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Should Burkas Be Made Illegal in America?

Learis said:
The burka has a full face covering or one which allows the eyes to be exposed. The reason for this is based off Islamic texts indicating something along the lines that a female ought to cover up sexually appealing parts of her body, and that her face could arguably be the most sexually appealing part.

Burkas are legal in America, and it disturbs me. The primary reason is because I feel it instills a sense of social inequality in how extreme it stresses females to cover and hide themselves. I don't really care for adults who do this and are set in their ways, but I have deep concern for the female children being brought up in America under these kinds of rules by their parents. I view it as an injustice to these children to instill in them this sense of inequality. It is both degrading and inhuman, and outweighs in my eyes the parent's rights of religious freedom to instill these beliefs and customs in their children.

What are your thoughts on the matter?
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100% and unequivocally HELL...****ING...NO!!!

This is America and we have a 1st amendnement. Freedom of religion is very important. We should not be acting like a third world country or Europe. Here we should do our level best to respect our rights as citizens. Not subjects.
 
Does anyone here see many women wearing burqas?

I do see a lot of hijabs and when I was younger a lot of the older women at my Catholic church wore head coverings but I have never actually seen a burqa being worn in the US.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
When the Christian Right hears secular they hear Atheism, when they hear Atheism they hear devil worshiper. In other words projection of beliefs.
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When atheists hear religious freedom...they think freedom from religion. That is wrong as well.

Freedom of religion (or lack thereof). Not freedom from religion (or lack thereof).
 
americanwoman said:
Does anyone here see many women wearing burqas?

I do see a lot of hijabs and when I was younger a lot of the older women at my Catholic church wore head coverings but I have never actually seen a burqa being worn in the US.
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Yes. Not ALOT...but periodically. I live in a college town with a lot of Muslims here. Mostly Hijabs. But once in a while.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
When the Christian Right hears secular they hear Atheism, when they hear Atheism they hear devil worshiper. In other words projection of beliefs.
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To be fair, I am an atheist. :) Though I am trying my hardest not to indoctrinate my children. Both my sons are at the ages where they are now asking me questions like "is there a god"? They hear their friends talking about it. I usually answer with something like, "Well, I don't believe there is a god, but a whole lot of people do, including people we love like Grandma and Grandpa." But even with that caveat they are at the age where they think I know everything. So despite my best efforts I am certainly indoctrinating them at least a little.
 
blackjack50 said:
When atheists hear religious freedom...they think freedom from religion. That is wrong as well.

Freedom of religion (or lack thereof). Not freedom from religion (or lack thereof).
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How is it wrong? Freedom from religion just means separation of church and state; Freedom of religion requires freedom from religion, for if there is any established religion, one you could not be free from, every other religion would suffer.

Also, you're an atheist in respect to every religious belief you do not hold.
 
blackjack50 said:
When atheists hear religious freedom...they think freedom from religion. That is wrong as well.

Freedom of religion (or lack thereof). Not freedom from religion (or lack thereof).
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Atheists are actually individuals with different opinions. For example: I am an Atheist yet I do not believe that religion should not be visible. When I see religious items or people engaging in religious activity I see liberty.

Making Burka's illegal is a affront on liberty. In fact making religious clothing illegal is what you would expect from Sharia law or China.
 
Learis said:
The burka has a full face covering or one which allows the eyes to be exposed. The reason for this is based off Islamic texts indicating something along the lines that a female ought to cover up sexually appealing parts of her body, and that her face could arguably be the most sexually appealing part.

Burkas are legal in America, and it disturbs me. The primary reason is because I feel it instills a sense of social inequality in how extreme it stresses females to cover and hide themselves. I don't really care for adults who do this and are set in their ways, but I have deep concern for the female children being brought up in America under these kinds of rules by their parents. I view it as an injustice to these children to instill in them this sense of inequality. It is both degrading and inhuman, and outweighs in my eyes the parent's rights of religious freedom to instill these beliefs and customs in their children.

What are your thoughts on the matter?
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The should be legal except when they are granting court room testimony(the right to face your accuser in a court of law and so juries and judges can gauge how truthful you are being), driver's licenses/id photo, while driving and security sensitive areas.
 
I've only seen one burka and it seemed eerie...oddly out of place....and it was 100 degrees that day. I pitied the woman under all that black covering in the extreme heat....however...I also feel it is her choice and if it's not her choice then yes it still is her choice to be a person who demands or forces her to wear it. I think as 2nd, 3rd, and 4th generation Muslim girls are born and raised in America the idea of wearing a burka will fade away.
 
I think this falls under the protection of the First Amendment...Freedom of Religion, and all of that... The Right usually love that one, not sure what the problem is here...hehe...

It's actually a tougher subject than it appears on the surface. I am opposed to GCT, but I also tend to be opposed to a burqa ban. This has actually created a moral dilemma I wasn't expecting today.....anyone wanna help me out with this? I think it comes down to abuse, but a burqa could be perceived to be abusive, while GCT can be voluntary, therefore how is it abuse? Uh-oh, logic spiral here I come...........help!
 
FreedomFromAll said:
Atheists are actually individuals with different opinions. For example: I am an Atheist yet I do not believe that religion should not be visible. When I see religious items or people engaging in religious activity I see liberty.

Making Burka's illegal is a affront on liberty. In fact making religious clothing illegal is what you would expect from Sharia law or China.
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As are members of the Christian Right. If you are going to assign views based on arbitrary definitions...well...don't be surprised when others do it back. ;) I hope you see where I was going?
 
Spartacus FPV said:
How is it wrong? Freedom from religion just means separation of church and state; Freedom of religion requires freedom from religion, for if there is any established religion, one you could not be free from, every other religion would suffer.

Also, you're an atheist in respect to every religious belief you do not hold.
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It is wrong because you don't have a right to not be exposed to religion. You have a right to your own religion (or in this case no religion). You don't get to legislate that religion needs to go away. i am allowed to have my religion regardless of your beliefs and feelings. As you are to yours and mine. Got it? Make sense? Freedom FROM...implies you have a right to not be exposed. You don't. You have a right to not practice. You have freedom of. That means it is your choice. I can preach to you all day as long as I don't break any particular law. As you can do to me. But I can't force you to practice.
 
Learis said:
The burka has a full face covering or one which allows the eyes to be exposed. The reason for this is based off Islamic texts indicating something along the lines that a female ought to cover up sexually appealing parts of her body, and that her face could arguably be the most sexually appealing part.

Burkas are legal in America, and it disturbs me. The primary reason is because I feel it instills a sense of social inequality in how extreme it stresses females to cover and hide themselves. I don't really care for adults who do this and are set in their ways, but I have deep concern for the female children being brought up in America under these kinds of rules by their parents. I view it as an injustice to these children to instill in them this sense of inequality. It is both degrading and inhuman, and outweighs in my eyes the parent's rights of religious freedom to instill these beliefs and customs in their children.

What are your thoughts on the matter?
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Xénophobes mostly want to overrule the Constitution on that.
 
Learis said:
I believe substantial harm has been created when a female child is indoctrinated to cover up her entire face for the rest of her public life. It is degrading and inhuman. But if you think otherwise so be it.
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That's funny.. if its one thing as a parent I know.. "indoctrination" of teenagers is an oxymoron in the united states. If a parent can figure out how to get a child to do a behavior against their will.. all through highschool, college and their adult life.. because of their upbringing.. despite what they actual wishes are... I 'd like to know their secret :mrgreen:

I think that you assume that because someone does something that they feel is best for themselves.. but YOU don't agree with their decision.. then they must be "indoctrinated".
 
blackjack50 said:
It is wrong because you don't have a right to not be exposed to religion. You have a right to your own religion (or in this case no religion). You don't get to legislate that religion needs to go away. i am allowed to have my religion regardless of your beliefs and feelings. As you are to yours and mine. Got it? Make sense? Freedom FROM...implies you have a right to not be exposed. You don't. You have a right to not practice. You have freedom of. That means it is your choice. I can preach to you all day as long as I don't break any particular law. As you can do to me. But I can't force you to practice.
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The caveat is that I have the right not to be exposed to your religion through government entities.. in other words.. I don't have to listen to you as a teacher expound on why Mormonism. or Fundamental Christianity.. is the one true religion.. and I as a non believer, I am Satans tool.
 
jimbo said:
The problem it seems to me is that while you and I can distinguish between the culture, religion, and politics of Muslim, many of those who practice Muslimism cannot.
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Huh? The fact that most Muslim women do not wear burkas shows that they can and do know the difference between culture and religion.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
To be fair, I am an atheist. :) Though I am trying my hardest not to indoctrinate my children. Both my sons are at the ages where they are now asking me questions like "is there a god"? They hear their friends talking about it. I usually answer with something like, "Well, I don't believe there is a god, but a whole lot of people do, including people we love like Grandma and Grandpa." But even with that caveat they are at the age where they think I know everything. So despite my best efforts I am certainly indoctrinating them at least a little.
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Teach do not indoctrinate. Of course the easy way out is when they ask if X god exists be honest.
 
All bank robbers should wear burkas.

And clown suits.. dont forget clown suits..

The floppy shoes make them easier to catch.
 
RAMOSS said:
There is a lot of similar things that happen , and a lot of it is totally unintentional. However, when it comes to the class of cultures

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This is actually interesting becaue from what I've read women and girls who are put in a situation where they have to go outside without a burka feel stripped naked. They see it as a way to feel anonymous, and yet be themselves. Once they have to show their face then it's much harder to do anything.
 
blackjack50 said:
As are members of the Christian Right. If you are going to assign views based on arbitrary definitions...well...don't be surprised when others do it back. ;) I hope you see where I was going?
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No I do not see where you are going. Hell I dont even see where you came from. Are you sure you quoted the correct post?
 
jaeger19 said:
The caveat is that I have the right not to be exposed to your religion through government entities.. in other words.. I don't have to listen to you as a teacher expound on why Mormonism. or Fundamental Christianity.. is the one true religion.. and I as a non believer, I am Satans tool.
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That is the beauty of secularism. You can't preach hate against my religion from the same stand as we are in class. :)
 
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