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Does the Religious Right represent Christianity?

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Does the Religious Right represent Christianity? I think making excuses for some of Trump's behavior seems like putting partisan politics before what is supposed to be acceptable in the Christian religion.

Then there are pastors like this guy, who use a religious position to gain material things for himself:

Minister Creflo Dollar asks for $60 million for a jet - CNN.com

How is that guy any better then the money changers Jesus kicked out of the temple and why are so many mega church pastors obsessed with material wealth for themselves?

It seems like some of these megachurches ignore some of Jesus' teachings on the poor and the rich, with Jesus saying the poor are blessed and saying its easier for a rich man to go through the eye of a needle then enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

Many members of the religious right come off as Pharisees, the religious group who persecuted Jesus and thought themselves morally superior to all others, by virtue of belonging to that group.
 
Does the Religious Right represent Christianity? I think making excuses for some of Trump's behavior seems like putting partisan politics before what is supposed to be acceptable in the Christian religion.

Then there are pastors like this guy, who use a religious position to gain material things for himself:

Minister Creflo Dollar asks for $60 million for a jet - CNN.com

How is that guy any better then the money changers Jesus kicked out of the temple and why are so many mega church pastors obsessed with material wealth for themselves?

It seems like some of these megachurches ignore some of Jesus' teachings on the poor and the rich, with Jesus saying the poor are blessed and saying its easier for a rich man to go through the eye of a needle then enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

Many members of the religious right come off as Pharisees, the religious group who persecuted Jesus and thought themselves morally superior to all others, by virtue of belonging to that group.

Its because they are completely greedy, and rationalize it because its for their faith.
I've seen video of a church release a bald eagle indoors, while the whole congregation just clapped, and cheered. Only for the poor thing to fly around franticly to try, and get away from the massive crowd. Then it spots a window, and makes a straight line for the damn thing. Only to realize that the window was not open as it crashed into the plate glass... all while the crowd continue to clap, and cheer.

The faith is a pathetic shell of what it used to be, despite its wealth.
 
Does the Religious Right represent Christianity?
Yes but obviously religion and politics are different so not exclusively.

I think making excuses for some of Trump's behavior seems like putting partisan politics before what is supposed to be acceptable in the Christian religion.
You mean his crude-ness?

Then there are pastors like this guy, who use a religious position to gain material things for himself:
Minister Creflo Dollar asks for $60 million for a jet - CNN.com How is that guy any better then the money changers Jesus kicked out of the temple and why are so many mega church pastors obsessed with material wealth for themselves?
I suppose they believe that is God who provides that to them. Egos can restrict the room for the Spirit to shine His light.

It seems like some of these megachurches ignore some of Jesus' teachings on the poor and the rich, with Jesus saying the poor are blessed and saying its easier for a rich man to go through the eye of a needle then enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
How so? Building a beautiful community that evangelizes salvation and forgiveness seem pretty on point to me…

Are the poor somehow unblessed by some practice? Not sure what you are digging at. On the rich man verse, there an important preamble your skipping and it is obviously about faith coming before possessions which as far as I am aware is still what is encouraged in mega churches espcially since most funds go to the church programs.
Many members of the religious right come off as Pharisees, the religious group who persecuted Jesus and thought themselves morally superior to all others, by virtue of belonging to that group.
intresting fact, Jesus and his disiples would likely be classed as a Pharisee pre-resurection and this "judgey" side can be seen in certain passages. What you see as persecution is a pretty normal dialogue amount the sect ~ three opinions for every two.Pharisees were an odd bunch, but if you look up a Hillel(a promentant figure), you’ll even find a lot of the same teachings.

I take it you are the christian left?
 
Does the Religious Right represent Christianity? I think making excuses for some of Trump's behavior seems like putting partisan politics before what is supposed to be acceptable in the Christian religion.

They represent a small sub-section of Christianity; namely, white southern US evangelicalism.

Then there are pastors like this guy, who use a religious position to gain material things for himself:

Minister Creflo Dollar asks for $60 million for a jet - CNN.com

How is that guy any better then the money changers Jesus kicked out of the temple and why are so many mega church pastors obsessed with material wealth for themselves?

It seems like some of these megachurches ignore some of Jesus' teachings on the poor and the rich, with Jesus saying the poor are blessed and saying its easier for a rich man to go through the eye of a needle then enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

Many members of the religious right come off as Pharisees, the religious group who persecuted Jesus and thought themselves morally superior to all others, by virtue of belonging to that group.

What's this have to do with the topic?
 
The Religious Right probably have some good people in them just as some of the proponents of Prosperity Gospel are probably pretty good people.

I'm a subscriber to neither. That said... as with Islam and Hinduism you'll find some truths put forth in both the Religious Right and the Prosperity Gospel preachers.

I think the Prosperity Gospel has become a bigger problem than the Religious Right per se. The latter has shrunk. And the latter comes out of a stream within Protestantism but there are now something like over 50,000 Protestant denominations. Yeah, all that from the singular 1 called "Martin Luther" and his Lutheran Church. So, what was that? Something like 49,000 Reformations from the actual numero uno Reformation? I guess "Just read the Bible" doesn't result in a singular "evident" interpretive conclusion as so many proclaim. But I digress. The point I was starting to make was that there are now so many tens of thousands of Protestant denominations in the USA, with vastly differing doctrinal beliefs, it's hard to say what "Protestant believe." Some play rock in their churches and fly the rainbow flag, some fly the rainbow flag but attract the "Limousine Liberal" elites with deep $$$ pockets like the Episcopalians, some maintain homosexuality is a sin and think Jewish Israelis are automatically good and Muslim Palestinians are automatically bad. And on and on.




Okay, I don't need to tell Jews this, but the Catholic (and Orthodox) Church has historically treated the Jews (primarily religious Jews, but it overlapped many times into enthnocentric hatred or distrust of even Christian ethnic Jews) with a certain level of contempt. At times treating the Jews the way the English treated the Catholic Irish and white Americans treated blacks.

Why is that important? Because it is one (there are other) element of difference between the Religious Right in the USA and the Catholic Church up to the Vatican itself. While the Catholic Church and Popes have radically shifted their speech, treatment, and perception of Jews the Catholic Church still has not embraced Zionist Israel (nation-state) the way the Religious Right has. Actually, the Vatican has tended to take the Muslim (and Christian) Palestinian side.

I don't think Jewish people are evil. And I think a few things can be learned from them in terms of financial prosperity. Yet, I don't buy the line they are merely genetically gifted or always 100% "innocent." I think they network very tightly among one another, to the extent they conspire to do so, and I think their elites in media, banks, and Israeli Government act as sinister as any other "cartel" to ensure their people (in this case the Jews) come out winners.

Inside the USA I would say others--in finance and economics--have played the ethnic/racial game too. The Irish, the Italians/Sicilians, the North Eastern WASPs. With none playing it as well as the Jews. Perhaps the North Eastern old money WASP families played it second best (and 1st in politics). The more recent newcomers like the Arabs, Koreans, and East Indian Sikh's have done pretty good in the game too.

But as a general rule of thumb the blacks and browns (mulattoes and mestizos) throughout the Americas, from Brazil to the USA, do incredibly poor in this game.

For all the flaws of Prosperity Gospel--even if more than a few of its pastors are con-artists--they have taught extremely poor black and brown peoples in Latin America how to budget their money and pursue economic investments. Which often works out helping them become poor people who have a little more extra cash. Some even join the middle-class. In the United States where the Prosperity Gospel was born, I don't think it has been as helpful, not that it has been a total success in Latin America.
 
This Black-American Protestant pastor make some good points about ethical economics I think. I don't agree with every single thing he said but most of it I do.


The Church and the Moral Mandate of Economics (Christopher Brooks - Acton Institute)
Published on Apr 18, 2017

This lecture will discuss the unique role the church plays in a market-based economic system, and will examine the moral imperatives given in scripture and Christian social thought that are foundational to building an economy that allows flourishing and ensures justice for all. Pastor Brooks explains the vital relationship between economics and moral philosophy for a free and virtuous society.

Chris Brooks is the senior pastor of Evangel Ministries, a thriving 1600-member church in the heart of Detroit. He also serves as campus dean of Moody Theological Seminary in Plymouth, Mich. A popular Detroit radio host since 2005, he is author of Kingdom Dreaming (2009) and Urban Apologetics (2014). He graduated from Michigan State University with a B.A. in finance, completed his M.A. in Christian apologetics at Biola University, and graduated from the Oxford Centre for Christian Apologetics.



These other 3 are all Catholics with the priest and one of the men proponents of free market capitalism. The other man--originally from England (as you might tell by his accent)--is a proponent of distributism the Catholic model of economics. Where capitalism places the individual as the focus in economics, and socialism the state, distributism seeks to place the family as the focus of economics.


A Gentleman’s Debate: Distributism vs. Free-Markets (Joseph Pearce & Jay Richards - Acton Institute)
Published on Mar 16, 2016

Rev. Robert A. Sirico is the president and co-founder of the Acton Institute and the pastor at Sacred Heart of Jesus Parish, both in Grand Rapids, MI. A regular writer and commentator on religious, political, economic, and social issues, Rev. Sirico’s contributions have been carried by the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, Forbes, the Washington Times, CNN, ABC, CBS, NPR, and the BBC, among others. In his popular book, Defending the Free Market: The Moral Case for a Free Economy, Rev. Sirico shows how a free economy is not only the best way to meet society’s material needs but also the surest protection of human dignity against government encroachment.

Jay Richards is Assistant Research Professor School of Business and Economics at The Catholic University of America, a Senior Fellow Discovery Institute, and Executive Editor of The Stream.

Joseph Pearce is writer in residence at Aquinas College in Nashville, Tennessee, and Director of the college’s Center for Faith and Culture

This event took place on February 18, 2016 in Grand Rapids, Michigan.

I looked up the Acton Institute and that priest. The priest has an interesting story. His brother was one of the leading faces (actors) on the Sorpranos. That priest also came out as gay in the 1970s, got into left-wing liberal things, then converted to a more conservative outlook and apparently joined the priesthood.

All 3 on that stage view corporate globalism and super-states as a great threat to the freedom of man. Basic Catholic doctrine promotes property rights, as ownership in the perspective of Catholicism enables freedom. Therefore, the question is always: "How can ownership, greater degrees of owning property among the masses, be enabled and encouraged in systems of economics?"

That does not mean you want the state to own everything, but nor does it mean you want increasing amounts of wealth concentrated into fewer and fewer private hands. Say, like the Saudi royal family supposedly having a net worth of $1.4 trillion. Or banks or corporations hogging most the wealth.

One aspect of distributism that differentiates it from socialism is that charity is supposed to move from small circles outward rather than from big circles inward. So, in the former charity and economies move from say... the neighborhood outward to city, state, etc. In socialism it would move from say... the Federal Government to the state to the city then down to the neighborhood.

I bring this up, because my next post with videos will be one the NWO (New World Order) globalist which seek war upon Russia and Putin. And Russian traditional spirituality which sees Russians as something of Jewish Israelites who may not be a nation endowed with Hollywood, glitz, glamor and ipads, but onto themselves accept suffering as an obligation to protect the Word of God. Or Orthodoxy.
 
Does the Religious Right represent Christianity? I think making excuses for some of Trump's behavior seems like putting partisan politics before what is supposed to be acceptable in the Christian religion.

Then there are pastors like this guy, who use a religious position to gain material things for himself:

Minister Creflo Dollar asks for $60 million for a jet - CNN.com

How is that guy any better then the money changers Jesus kicked out of the temple and why are so many mega church pastors obsessed with material wealth for themselves?

It seems like some of these megachurches ignore some of Jesus' teachings on the poor and the rich, with Jesus saying the poor are blessed and saying its easier for a rich man to go through the eye of a needle then enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

Many members of the religious right come off as Pharisees, the religious group who persecuted Jesus and thought themselves morally superior to all others, by virtue of belonging to that group.

In a word: no.

They don't.
 
Russian spirituality and perception of themselves, according to a break-away Catholic Bishop. But like those from the Latin Catholic tradition he arrogantly thinks Russia will convert to Catholicism (union with The Pope by recognizing Papal Supremacy) :roll:. I say Russia is already converted and Rome is the one likely in heresy. Either way, I think he is right about Russia's role and the Russians view of themselves.




Up to about the 5:30 mark he speaks about the Russians, Putin, and the New World Order globalist (who want property ownership concentrated in fewer hands) that hate Putin and Russia. I don't know what much of the rest of the video say.






Finally, a Russian Orthodox priest that is very perceptive and sober in his reflections on the present day and the long stretch of history into antiquity. And how the Russians fit in there.


Why Anti-Christian Westerners Hate Russia - Orthodox Christian Priest Andrey Tkachev

Youtuber comments under that video on "Why Anti-Christian Westerners Hate Russia..."

maccdale13 months ago

I'm western and I love Russia and Putin, and I'm not alone.

Bryan Hall3 months ago

4 weeks until Pascha! from an American convert to Orthodoxy. God bless Putin and Russia.

Keescanadees3 months ago

, I'm Anti-Christian (more Anti-Religion) and I have no problems with Russia.

Redhead Russkie3 months ago

I'm not particularly religious myself, but I can't stand the disgusting rhetoric that most leftists carry against Christianity despite the many contributions this religion has made towards the Western civilized world - which any serious historian will acknowledge.

joshron993 months ago

What a brilliant analysis was offered in this video! I have been intellectually enriched, and maybe even spiritually enriched, by it. How important 16 minutes can be! I am a patriotic and loyal American but one who has also come to love Russia. The words and thoughts of Vladimir Putin have been the catalyst. I wondered why so many American and European political, media and power elites hate Russia. This video has answered that question. Yes, Russia is the last bastion as it feels the heartbeat of God and resonates to it.
 
Does the Religious Right represent Christianity? I think making excuses for some of Trump's behavior seems like putting partisan politics before what is supposed to be acceptable in the Christian religion.

Then there are pastors like this guy, who use a religious position to gain material things for himself:

Minister Creflo Dollar asks for $60 million for a jet - CNN.com

How is that guy any better then the money changers Jesus kicked out of the temple and why are so many mega church pastors obsessed with material wealth for themselves?

It seems like some of these megachurches ignore some of Jesus' teachings on the poor and the rich, with Jesus saying the poor are blessed and saying its easier for a rich man to go through the eye of a needle then enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

Many members of the religious right come off as Pharisees, the religious group who persecuted Jesus and thought themselves morally superior to all others, by virtue of belonging to that group.

This is just another straw man argument. Nobody makes excuses for Trump although they may call you a hypocrite for bringing it up because your guys are as bad or worse. We all know Creflo Dolllar, Joyce Meyer, and Benny Hinn are crooks, are you just now finding out?
 
Does the Religious Right represent Christianity? I think making excuses for some of Trump's behavior seems like putting partisan politics before what is supposed to be acceptable in the Christian religion.

Then there are pastors like this guy, who use a religious position to gain material things for himself:

Minister Creflo Dollar asks for $60 million for a jet - CNN.com

How is that guy any better then the money changers Jesus kicked out of the temple and why are so many mega church pastors obsessed with material wealth for themselves?

It seems like some of these megachurches ignore some of Jesus' teachings on the poor and the rich, with Jesus saying the poor are blessed and saying its easier for a rich man to go through the eye of a needle then enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

Many members of the religious right come off as Pharisees, the religious group who persecuted Jesus and thought themselves morally superior to all others, by virtue of belonging to that group.

Jesus talked about false prophets and hypocrite creeping into the Christian congregation with the sole purpose of misleading and fleecing the flock, so that's nothing new...it's gone on for over 2,000 years, it's just more prevalent today as we near the end...
 
Does the Religious Right represent Christianity? I think making excuses for some of Trump's behavior seems like putting partisan politics before what is supposed to be acceptable in the Christian religion.

Then there are pastors like this guy, who use a religious position to gain material things for himself:

Minister Creflo Dollar asks for $60 million for a jet - CNN.com

How is that guy any better then the money changers Jesus kicked out of the temple and why are so many mega church pastors obsessed with material wealth for themselves?

It seems like some of these megachurches ignore some of Jesus' teachings on the poor and the rich, with Jesus saying the poor are blessed and saying its easier for a rich man to go through the eye of a needle then enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

Many members of the religious right come off as Pharisees, the religious group who persecuted Jesus and thought themselves morally superior to all others, by virtue of belonging to that group.

It represents an aspect of the problem with 'religion' and especially 'politicised religion' but, it does not represent the sincerely held beliefs of many theists.
 
This is just another straw man argument. Nobody makes excuses for Trump although they may call you a hypocrite for bringing it up because your guys are as bad or worse. We all know Creflo Dolllar, Joyce Meyer, and Benny Hinn are crooks, are you just now finding out?

How do we define worse? How many conservative religious Republican politicians were caught committing actions (often illegal) that range from bizarre to completely immoral?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Craig_scandal

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Hastert

The religious right itself seems to racked with hypocrisy.
 
How do we define worse? How many conservative religious Republican politicians were caught committing actions (often illegal) that range from bizarre to completely immoral?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Craig_scandal

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Hastert

The religious right itself seems to racked with hypocrisy.

If the loony left did any one of those things you'd give them a medal. Oh, wait, they do.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Weiner_sexting_scandals

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I know what you're going to say, you're going to say you expect more from Republicans because everybody knows Democrats are bums and crooks and you don't expect much from them. Either that or you'll make excuses for Hillary and Wiener.
 
If the loony left did any one of those things you'd give them a medal. Oh, wait, they do.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Weiner_sexting_scandals

Clinton Foundation Scandal News | Hillary Clinton Election 2016 Coverage ? IBD | Stock News & Stock Market Analysis - IBD

Hillary Clinton Email Scandal News | Hillary Clinton Election 2016 Coverage | Stock News & Stock Market Analysis - IBD

I know what you're going to say, you're going to say you expect more from Republicans because everybody knows Democrats are bums and crooks and you don't expect much from them. Either that or you'll make excuses for Hillary and Wiener.

I am loyal to ideals, not politicians and I never engage in mindless partisan loyalty, where I sacrifice my individuality for "the good of the party".

I have no desire to defend either Clinton or Wiener, because they are not the focus of the topic of this thread, which is the religious right, you are just deflecting.

I can also bring up the Trump foundation, if you wish:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danale...charity-money-into-his-business/#397960976b4a

How far do you want to play the partisan blame game, before it gets boring?

The religious right is one of the main groups that claims moral superiority over everyone in America and they often fall short of their supposed lofty morals, your "two wrongs makes a right" logic does not change that.

If you want to talk about Wiener or Clinton, start your own thread, they are irrelevant to the topic in this thread.
 
If the loony left did any one of those things you'd give them a medal. Oh, wait, they do.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Weiner_sexting_scandals

Clinton Foundation Scandal News | Hillary Clinton Election 2016 Coverage ? IBD | Stock News & Stock Market Analysis - IBD

Hillary Clinton Email Scandal News | Hillary Clinton Election 2016 Coverage | Stock News & Stock Market Analysis - IBD

I know what you're going to say, you're going to say you expect more from Republicans because everybody knows Democrats are bums and crooks and you don't expect much from them. Either that or you'll make excuses for Hillary and Wiener.

Ah yes.. investors.com.. such a reliable news source. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/investors-business-daily/

The spin they have on the Clinton foundation and the Clinton's emails are.. inaccurate... to say the least.

As for Weiner, he lost the primary.. and his politcal career is ruined. The republicans re-elected someone who did as bad if not worse in Mark Sanford.
 
I am loyal to ideals, not politicians and I never engage in mindless partisan loyalty, where I sacrifice my individuality for "the good of the party".

I have no desire to defend either Clinton or Wiener, because they are not the focus of the topic of this thread, which is the religious right, you are just deflecting.

I can also bring up the Trump foundation, if you wish:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danale...charity-money-into-his-business/#397960976b4a

How far do you want to play the partisan blame game, before it gets boring?

The religious right is one of the main groups that claims moral superiority over everyone in America and they often fall short of their supposed lofty morals, your "two wrongs makes a right" logic does not change that.

If you want to talk about Wiener or Clinton, start your own thread, they are irrelevant to the topic in this thread.

It's already boring, I was just reminding you of your hypocrisy, since you apparently believe it's you place to judge anybody who isn't on your side of the ball but not your own guys. Or yourself.
 
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Nope, just reminding you of your hypocrisy, since you apparently believe it's you place to judge anybody who isn't on your side of the ball.

And I can accuse you of the same hypocrisy, by bringing up Wiener and ignoring Hastert (Hastert is objectively worse then Wiener, Wiener is a creep and a sicko, but Hastert was a child molester).

You want to play the partisan blame game some more? Or maybe the religious right should clean up its own house, before throwing stones?
 
Ah yes.. investors.com.. such a reliable news source. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/investors-business-daily/

Yeah, the old ad hominem fallacy, attack the source, and excuse the pervert.

The spin they have on the Clinton foundation and the Clinton's emails are.. inaccurate... to say the least.

Of course they are, Hillary can't possibly be guilty of anything, because she's Hillary.

As for Weiner, he lost the primary.. and his politcal career is ruined. The republicans re-elected someone who did as bad if not worse in Mark Sanford.

I was kinda glad to see that because after all, the left sticks up for their adulterers (like Bill Clinton) but they start clutching their pearls and reaching for their fainting couches when a Republican does it. What hypocrites.
 
Yeah, the old ad hominem fallacy, attack the source, and excuse the pervert.



Of course they are, Hillary can't possibly be guilty of anything, because she's Hillary.



I was kinda glad to see that because after all, the left sticks up for their adulterers (like Bill Clinton) but they start clutching their pearls and reaching for their fainting couches when a Republican does it. What hypocrites.

Where is the 'pervert' being excused??? I am just pointing he lost the election, and his political career is over due to it, yet, that same thing doesn't happen to Republicans, who get reelected after dogni worse (see Mark Sanford)

and, investors is known for lying.
 
And I can accuse you of the same hypocrisy, by bringing up Wiener and ignoring Hastert (Hastert is objectively worse then Wiener, Wiener is a creep and a sicko, but Hastert was a child molester).

You want to play the partisan blame game some more? Or maybe the religious right should clean up its own house, before throwing stones?

Hastert, whatever his proclivities are, is ancient history in political terms. You should concentrate on the criminals on your side of the ball instead of dredging up old crap.
 
Does the Religious Right represent Christianity? I think making excuses for some of Trump's behavior seems like putting partisan politics before what is supposed to be acceptable in the Christian religion.

Then there are pastors like this guy, who use a religious position to gain material things for himself:

Minister Creflo Dollar asks for $60 million for a jet - CNN.com

How is that guy any better then the money changers Jesus kicked out of the temple and why are so many mega church pastors obsessed with material wealth for themselves?

It seems like some of these megachurches ignore some of Jesus' teachings on the poor and the rich, with Jesus saying the poor are blessed and saying its easier for a rich man to go through the eye of a needle then enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

Many members of the religious right come off as Pharisees, the religious group who persecuted Jesus and thought themselves morally superior to all others, by virtue of belonging to that group.


You hit it right on the head....the religious right is today's equivalent of the "Pharisees". They love to cloak themselves in Christ's name but in doing so, they take his name in vain because they know next to nothing about the man that they pretend to worship.
 
Where is the 'pervert' being excused??? I am just pointing he lost the election, and his political career is over due to it, yet, that same thing doesn't happen to Republicans, who get reelected after dogni worse (see Mark Sanford)

and, investors is known for lying.

Wiener didn't even run, he quit, and even at that 51% of the registered voters in his district thought he should stay. He would have run for Mayor if he hadn't got caught yet again.
 
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