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The "Republican" part of the Bible

The chances of me being nailed to a cross next to Jesus are very slim. One lesson I take from stories is that they are fiction.

Don't like to expend energy on deeper thoughts about stories, eh? I think professor Jordan Peterson has a high IQ. As a professional psychologist and professor teaching students he seems to find merit in stories. Great ones anyways.


Published on May 8, 2017

Psychology Professor Dr. Jordan B. Peterson asks the question why you engage in malevolence by exploring the motives of Milton's Paradise Lost and Dante's Inferno. What is at the bottom of hell?

Anyways... your soul is eternal like mine. You have the free will to do with it as you wish and to suffer the eternal consequences of that.

I'm not jealous of Americans locked in prison or being sentenced to prison for 20 or more years. And I'm not jealous of Americans that have taken their souls to a far worse prison: hell for all eternity.



Three members of violent Hobos gang sent to prison for life - Chicago Tribune

Three members of violent Hobos gang sent to prison for life


All that glory and fame. But then at some point it fizzles out--whether in this life or the next.

I'd rather be poor and mopping floors as a janitor than rich with beautiful women on me and men bowing to me in this world only to get an eternal life prison sentence in the next. But then, maybe that is why so many black men my age in my area of town have felonies, and have been in prison at least once, and I have not: because I don't buy the American story. Many of them do, and many of them end up in an American prison working for a few cents an hour.
 
Don't like to expend energy on deeper thoughts about stories, eh? .

If I find them entertaining and thought provoking, yes. The bible is a very boring book of fiction.
 
Anyways... your soul is eternal like mine. You have the free will to do with it as you wish and to suffer the eternal consequences of that.

I'm not jealous of Americans locked in prison or being sentenced to prison for 20 or more years. And I'm not jealous of Americans that have taken their souls to a far worse prison: hell for all eternity.

Don't worry.

A loving God would not send billions of people who never heard of Jesus into some place of eternal torment, nor would he allow some 'other' to do it.

I do get that your argument likes to have a stick to go with the heaven 'carrot'.
 
Don't worry.

A loving God would not send billions of people who never heard of Jesus into some place of eternal torment, nor would he allow some 'other' to do it.

I do get that your argument likes to have a stick to go with the heaven 'carrot'.

Naw, I was taught in public college that a Type 2 Error--or a False Negative Error--always results if higher costs than a Type 1 or False Positive Error.

The example given to me in a college class (the teacher was a professional engineer with an advanced degree in engineering) was to imagine that of a bridge that automotive vehicles travel over. The False Negative Error is to conclude or assume the bridge is perfectly safe after warnings and concerns were raised over its structure (say compromise to the structure). But the the bridge collapses with cars and people on it with deaths resulting. The False Positive Error is to conclude or assume the bridge will collapse, close the bridge down, detour traffic elsewhere for days, and after final inspection find out the bridge is perfectly sound and safe.

Both errors result in the consequence of costs. But the False Negative results in the greatest costs incurred.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_positives_and_false_negatives

In medical statistics, false positives and false negatives are concepts analogous to type I and type II errors in statistical hypothesis testing, where a positive result corresponds to rejecting the null hypothesis, and a negative result corresponds to not rejecting the null hypothesis. The terms are often used interchangeably, but there are differences in detail and interpretation.

A false positive error is a type I error...

A false negative error is a type II error...

False Negatives and False Positives result in tests for HIV and other diseases too. That's why it's good to have a 2nd or 3rd test. But so, a False Negative test result might come with the cost of a man then having sex with his girlfriend and passing on HIV to her. A False Positive test result might come with the cost of a man refraining from having sex with his girlfriend until however many weeks or months later until he finds out from a more HIV sensitive test that he is HIV free.

In military warfare term we have the same reasoning pattern more or less in the statement or maxim: Prepare for the worst but hope for the best.

God is loving but God is just. God balances justice with mercy. And so we hear, "God so loved the world that he sent his only begotten son." Something to that effect. I paraphrase. We are saved by grace but we must cooperate in grace, so, we are told by Jesus that the road to salvation is narrow and the road to damnation is wide. But we have grace. Which criminal role on the cross will you audition for?

That is of your choice. I give the same forewarning about the dangers of drug use. You might falsely assume I give such forewarning about drug use--repeated excessive use--because I only want to be a party pooper :(, because I think I'm sinless and a saint. You would be assuming wrong. But no matter what warnings I give tens of thousands of Americans cocky and arrogant as all hell, know better than me, and will play with those prescription opioid and play with street heroin. I guess because, God is "loving."






No, I'm just scarred enough in the octagon arena of life that I can interpret, out in the far distance barely seen, the rising smoke of a large camp. And I interpret what is coming my way: the march of enemies for war and souls.

So, I stay prayed up.

Be you SEALs or Marines you need the Army Cav to descend from the air in the thick of battle to reinforce you at times. Lest you be overrun and doomed.








Republicans, Democrats, modern day Americans underestimate their foe--or think great coaches train athletes to underestimate their adversary. Some you might dismiss, but if your adversary is tough, strong, has lots of trophies let alone has been in the epic arena since time immemorial, overcoming many men then it might be prudent not to dismiss that adversary. For example, why out of kindness leave the Republican Party alone and never tempt its leaders and followers? Why only do that to Democrats. Seems to me if you are into human collecting you would want to mount on your wall heads from both Parties.
 
I get what you are saying - you really didn't need that many words. :)

What I was getting at, well one facet, is the lack of an "age of accountability" for sin, or some such, in the bible, as well as no explicit potential forgiveness for those that never heard of Jesus.

A 3 year old girl steals a cookie (sins - and she knows it) and 5 minutes later is run over in front of her house. Does the Christian god offer her any hope? For some believers in eternal damnation, there is no sane answer to these questions.

I tend to interpret it (the bible) as saying that if you die not believing, and are resurrected to face god for judgement and still don't believe, then your soul is banished to death = hell. Not eternal life of suffering, but death.

Hell = in the ground - gone - live no more.
 
Naw, I was taught in public college that a Type 2 Error--or a False Negative Error--always results if higher costs than a Type 1 or False Positive Error.

The example given to me in a college class (the teacher was a professional engineer with an advanced degree in engineering) was to imagine that of a bridge that automotive vehicles travel over. The False Negative Error is to conclude or assume the bridge is perfectly safe after warnings and concerns were raised over its structure (say compromise to the structure). But the the bridge collapses with cars and people on it with deaths resulting. The False Positive Error is to conclude or assume the bridge will collapse, close the bridge down, detour traffic elsewhere for days, and after final inspection find out the bridge is perfectly sound and safe.

Both errors result in the consequence of costs. But the False Negative results in the greatest costs incurred.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_positives_and_false_negatives







False Negatives and False Positives result in tests for HIV and other diseases too. That's why it's good to have a 2nd or 3rd test. But so, a False Negative test result might come with the cost of a man then having sex with his girlfriend and passing on HIV to her. A False Positive test result might come with the cost of a man refraining from having sex with his girlfriend until however many weeks or months later until he finds out from a more HIV sensitive test that he is HIV free.

In military warfare term we have the same reasoning pattern more or less in the statement or maxim: Prepare for the worst but hope for the best.

God is loving but God is just. God balances justice with mercy. And so we hear, "God so loved the world that he sent his only begotten son." Something to that effect. I paraphrase. We are saved by grace but we must cooperate in grace, so, we are told by Jesus that the road to salvation is narrow and the road to damnation is wide. But we have grace. Which criminal role on the cross will you audition for?

That is of your choice. I give the same forewarning about the dangers of drug use. You might falsely assume I give such forewarning about drug use--repeated excessive use--because I only want to be a party pooper :(, because I think I'm sinless and a saint. You would be assuming wrong. But no matter what warnings I give tens of thousands of Americans cocky and arrogant as all hell, know better than me, and will play with those prescription opioid and play with street heroin. I guess because, God is "loving."






No, I'm just scarred enough in the octagon arena of life that I can interpret, out in the far distance barely seen, the rising smoke of a large camp. And I interpret what is coming my way: the march of enemies for war and souls.

So, I stay prayed up.

Be you SEALs or Marines you need the Army Cav to descend from the air in the thick of battle to reinforce you at times. Lest you be overrun and doomed.








Republicans, Democrats, modern day Americans underestimate their foe--or think great coaches train athletes to underestimate their adversary. Some you might dismiss, but if your adversary is tough, strong, has lots of trophies let alone has been in the epic arena since time immemorial, overcoming many men then it might be prudent not to dismiss that adversary. For example, why out of kindness leave the Republican Party alone and never tempt its leaders and followers? Why only do that to Democrats. Seems to me if you are into human collecting you would want to mount on your wall heads from both Parties.

Bridges are real. Gods not so much.
 
I get what you are saying - you really didn't need that many words. :)

What I was getting at, well one facet, is the lack of an "age of accountability" for sin, or some such, in the bible, as well as no explicit potential forgiveness for those that never heard of Jesus.

A 3 year old girl steals a cookie (sins - and she knows it) and 5 minutes later is run over in front of her house. Does the Christian god offer her any hope? For some believers in eternal damnation, there is no sane answer to these questions.

I was reared Catholic, so, I have no idea what you are talking about. Hey, Orthodox Christianity has plenty of valid criticisms about Catholicism, one of the most important is that it is too rational. Protestantism even more so. But both of them make up "Western Christianity."

Catholicism has a doctrine about "age of reason." They also have theological term called "invincible ignorance" (which I don't think the Orthodox do, and I'm not sure I subscribe to the Catholic claim about "invincible ignorance") all this stuff can be googled up. An adult with "invincible ignorance" can't even be held accountable for his--what Catholicism terms--"mortal sins," let alone a child that has not reached the "age of reason."

Mortal sins are what send one to hell--potentially--according to Catholics if one dies unrepentant of them, not what they term "venial sins." You aren't supposed to take Holy Communion if in a state of mortal sin, having not received the sacrament of confession, according to Catholicism, not venial sin. You can receive communion if having committed venial sins with out confession. Ergo, the current Catholic controversy of divorced Catholics (state of mortal sin) receiving communion. Doing so supposedly incurs the wrath of God further down upon the sinner.

As for Protestants... I though most of them believed in salvation by grace alone, that any believer that does anything, murders their wife, butt bangs their child, intentionally collapses the global economy through derivative frauds... goes to heaven when they die by merely believing in Jesus.

So, have no idea where you get this idea about Christians claiming a 3 year-old child that steals a cookie then immediately dies from getting run over by a car automatically goes to hell? But I'm a hazarding a guess you are one of these opponents of the crucified Christ that demands a belief held by 90% of Muslims not be actually recognized as a belief held by 90% of Muslims (e.g., multiple wives for men allowable, no Muslim woman can marry more than one man nor marry any non-Muslim man), and that a belief held by 1% of Christians be proclaimed to be a belief held by 90% of Christians.


I tend to interpret it (the bible) as saying that if you die not believing, and are resurrected to face god for judgement and still don't believe, then your soul is banished to death = hell. Not eternal life of suffering, but death.

Hell = in the ground - gone - live no more.

The human soul is eternal. Basic Christian doctrine believed by the vast majority of Christians, say 90% or 99% of Christians across all planet earth.

The soul being eternal must end up in one of two places. Even Catholicism views purgatory as an end destination to heaven. So, one of two places the human soul ultimately ends up in: (a) heaven or (b) hell.






But even on earth in this life it is good to have powerful, merciful friends. The Ultimate Don Corleone. But some of you moved to America, had Obama, your house with the white fence, and the police. And you said to yourselves: "I don't need a friend like Don God."

But then your daughter gets slapped around, her jaw wired shut, by some white nationalist in Charlotte, North Carolina and you come running to the Ultimate Don for a favor.


 
Bridges are real. Gods not so much.

Then do as you must.



But remember the Cain and Able story. If I present a fine bear rug to God then don't get mad when you had more cash and better rugs to give to God but instead offer God a rug made out of the butt of a skunk.

I try to be grateful when God gives me a Cannoli in Milwaukee. He could have kept them all in New York City and Chicago. The key to happiness is gratitude.







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John McGivern talks to Eddie Glorioso, co-founder of Glorioso's.
 
I get what you are saying - you really didn't need that many words. :)

What I was getting at, well one facet, is the lack of an "age of accountability" for sin, or some such, in the bible, as well as no explicit potential forgiveness for those that never heard of Jesus.

It's generally taught that the age of accountability varies according to when children / young people are able to discern right from wrong on issues a little more complex than stealing a cookie. The Jews say about 13 years of age or thereabouts.

As for those who have never heard of Jesus, God will take that into account. Recommended reading on that is Romans chapters 1 and 2, where it's written that men's consciences will testify either for or against them on the day of Judgment.

A 3 year old girl steals a cookie (sins - and she knows it) and 5 minutes later is run over in front of her house. Does the Christian god offer her any hope? For some believers in eternal damnation, there is no sane answer to these questions.

See above. Certainly there's no hope for life after death for atheists, when they become worm food at best.

I tend to interpret it (the bible) as saying that if you die not believing, and are resurrected to face god for judgement and still don't believe, then your soul is banished to death = hell. Not eternal life of suffering, but death.

Hell = in the ground - gone - live no more.

Hell is real. What Did Jesus Say or Teach About Hell?
 
It's generally taught that the age of accountability varies according to when children / young people are able to discern right from wrong on issues a little more complex than stealing a cookie. The Jews say about 13 years of age or thereabouts.

As for those who have never heard of Jesus, God will take that into account. Recommended reading on that is Romans chapters 1 and 2, where it's written that men's consciences will testify either for or against them on the day of Judgment.



See above. Certainly there's no hope for life after death for atheists, when they become worm food at best.



Hell is real. What Did Jesus Say or Teach About Hell?

Originally Posted by <alt>doxygen View Post
A 3 year old girl steals a cookie (sins - and she knows it) and 5 minutes later is run over in front of her house. Does the Christian god offer her any hope? For some believers in eternal damnation, there is no sane answer to these questions.

Well, if I'm there it will be with any 3 year old that ever lived. And many others who don't deserve it. At least if all we need to know on the issue is in the Bible.

The Jews allow themselves to extrapolate. They also don't believe "personhood" begins until after birth. Hence, they don't belong with these nuts:
https://www.armyofgod.com/
 
Well, if I'm there it will be with any 3 year old that ever lived. And many others who don't deserve it. At least if all we need to know on the issue is in the Bible.

3 year olds won't be there. They don't have a sufficient knowledge of right and wrong. And if you're there it will be because you have rejected Jesus Christ as your savior.

All of us have sinned (Read Romans chapters 1-5) but we do have an out because someone else has paid for our sins. So please read Romans. It will clarify all of this for you.
 
3 year olds won't be there. They don't have a sufficient knowledge of right and wrong. And if you're there it will be because you have rejected Jesus Christ as your savior.

All of us have sinned (Read Romans chapters 1-5) but we do have an out because someone else has paid for our sins. So please read Romans. It will clarify all of this for you.

Are all Hindus going to hell? Buddhists? Shintoists?
 
They reject Jesus so according to your logic they will go to hell.

It's not my logic. It's John 3:36, Revelation 21:8, etc., etc.

And if you don't like it go whine to someone else.
 
It's not my logic. It's John 3:36, Revelation 21:8, etc., etc.

And if you don't like it go whine to someone else.

It is of no consequence to me. But believing that Hindus will go to hell because of words written in a fictional story is highly risible.
 
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