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Religion was never meant to be dominated by fanatics or conservatives.

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You know whats wrong with Islam. At one time they where as advanced and progressive as the christian world. They where the first to defeat the Mongolian horde on the battle field, they where at the forefront of mathematics and astronomy. So what happened? They allowed the fanatics and regressive thinkers to take over to the point they are still living in the dark ages. They hate change and violently strike out when challenged or made fun of. They are way too conservative.

Christianity went thru this until the 1700s. The holocaust against females the French Inquisition was a prime example. The church in Rome wanted to crack down on heretics and witchcraft. In France they went after herbal healers, midwives and females in general who where single and sexually active. They burned by the thousands after torture. Satanic Metal singer King Diamond said at least Satanist never burned people at the stake for trying to help people and killing people in his name. The Eye of the Witch was his brilliant album addressing the burning courts.

What happened to push Christians out of this horror and stupidity? The Reformation for one. Instead of just the Orthodox church as Tomes only competition now the Protestant movement helped water down the power of Rome. The second was the fall of the monarchy in most European countries. Religion became what it should have been all along. A brick in the foundation of your faith and not rulers and law makers. Islam never want thru this and that is why they are screwed up and don't have the nerve to call out fanatics and nutjobs.

We can never again allow the wall between church and state come down. We can never let Jesus freaks and sack jobs have so much say. Look how screwed up and backward the bible belt and the south is. Social conservative have the right to think whatever they want but should never get there way on anything involving social issues. It takes a lot of balls for conservative states to ban Sharia law when there own redneck laws are not much better. Remember Jesus could not stand fanatics either. He told the Pharisees to go hide in a closet to pray and spare us all the show.
 
Remember the church has a vested interest to create foam at the mouth Jesus freaks because they give more money to the church. Small churches are the worst about this. It is stupid because none of us will know the truth anyway.
 
All of the male dominator god religions vomited up in the middle east are nothing but authoritarian systems, that's all they've ever been.
 
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Religion would probably be a good thing if not for the fanatics who make everything about religion instead of just using it to supplement their lives. It's a shame, but it certainly is a constant.
 
You know whats wrong with Islam. At one time they where as advanced and progressive as the christian world. They where the first to defeat the Mongolian horde on the battle field, they where at the forefront of mathematics and astronomy. So what happened? They allowed the fanatics and regressive thinkers to take over to the point they are still living in the dark ages. They hate change and violently strike out when challenged or made fun of. They are way too conservative.

Christianity went thru this until the 1700s. The holocaust against females the French Inquisition was a prime example. The church in Rome wanted to crack down on heretics and witchcraft. In France they went after herbal healers, midwives and females in general who where single and sexually active. They burned by the thousands after torture. Satanic Metal singer King Diamond said at least Satanist never burned people at the stake for trying to help people and killing people in his name. The Eye of the Witch was his brilliant album addressing the burning courts.

What happened to push Christians out of this horror and stupidity? The Reformation for one. Instead of just the Orthodox church as Tomes only competition now the Protestant movement helped water down the power of Rome. The second was the fall of the monarchy in most European countries. Religion became what it should have been all along. A brick in the foundation of your faith and not rulers and law makers. Islam never want thru this and that is why they are screwed up and don't have the nerve to call out fanatics and nutjobs.

We can never again allow the wall between church and state come down. We can never let Jesus freaks and sack jobs have so much say. Look how screwed up and backward the bible belt and the south is. Social conservative have the right to think whatever they want but should never get there way on anything involving social issues. It takes a lot of balls for conservative states to ban Sharia law when there own redneck laws are not much better. Remember Jesus could not stand fanatics either. He told the Pharisees to go hide in a closet to pray and spare us all the show.

"Religion" is meant for control. It is meant to be dominated by fanatics. It is not the way God intended us to live, but He didn't ever start a religion either.
 
Religion would probably be a good thing if not for the fanatics who make everything about religion instead of just using it to supplement their lives. It's a shame, but it certainly is a constant.

Religion would be a great thing if people like you didn't try to make it political all of the time.
 
Religion would be a great thing if people like you didn't try to make it political all of the time.

Eh, I agree with calamity for the most part. We have people on the fringe on every area, including religion, both on the pro side and on the anti side. It's those fringe people who make it political. The rest of the religious folks just want to practice their faith in peace... and the rest of the non-religious folk just want to practice no "faith" in peace.
 
Eh, I agree with calamity for the most part. We have people on the fringe on every area, including religion, both on the pro side and on the anti side. It's those fringe people who make it political. The rest of the religious folks just want to practice their faith in peace... and the rest of the non-religious folk just want to practice no "faith" in peace.

Amen to that.
 
Eh, I agree with calamity for the most part. We have people on the fringe on every area, including religion, both on the pro side and on the anti side. It's those fringe people who make it political. The rest of the religious folks just want to practice their faith in peace... and the rest of the non-religious folk just want to practice no "faith" in peace.

Well, I guess I have been out of the loop for too long, because I don't run into the religious lunatic fringe too much any more. Occasionally, but not as much as I did years ago. Today it's mostly non-believers, but then, I have a target on my back, so...
 
Amen to that.

I find that this issue is perhaps the ONE issue where moderates on both sides DO band together and go after the extremists on both sides. I've seen it on a number of occasions, both on extreme anti-religious threads and on extreme evangelical threads. I'm not 100% sure why this issue tends to allow people from different sides to be able to shelve their disagreements for the moment and stand together against some of the dishonesty, ignorance, and hate presented by the extremists on either side. Why this issue and not abortion vs. anti-abortion, liberal vs. conservative, pro-gun vs. gun restrictions, ME issues, etc... This would be an interesting thing to examine in more depth.
 
Well, I guess I have been out of the loop for too long, because I don't run into the religious lunatic fringe too much any more. Occasionally, but not as much as I did years ago. Today it's mostly non-believers, but then, I have a target on my back, so...

You're right... that may be because of what you do. But I see them on both sides quite often. Here at DP, too. And both sides are just as nasty and create just as many problems.
 
I find that this issue is perhaps the ONE issue where moderates on both sides DO band together and go after the extremists on both sides. I've seen it on a number of occasions, both on extreme anti-religious threads and on extreme evangelical threads. I'm not 100% sure why this issue tends to allow people from different sides to be able to shelve their disagreements for the moment and stand together against some of the dishonesty, ignorance, and hate presented by the extremists on either side. Why this issue and not abortion vs. anti-abortion, liberal vs. conservative, pro-gun vs. gun restrictions, ME issues, etc... This would be an interesting thing to examine in more depth.

because it is a fundamental "personal" issue that could affect people's daily existence

the rest is just blow back really because I will never know who has had an abortion or who has not when we sit with another couple and chat over drinks there's no scarlet letter upon them and they do not attempt to influence our behaviour

religion does

ultimate control...there is not live and let live

rather it is live and let die
 
Well, I guess I have been out of the loop for too long, because I don't run into the religious lunatic fringe too much any more. Occasionally, but not as much as I did years ago. Today it's mostly non-believers, but then, I have a target on my back, so...

I don't either but I am a non Christian working in a Christian work place

There is no fanaticism because they are real Christ-embracers and they live their word and walk their talk

because of that, they respect ME, I respect them and all is good

that is how it is supposed to be
 
You're right... that may be because of what you do. But I see them on both sides quite often. Here at DP, too. And both sides are just as nasty and create just as many problems.

Here's the thing: atheists and other non-believers are constantly complaining about how religious voters vote. They say "the Evangelicals voted for Trump and this cause" or, "the Catholics voted for that guy and that cause". The last time I looked, if you want a certain guy or a certain cause to win, you convincve as many people as you can to vote your way and I'll convince as many people as I can to vote my way, and if there are more of you than there are of us, you win. That's how it works, right? (This year they are complaining about the popular vote vs. the electoral vote, but they knew the rules going in.)
 
I don't either but I am a non Christian working in a Christian work place

There is no fanaticism because they are real Christ-embracers and they live their word and walk their talk

because of that, they respect ME, I respect them and all is good

that is how it is supposed to be

Well, I am sure they appreciate your subjective judgement. I, on the other hand, am a minister working in a mostly atheist workplace, and I can't report the same experience.
 
Here's the thing: atheists and other non-believers are constantly complaining about how religious voters vote. They say "the Evangelicals voted for Trump and this cause" or, "the Catholics voted for that guy and that cause". The last time I looked, if you want a certain guy or a certain cause to win, you convincve as many people as you can to vote your way and I'll convince as many people as I can to vote my way, and if there are more of you than there are of us, you win. That's how it works, right? (This year they are complaining about the popular vote vs. the electoral vote, but they knew the rules going in.)

The complaints from the religious may be different in nature, but they exist just as much. If abortion is legal, and you don't like it, don't have an abortion. If SSM is legal and you don't like it, don't marry someone of the same sex. If birth control is covered on your insurance plan, and you don't like it, either don't use birth control, don't use your insurance to purchase it, or switch insurance plans. There is no reason to legislate based on religion.
 
Well, I am sure they appreciate your subjective judgement. I, on the other hand, am a minister working in a mostly atheist workplace, and I can't report the same experience.

That isn't reflective of a problem with atheists. It's reflective of a problem with the atheists at your workplace.
 
Well, I am sure they appreciate your subjective judgement. I, on the other hand, am a minister working in a mostly atheist workplace, and I can't report the same experience.

no they likely have zero idea that I am a non Christian, religion is lived not discussed and there in lies the secret...it's knowing others first, caring about them as individuals then how can someone judge another as needing to live another way, believe another way...

I also dated an Evangelical minister for many years...we had zero problem with our different belief systems...he came to respect mine as I did his...he was likely the most non-judgemental, loving individual I have ever met

belief should be lived not yapped about

after a while people notice goodness and ask..."what do you believe"? "what makes you thus"...then the abyss closes and discussion can happen but not before
 
The complaints from the religious may be different in nature, but they exist just as much. If abortion is legal, and you don't like it, don't have an abortion. If SSM is legal and you don't like it, don't marry someone of the same sex. If birth control is covered on your insurance plan, and you don't like it, either don't use birth control, don't use your insurance to purchase it, or switch insurance plans. There is no reason to legislate based on religion.

Nobody's "legislating based on religion". It just happens that the people who have the same political/religious beliefs have other planks in their platform we also agree with, like fiscal issues, geopolitical issues, and so-on.

Personally, I am philosophically a libertarian, so if you don't want reproduce or if you want to abort your own bloodline out of existence I can't stop you. But, I am bound to give you the Church's position, I made a vow, and again, I am not a single issue voter.
 
no they likely have zero idea that I am a non Christian, religion is lived not discussed and there in lies the secret...it's knowing others first, caring about them as individuals then how can someone judge another as needing to live another way, believe another way...

I also dated an Evangelical minister for many years...we had zero problem with our different belief systems...he came to respect mine as I did his...he was likely the most non-judgemental, loving individual I have ever met

belief should be lived not yapped about

after a while people notice goodness and ask..."what do you believe"? "what makes you thus"...then the abyss closes and discussion can happen but not before

That's kinda my gig.
 
That isn't reflective of a problem with atheists. It's reflective of a problem with the atheists at your workplace.

I get that, but I also read many of the writings here and elsewhere on the internet, they are apparently not alone in their views.
 
That's kinda my gig.

then you are living a Christ-like life

I live a Christ-like life, I am just not "Christian"

no one knows that until they ask....what do you believe...

we are all called to serve/heal the earth in different ways according to our gift...if people would stfu and get busy, life would be great for sooooooooo many more
 
Well, I guess I have been out of the loop for too long, because I don't run into the religious lunatic fringe too much any more. Occasionally, but not as much as I did years ago. Today it's mostly non-believers, but then, I have a target on my back, so...

In my experience, the opposite is true. Back in the day--say, the 1970's--religion rarely entered into the political discussion, and very few people wore their beliefs on their sleeve like they do today. Outside of certain areas like maybe the Deep South or traditional bible belt areas, you could go weeks without hearing a single word about Jesus, God or being saved. Likewise, you could walk the streets of any big city in America for weeks and not hear a word from the atheists criticizing religions.

Today, the opposite is true. Almost no day goes by where someone doesn't feel the need to proselytize. I certainly feel I am being bombarded with religious speech and imagery: constantly being asked if I've been saved, seeing huge billboards reminding us that we need to be saved, crosses on hilltops, huge statues of Jesus alongside our highways, etc. So, perhaps what some call the "War on Christmas" is nothing more than atheists simply holding a line which they believe has been crossed by Evangelicals.
 
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