolerance against a kind, gentle, Germany and Japan"? I have ancestors that fought in WWII as well. Just like I have German-American ancestors that fought for the State of Wisconsin (Union) in the US Civil War. What the South terms "The War of Northern Aggression." So, calling the War for the Cross the "Crusades" is like calling the US Civil War "The War of Northern Aggression." Same damned thing. There was "crusade" tax the Pope eventually imposed to help finance what we know as "the Crusades." But even then most historians minimize the Crusades to a sphere to which they feel they can spread anti-Christianity.

The actual Crusades included the re-taking of Spain and many centuries worth of battles against Muslim empires. The Battle of Lepanto (naval battle) and Battle of Vienna were part of the Crusades. The Western victories of both is why you are not speaking Turkic today.





The Crusades were fought in foreign territory for the same damned reason I learned in the US Marine Corps and why the US took its secular jihadist behind to Afghanistan: "The best defense is a good offense."



Semper.

The other--more important point I should make--is that Western Christianity (not really Eastern Christianity either) can not muster young, male, Christian recruits in any significant numbers to fight for a Christian cause.

Islam is hands down supreme in that. Maybe the Jews rival them or come in second behind them (you know, the will to fight for the nation-state of Israel).

There are a few locations that produce most the Muslim worlds jihadists. I used to remember at least 2 or 3 of them. But I've forgotten except for 1 I remember. That 1 I remember is Chechnya.

There is no--period, point blank--equivalency in the whole of the Western Christian world to literal centers on earth that export jihadist across the globe.

FastPace said:

I was reared Catholic and that was the religion put on my dog-tags. I was awarded the Southwest Asia medal for my time in the 1st Gulf War, for service in the Secular Crusade of the West. I say West because there were other secular Western nations over there.

You apparently don't know a thing about the "Crusades" that occurred centuries ago. The City of Rome itself as well as the Vatican were sacked and looted by Muslim pirates, around 30,000 Muslim horsemen had already advanced into what is now France until they were stopped by my Germanic ancestors at tours under the leadership of Charles "The Hammer" Martel. Constantinople had already been attacked by Muslims more than once. The Holy Sees of Alexandria, Antioch, and Jerusalem had fallen. North Africa (once Christian and intellectual center of Roman Catholicism--no it was not Italy nor anywhere in Europe) was swept away into Islam and so was much of Spain.

When I talk of the Holy Sees of Alexandria, Antioch, Jerusalem, Rome, and later Constantinople the best equivalent way of understanding there notoriety within Christianity is to think of the major Secular Sees of the West today like New York City, London, Paris, Milan, Berlin.

Now, contrary to soft, womanish behind of secular men of the West today the collapse of the Twin Towers in New York City were but a gentle pat on the behind, relative to full invasions and take downs of former major Holy Sees of Christianity and the literal invasion and looting of one of them before Muslim pirates departed.

It took centuries before a call for a "War for the Cross" came from the Pope of Rome. Requested by Bishops of the East to help Eastern Christians. And no one called it a "Crusade" that is some propaganda garbage created by anti-Catholics. How about I call WWII a "Crusade of Western Intolerance against a kind, gentle, Germany and Japan"? I have ancestors that fought in WWII as well. Just like

I have German-American ancestors that fought for the State of Wisconsin (Union) in the US Civil War.

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What the South terms "The War of Northern Aggression." So, calling the War for the Cross the "Crusades" is like calling the US Civil War "The War of Northern Aggression." Same damned thing. There was "crusade" tax the Pope eventually imposed to help finance what we know as "the Crusades." But even then most historians minimize the Crusades to a sphere to which they feel they can spread anti-Christianity.

The actual Crusades included the re-taking of Spain and many centuries worth of battles against Muslim empires. The Battle of Lepanto (naval battle) and Battle of Vienna were part of the Crusades. The Western victories of both is why you are not speaking Turkic today.





The Crusades were fought in foreign territory for the same damned reason I learned in the US Marine Corps and why the US took its secular jihadist behind to Afghanistan: "The best defense is a good offense."



Semper.

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Your German-German relatives got their butts handed to them in WWII.

Deal with it.

:lol:

Have a nice millisecond.

shrubnose said:

My guess is that fewer Muslims worldwide are interested in going on Jihads than some Alt-right Christians in the USA are interested in going on Crusades.

Let's wait and see what happens.

:lol:
I'm sure that arms makers would be happy to see a world wide religious war no matter who wins.

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Not that this is a jihad... but it's something that contemporary Christian men as a big mob have yet to do. I doubt they will. Maybe some day 5 or 10 Christian men somewhere might. I don't know.

But imagine if 300 Southern Baptist men in Alabama did something like this to an elderly Muslim mother, or 300 Catholic Italian men in Naples did something like this to an elderly Muslims mother? It would make international news. Damned CNN wouldn't be able to shut their traps about it.

I suspect the mob of Muslim en did this to shame the elderly woman's son (and her). A point of men sticking out their chest trying to show who has the biggest penis. Making a point of not touching "their women."

Egyptian Coptic Christian Lady Forgives Muslims Mob that Dragged her Naked!

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Published on May 27, 2016

This is the Egyptian Coptic Christian 70-year old that was dragged by a 300-Men Muslim mob. Her first time speaking to the media and what she said about the attackers will shock you!

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Woman Stripped Naked, Dragged Has Message for Her Attackers | CBN News

A 70-year-old woman in Egypt who was stripped naked and paraded through the streets of El Minya has forgiven her attackers.

"I forgive them and may God forgive them," Souad Thabet Abdalla told Egyptian news outlets.

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Wait... no lawsuit? Anyways, if 3 Christian teenage boys in Switzerland did this to a Muslim elderly woman best believe Obama would have his gums bumping before the camera, so would Merkle (however you spell her name), Canadian PM Justin T, even Pope Francis would have to pipe in.

Abdalla was dragged from her home, beaten, verbally assaulted, and stripped before being exposed through the streets in Karama, the Minya province south of Cairo.

Her attackers chanted "Allahu Akbar," meaning "God is great," during the attack. Church leaders reported seven Christian homes were also torched by the mob of nearly 300 Muslim men.

Rumors that the ederly woman's son, a married Christian man, was having an affair with a Muslim woman prompted the violence.

Police did not respond to the situation for nearly two hours. By the time they arrived, the mob had dissolved.

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Imnukingfutz said:

Seeing that the radical Islamist's goal is to kill infidels (non Muslims) and the Crusades goal was to protect Christians and Jews from being slaughtered on their way to and from Jerusalem and to protect trade routes from the middle east to Europe... I dont get your question...they seem to be completely differing items to choose from.

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How does sacking Constantinople, or fighting Russians in Russia and "heretics" in France, protect Christian pilgrims?

shrubnose said:

Your German-German relatives got their butts handed to them in WWII.

Deal with it.

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Deal with what? I'm mulatto. Half Black-American with black family that came from out of the sharecropping fields of Mississippi to the North.

My black father's uncle, my great-uncle, fought for the United States in WWII against the Germans. He was from Mississippi as his sister my grandmother was. My grandmother recounted seeing German POWs walking around freely in Mississippi going into "Whites Only" stores, that neither she nor her brother my great-uncle who fought against those same Germans could when he returned back the USA (in Mississippi).

I'm not the lea sympathetic towards Nazi Germany. I mean... I do have empathy for what post-WWI Germans endured economically. But I'm happy the damned Germans lost WWII. As I'm sure this man is:



The Nazis were influenced by American science on eugenics. And the Nazis believed some damned heresies.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mit_brennender_Sorge

Mit brennender Sorge

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Mit brennender Sorge (About this sound listen (help·info)) German pronunciation: [mɪt ˈbʀɛnəntɐ ˈzɔʁɡə], "With burning concern") On the Church and the German Reich is an encyclical of Pope Pius XI, issued during the Nazi era on 10 March 1937 (but bearing a date of Passion Sunday, 14 March).[1] Written in German, not the usual Latin, it was smuggled into Germany for fear of censorship and was read from the pulpits of all German Catholic churches on one of the Church's busiest Sundays, Palm Sunday (21 March that year).[2][3]

The encyclical condemned breaches of the 1933 Reichskonkordat agreement signed between the German Reich and the Holy See.[4] It condemned "pantheistic confusion", "neopaganism", "the so-called myth of race and blood", and the idolizing of the State. It contained a vigorous defense of the Old Testament with the belief that it prepares the way for the New.[5] The encyclical states that race is a fundamental value of the human community which is necessary and honorable but condemns the exaltation of race, or the people, or the state, above their standard value to an idolatrous level.[6]

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8. Whoever exalts race, or the people, or the State, or a particular form of State, or the depositories of power, or any other fundamental value of the human community – however necessary and honorable be their function in worldly things – whoever raises these notions above their standard value and divinizes them to an idolatrous level, distorts and perverts an order of the world planned and created by God; he is far from the true faith in God and from the concept of life which that faith upholds."

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11. None but superficial minds could stumble into concepts of a national God, of a national religion; or attempt to lock within the frontiers of a single people, within the narrow limits of a single race, God, the Creator of the universe, King and Legislator of all nations before whose immensity they are "as a drop of a bucket"[44]

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Like I said, I was reared Catholic, my German side is actually where I got the Catholicism from, my dog-tags had Roman Catholic marked on them.

That guy Valkyrie is about was a German Catholic from old money.

While as individuals there were more than a few Catholics that supported the Nazis (hell, there were Jews and plenty of half Jews that did, and the damned Zionist founders of Israel did too), the actual teaching of the Catholic Church was in direct opposition to a number of the main teachings and beliefs of the Nazis. It was really more the German Lutherans than supported the Nazis. Which should be no surprise if one ever read some of the comments about Jews Martin Luther made.

It all depends on how you explain/define jihad. Because where crusades have just one meaning (when it comes to the middle east), namely destroying Islam, Jihad is a much more fluidly defined thing, because even a personal struggle to stop smoking or loose weight can be typified as a jihad.

shrubnose said:

Your German-German relatives got their butts handed to them in WWII.

Deal with it.

:lol:

Have a nice millisecond.

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Are you just here to troll or do you have an argument?

Peter King said:

It all depends on how you explain/define jihad. Because where crusades have just one meaning (when it comes to the middle east), namely destroying Islam, Jihad is a much more fluidly defined thing, because even a personal struggle to stop smoking or loose weight can be typified as a jihad.

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Literally not true.
Wikipedia can help with this or a history book.

Harry Guerrilla said:

Literally not true.
Wikipedia can help with this or a history book.

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The Crusades were a series of religious wars sanctioned by the Latin Church in the medieval period. The most commonly known are the campaigns in the Eastern Mediterranean aimed at recovering the Holy Land from Islamic rule but the term "Crusades" is also applied to other church-sanctioned campaigns.

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They are holy wars, that is what I intended to convey and Jihad is not always armed conflict, unlike crusades.

Harry Guerrilla said:

Are you just here to troll or do you have an argument?

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Trolling...

shrubnose said:

It wasn't a question,it was a statement.

Since there are about twice as many Christians on this planet as there are Muslims the Christians will probably win this kerfuffle.

Let's wait a few thousand years and see,eh?

Have a nice day.

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thats a false statement - the Muslim faith has as many, if not more followers than the Christian faith...

And what does the amount of followers have to do with the reasoning behind the statement?

Tigerace117 said:

How does sacking Constantinople, or fighting Russians in Russia and "heretics" in France, protect Christian pilgrims?

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Constantinople was the Eastern Catholic capitol (Rome being the Western capitol), they fought to regain it...i dont have a clue on what Russians you are speaking about since Russia wasnt even thought of at the time of the crusades in Jerusalem....please elaborate - And the Heretics in France was the doing of a power crazed asinine Pope close to a 100 years after the Crusades originally began in Jerusalem.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades
The Crusades were a series of religious wars sanctioned by the Latin Church in the medieval period. The most commonly known are the campaigns in the Eastern Mediterranean aimed at recovering the Holy Land from Islamic rule but the term "Crusades" is also applied to other church-sanctioned campaigns.
These were fought for a variety of reasons including suppressing paganism and heresy, the resolution of conflict among rival Roman Catholic groups, or for political and territorial advantage. At the time of the early Crusades the word did not exist, only becoming the leading descriptive term around 1760.

In 1095 Pope Urban II called for the First Crusade in a sermon at the Council of Clermont. He encouraged military support for the Byzantine Empire and its Emperor, Alexios I, who needed reinforcements for his conflict with westward migrating Turks colonising Anatolia. One of Urban's aims was to guarantee pilgrims access to the Eastern Mediterranean holy sites that were under Muslim control

Imnukingfutz said:

thats a false statement - the Muslim faith has as many, if not more followers than the Christian faith...

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And what does the amount of followers have to do with the reasoning behind the statement?

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Wrong,there are about twice as many Christians on this planet as there are Muslims.

Learn about it here: List of religious populations - Wikipedia

I suggest that you try learning what you're talking about before you open your mouth.

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Peter King said:

They are holy wars, that is what I intended to convey and Jihad is not always armed conflict, unlike crusades.

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My understanding--I could be wrong--is that the two types of jihad you are speaking of are differentiated by the terms Lesser Jihad (martial warfare) and Greater Jihad (internal struggle in one's self).

I don't believe "crusade" is a doctrine in any major branch of Christianity. Something called the Just War Doctrine is. As Jihad seems to be (again, I could be wrong) in both Sunni and Shia Islam.

Imnukingfutz said:

In 1095 Pope Urban II called for the First Crusade in a sermon at the Council of Clermont. He encouraged military support for the Byzantine Empire and its Emperor, Alexios I, who needed reinforcements for his conflict with westward migrating Turks colonising Anatolia. One of Urban's aims was to guarantee pilgrims access to the Eastern Mediterranean holy sites that were under Muslim control

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All of which led to the eventual formation of the Knights Hospitalars. Or Knights of the Hospital. A remarkable military branch in the history of mankind of you think about. You have Navy Corpsmen that are Navy SEALs (not merely attached). And it would go to far to depict the Hospitalars as SEALs but they were an order of men dedicated to providing medical assistance to pilgrims, while being monks, while taking up arms too. So, an interesting thing.

There order still exists today in the Catholic Church. Some of the Templars had joined them when their Templar order was broken apart. They (Hospitalars) are known today as the Knights of Malta. They don't do fighting though. They are still involved in medical care though.

Good post by the way.