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Should Burkas Be Made Illegal in America?

Learis

Learis

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The burka has a full face covering or one which allows the eyes to be exposed. The reason for this is based off Islamic texts indicating something along the lines that a female ought to cover up sexually appealing parts of her body, and that her face could arguably be the most sexually appealing part.

Burkas are legal in America, and it disturbs me. The primary reason is because I feel it instills a sense of social inequality in how extreme it stresses females to cover and hide themselves. I don't really care for adults who do this and are set in their ways, but I have deep concern for the female children being brought up in America under these kinds of rules by their parents. I view it as an injustice to these children to instill in them this sense of inequality. It is both degrading and inhuman, and outweighs in my eyes the parent's rights of religious freedom to instill these beliefs and customs in their children.

What are your thoughts on the matter?
 
Learis said:
The burka has a full face covering or one which allows the eyes to be exposed. The reason for this is based off Islamic texts indicating something along the lines that a female ought to cover up sexually appealing parts of her body, and that her face could arguably be the most sexually appealing part.

Burkas are legal in America, and it disturbs me. The primary reason is because I feel it instills a sense of social inequality in how extreme it stresses females to cover and hide themselves. I don't really care for adults who do this and are set in their ways, but I have deep concern for the female children being brought up in America under these kinds of rules by their parents. I view it as an injustice to these children to instill in them this sense of inequality. It is both degrading and inhuman, and outweighs in my eyes the parent's rights of religious freedom to instill these beliefs and customs in their children.

What are your thoughts on the matter?
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Your opinion does not out weight the constitution.
 
Learis said:
The burka has a full face covering or one which allows the eyes to be exposed. The reason for this is based off Islamic texts indicating something along the lines that a female ought to cover up sexually appealing parts of her body, and that her face could arguably be the most sexually appealing part.

Burkas are legal in America, and it disturbs me. The primary reason is because I feel it instills a sense of social inequality in how extreme it stresses females to cover and hide themselves. I don't really care for adults who do this and are set in their ways, but I have deep concern for the female children being brought up in America under these kinds of rules by their parents. I view it as an injustice to these children to instill in them this sense of inequality. It is both degrading and inhuman, and outweighs in my eyes the parent's rights of religious freedom to instill these beliefs and customs in their children.

What are your thoughts on the matter?
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Hmmm..

so should a teenage girl be allowed to go shirtless on a hot day like a teenage boy when working in their yard. Wouldn't want to instill in them a sense of inequality.

How about when a person takes their daughter to church and insists she wears a dress... while their male children wear pants? Should this be outlawed?

The examples are endless. In a free country, you should be able to raise your children the way you see fit as long as it doesn't create any substantial harm. and millions of women wear the burka.. and do so out of tradition, respect for their religion and culture and lead productive, happy, and educated lives.
 
I think our government will make full face covering widely illegal, because it gets in the way of camera surveillance.
 
jaeger19 said:
Hmmm..

so should a teenage girl be allowed to go shirtless on a hot day like a teenage boy when working in their yard. Wouldn't want to instill in them a sense of inequality.

How about when a person takes their daughter to church and insists she wears a dress... while their male children wear pants? Should this be outlawed?

The examples are endless. In a free country, you should be able to raise your children the way you see fit as long as it doesn't create any substantial harm. and millions of women wear the burka.. and do so out of tradition, respect for their religion and culture and lead productive, happy, and educated lives.
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I believe substantial harm has been created when a female child is indoctrinated to cover up her entire face for the rest of her public life. It is degrading and inhuman. But if you think otherwise so be it.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
I think our government will make full face covering widely illegal, because it gets in the way of camera surveillance.
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That's an interesting point. It makes it complicated when it comes to I.D.s as well. We are living in a time where religion doesn't fit so well with modern secular values.
 
MrPeanut said:
That's an interesting point. It makes it complicated when it comes to I.D.s as well. We are living in a time where religion doesn't fit so well with modern secular values.
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We have long lived in an age where "SAFETY!" is damn near a sure winner for the call for more government power.

Idiot citizens fall for it most every time.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
We have long lived in an age where "SAFETY!" is damn near a sure winner for the call for more government power.

Idiot citizens fall for it most every time.
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It isn't just government power. It is power in general. After all, the government contracts out a lot of it's power to private businesses.
 
Learis said:
The burka has a full face covering or one which allows the eyes to be exposed. The reason for this is based off Islamic texts indicating something along the lines that a female ought to cover up sexually appealing parts of her body, and that her face could arguably be the most sexually appealing part.

Burkas are legal in America, and it disturbs me. The primary reason is because I feel it instills a sense of social inequality in how extreme it stresses females to cover and hide themselves. I don't really care for adults who do this and are set in their ways, but I have deep concern for the female children being brought up in America under these kinds of rules by their parents. I view it as an injustice to these children to instill in them this sense of inequality. It is both degrading and inhuman, and outweighs in my eyes the parent's rights of religious freedom to instill these beliefs and customs in their children.

What are your thoughts on the matter?
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You mean Constitutionally? No. But we could probably find some way to act as though it weren't a question of Congress passing a law regulating religious practice. We managed it with abortion and force consciously objecting bakers to paticipate in acts in preparation of sin and celebration thereof. So we can certainly manage here. After all, these women must be of evil intent. They're heathen. We can save their souls!
 
Hawkeye10 said:
I think our government will make full face covering widely illegal, because it gets in the way of camera surveillance.
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I think you're correct, at least I hope so.

Face masks are illegal in public in many places. Why should burkas be excluded?
 
Learis said:
The burka has a full face covering or one which allows the eyes to be exposed. The reason for this is based off Islamic texts indicating something along the lines that a female ought to cover up sexually appealing parts of her body, and that her face could arguably be the most sexually appealing part.

Burkas are legal in America, and it disturbs me. The primary reason is because I feel it instills a sense of social inequality in how extreme it stresses females to cover and hide themselves. I don't really care for adults who do this and are set in their ways, but I have deep concern for the female children being brought up in America under these kinds of rules by their parents. I view it as an injustice to these children to instill in them this sense of inequality. It is both degrading and inhuman, and outweighs in my eyes the parent's rights of religious freedom to instill these beliefs and customs in their children.

What are your thoughts on the matter?
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Not illegal entirely no. But anywhere where identification of the face is needed they should be not allowed. such as banks, while driving a car, government buildings etc..
 
Learis said:
The burka has a full face covering or one which allows the eyes to be exposed. The reason for this is based off Islamic texts indicating something along the lines that a female ought to cover up sexually appealing parts of her body, and that her face could arguably be the most sexually appealing part.

Burkas are legal in America, and it disturbs me. The primary reason is because I feel it instills a sense of social inequality in how extreme it stresses females to cover and hide themselves. I don't really care for adults who do this and are set in their ways, but I have deep concern for the female children being brought up in America under these kinds of rules by their parents. I view it as an injustice to these children to instill in them this sense of inequality. It is both degrading and inhuman, and outweighs in my eyes the parent's rights of religious freedom to instill these beliefs and customs in their children.

What are your thoughts on the matter?
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For God's (or Allah's) sake why introduce more stupid laws?
 
Masks are a security issue. One cannot currently go about daily business wearing a mask.
 
Learis said:
The burka has a full face covering or one which allows the eyes to be exposed. The reason for this is based off Islamic texts indicating something along the lines that a female ought to cover up sexually appealing parts of her body, and that her face could arguably be the most sexually appealing part.

Burkas are legal in America, and it disturbs me. The primary reason is because I feel it instills a sense of social inequality in how extreme it stresses females to cover and hide themselves. I don't really care for adults who do this and are set in their ways, but I have deep concern for the female children being brought up in America under these kinds of rules by their parents. I view it as an injustice to these children to instill in them this sense of inequality. It is both degrading and inhuman, and outweighs in my eyes the parent's rights of religious freedom to instill these beliefs and customs in their children.

What are your thoughts on the matter?
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No. I'm against any attempt to design society through legislation.
 
coldjoint said:
Laws are passed to be obeyed. That is what good citizens do.
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I have no problem ignoring a ringing phone, a begging dog or a bad law.
 
ecofarm said:
Masks are a security issue. One cannot currently go about daily business wearing a mask.
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Why not? Is it already illegal?
I personally wouldn't want to do business with a masked person but I sure don't expect the government to force them to remove it, unless it's for identification purposes.
 
Grand Mal said:
Why not? Is it already illegal?
I personally wouldn't want to do business with a masked person but I sure don't expect the government to force them to remove it, unless it's for identification purposes.
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I don't think it's legal to walk around doing business with a mask on, in general. It's difficult to catch a criminal that escapes unmasked but was unseen prior to the crime.

Obviously, walking into some places wearing a mask will result in rude rebuttal.
 
The only thing that can validly be derived from Islamic stipulations is that a woman cover her hair.

On the head of course but that probably applies to other areas as well:mrgreen:

Hence the Hijab.

Niqab (face veil) and burka (full body walking tent) are nowhere described.

As such, suppression of religious freedom would not be the issue as much as educating the wearers accordingly.

That said, I'm leery of any government-imposed clothing order, if identification need be made, the wearers of these garments can be accordingly induced to show their face.

Beyond which I've come across a lot of people that would greatly benefit from wearing a burka and that's not even addressing females.:2razz:
 
Learis said:
The burka has a full face covering or one which allows the eyes to be exposed. The reason for this is based off Islamic texts indicating something along the lines that a female ought to cover up sexually appealing parts of her body, and that her face could arguably be the most sexually appealing part.

Burkas are legal in America, and it disturbs me. The primary reason is because I feel it instills a sense of social inequality in how extreme it stresses females to cover and hide themselves. I don't really care for adults who do this and are set in their ways, but I have deep concern for the female children being brought up in America under these kinds of rules by their parents. I view it as an injustice to these children to instill in them this sense of inequality. It is both degrading and inhuman, and outweighs in my eyes the parent's rights of religious freedom to instill these beliefs and customs in their children.

What are your thoughts on the matter?
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IMO, if someone wants to wear a burka, why should I stop them? If it is imposed by others, that is one thing, but to prohibit it, because you feel uncomfortable??
 
jimbo said:
I think you're correct, at least I hope so.

Face masks are illegal in public in many places. Why should burkas be excluded?
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In the few places where face masks are illegal for security reason I am fine with the face part of a burka being illegal. But in places where masks are permitted then the burka should be permitted.
 
Grand Mal said:
I have no problem ignoring a ringing phone, a begging dog or a bad law.
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Amen, brother. Everyone talks about how incompetent and corrupt our politicians are and yet, somehow, the laws those same people pass are supposed to be worthy of our compliance? I may follow a bad law if breaking it is inconvenient for me, but doing so sure doesn't make me a "good citizen".
 
ecofarm said:
I don't think it's legal to walk around doing business with a mask on, in general. It's difficult to catch a criminal that escapes unmasked but was unseen prior to the crime.

Obviously, walking into some places wearing a mask will result in rude rebuttal.
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I think in most places it is legal in the same way walking around with an AR-15 strapped to your back is legal in many places. You aren't breaking any laws but you are bound to get some attention, and perhaps some questioning by the cops.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
I think in most places it is legal in the same way walking around with an AR-15 strapped to your back is legal in many places. You aren't breaking any laws but you are bound to get some attention, and perhaps some questioning by the cops.
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Should be the same for people with animals. Gross.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
Amen, brother. Everyone talks about how incompetent and corrupt our politicians are and yet, somehow, the laws those same people pass are supposed to be worthy of our compliance? I may follow a bad law if breaking it is inconvenient for me, but doing so sure doesn't make me a "good citizen".
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Question authority. Always.
 
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