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Should Burkas Be Made Illegal in America?

jaeger19 said:
Hmmm..

so should a teenage girl be allowed to go shirtless on a hot day like a teenage boy when working in their yard. Wouldn't want to instill in them a sense of inequality.

How about when a person takes their daughter to church and insists she wears a dress... while their male children wear pants? Should this be outlawed?

The examples are endless. In a free country, you should be able to raise your children the way you see fit as long as it doesn't create any substantial harm. and millions of women wear the burka.. and do so out of tradition, respect for their religion and culture and lead productive, happy, and educated lives.
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However many places use video camera and require that faces not be covered. And driving with a bag over your head is problematic at best.

It's a transvestites dream, though.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
Amen, brother. Everyone talks about how incompetent and corrupt our politicians are and yet, somehow, the laws those same people pass are supposed to be worthy of our compliance? I may follow a bad law if breaking it is inconvenient for me, but doing so sure doesn't make me a "good citizen".
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There is more to life than laws.
 
Learis said:
The burka has a full face covering or one which allows the eyes to be exposed. The reason for this is based off Islamic texts indicating something along the lines that a female ought to cover up sexually appealing parts of her body, and that her face could arguably be the most sexually appealing part.

Burkas are legal in America, and it disturbs me. The primary reason is because I feel it instills a sense of social inequality in how extreme it stresses females to cover and hide themselves. I don't really care for adults who do this and are set in their ways, but I have deep concern for the female children being brought up in America under these kinds of rules by their parents. I view it as an injustice to these children to instill in them this sense of inequality. It is both degrading and inhuman, and outweighs in my eyes the parent's rights of religious freedom to instill these beliefs and customs in their children.

What are your thoughts on the matter?
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My thoughts?
Mind your own ****ing business.
No more laws -- we've more than we need already.
Bank robbers have worn masks since the James Gang rode -- a law against face masks ain't gonna stop 'em.
And lastly, mind your own ****ing business.
Those are my thoughts, yes. :)
 
Skeptic Bob said:
In the few places where face masks are illegal for security reason I am fine with the face part of a burka being illegal. But in places where masks are permitted then the burka should be permitted.
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By my count 12 states + DC have statewide mask regulations. There are other smaller jurisdictions with mask laws. So it's not just a few.
 
jimbo said:
By my count 12 states + DC have statewide mask regulations. There are other smaller jurisdictions with mask laws. So it's not just a few.
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Of course, the existence of a law doesn't make it Constitutional in every case. The draft was fine, but had to make exceptions, where it infringed on religious beliefs.
 
joG said:
Of course, the existence of a law doesn't make it Constitutional in every case. The draft was fine, but had to make exceptions, where it infringed on religious beliefs.
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Then if religion is the issue, somebody needs to explain why other religions are forced to pony up for contraceptives, use their facilities to perform weddings, and bake cakes.
 
The U.S. Army lets Sikh soldiers wear turbans,beards and mustaches.

I doubt that this would make it past the U.S. Supreme Court.
 
Its often said that the US generally trails Europe by about 10 years on the social scale. So rather than considering laws to ban the burka, perhaps people will be better served shopping around for several, trying on a few that they like, wear them on the weekends just to start to get used to them. First comes the hijab...

 
Chagos said:
The only thing that can validly be derived from Islamic stipulations is that a woman cover her hair.

On the head of course but that probably applies to other areas as well:mrgreen:

Hence the Hijab.

Niqab (face veil) and burka (full body walking tent) are nowhere described.

As such, suppression of religious freedom would not be the issue as much as educating the wearers accordingly.

That said, I'm leery of any government-imposed clothing order, if identification need be made, the wearers of these garments can be accordingly induced to show their face.

Beyond which I've come across a lot of people that would greatly benefit from wearing a burka and that's not even addressing females.:2razz:
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First off - it's not religious, it's cultural, or else all women would be wearing them. Most countries do not even have burquas - and hijab is by choice. Countries that do have burquas usually also require a woman to go out with a male. So I doubt security will be an issue in the US. In fact, I don't think I have ever seen anyone in a burqua here.

I agree - no need for laws. I also figure one generation will take care of the custom. It's usually the 2nd generation that assimilates.
 
jimbo said:
Then if religion is the issue, somebody needs to explain why other religions are forced to pony up for contraceptives, use their facilities to perform weddings, and bake cakes.
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You are right. Our jurisprudence left the basis of the Constitution gradually over the last decades. The rate was slow, but the cumulative effect is now reaching a point, where the backlash has become more and more probable as the anger has mounted. It is one of the reasons we got Trump for President.
 
Angelus said:
First off - it's not religious, it's cultural, or else all women would be wearing them. Most countries do not even have burquas - and hijab is by choice. Countries that do have burquas usually also require a woman to go out with a male. So I doubt security will be an issue in the US. In fact, I don't think I have ever seen anyone in a burqua here.

I agree - no need for laws. I also figure one generation will take care of the custom. It's usually the 2nd generation that assimilates.
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The problem it seems to me is that while you and I can distinguish between the culture, religion, and politics of Muslim, many of those who practice Muslimism cannot.
 
jimbo said:
By my count 12 states + DC have statewide mask regulations. There are other smaller jurisdictions with mask laws. So it's not just a few.
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Seems you are correct. CND: State Codes Related To Wearing Masks

Though many of those with such laws only prohibit it if the intention is to hide one's identity in the commission of a crime. But not all. A couple are so broad that it could be interpreted to outlaw full face helmets on motorcycles, which seems absurd.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
Seems you are correct. CND: State Codes Related To Wearing Masks

Though many of those with such laws only prohibit it if the intention is to hide one's identity in the commission of a crime. But not all. A couple are so broad that it could be interpreted to outlaw full face helmets on motorcycles, which seems absurd.
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Generally, safety and medical masks are exempted, but I believe you are correct. Some laws are so broad they could be construed to restrict lipstick and eye shadow.

A little exaggeration but that's the point.
 
Learis said:
The burka has a full face covering or one which allows the eyes to be exposed. The reason for this is based off Islamic texts indicating something along the lines that a female ought to cover up sexually appealing parts of her body, and that her face could arguably be the most sexually appealing part.

Burkas are legal in America, and it disturbs me. The primary reason is because I feel it instills a sense of social inequality in how extreme it stresses females to cover and hide themselves. I don't really care for adults who do this and are set in their ways, but I have deep concern for the female children being brought up in America under these kinds of rules by their parents. I view it as an injustice to these children to instill in them this sense of inequality. It is both degrading and inhuman, and outweighs in my eyes the parent's rights of religious freedom to instill these beliefs and customs in their children.

What are your thoughts on the matter?
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I'm for allowing people to wear whatever they like. It is a freedom that hurts nobody.
 
fmw said:
I'm for allowing people to wear whatever they like. It is a freedom that hurts nobody.
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Do you think instilling in a female child's brain that they need to cover their entire face for the rest of their public lives is hurtful to them?
 
Learis said:
Do you think instilling in a female child's brain that they need to cover their entire face for the rest of their public lives is hurtful to them?
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No. It is ridiculous but not hurtful. When the child matures, she can ignore the training.
 
Learis said:
Do you think instilling in a female child's brain that they need to cover their entire face for the rest of their public lives is hurtful to them?
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Do you think that the sexualization of young girls in a female child's brain hurtful to them?? For example, and the little miss beauty contexts.
 
RAMOSS said:
Do you think that the sexualization of young girls in a female child's brain hurtful to them?? For example, and the little miss beauty contexts.
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Tough question. If the parents instill in the child's mind that being as beautiful and sexy as possible is the primary focus they need to have in life, then yes. But if everything is done within reason then I would say no. I don't put little miss beauty contests on the same level as being told to cover one's face for the rest of their life because their face is an innapropriate image for men to look at.
 
Learis said:
Tough question. If the parents instill in the child's mind that being as beautiful and sexy as possible is the primary focus they need to have in life, then yes. But if everything is done within reason then I would say no. I don't put little miss beauty contests on the same level as being told to cover one's face for the rest of their life because their face is an innapropriate image for men to look at.
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There is a lot of similar things that happen , and a lot of it is totally unintentional. However, when it comes to the class of cultures

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Learis said:
Do you think instilling in a female child's brain that they need to cover their entire face for the rest of their public lives is hurtful to them?
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Perhaps. I also think that perhaps it is harmful to teach children that their friends and family who don't believe the same things they do will burn for all eternity in hell. I personally am raising my kids in a secular manner. There are probably religious people who think that is dangerous brainwashing.

It is definitely complicated. Just remember, the more power we give to the government in interfering with the parent/child relationship the more likely they may one day interfere with how you raise your kids, if or when you have them.
 
Learis said:
Do you think instilling in a female child's brain that they need to cover their entire face for the rest of their public lives is hurtful to them?
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How else do you propose they convince them as adults that being a second class citizen and getting beaten for disobeying their husbands is an act of love if you dont start them off as children?
 
Learis said:
The burka has a full face covering or one which allows the eyes to be exposed. The reason for this is based off Islamic texts indicating something along the lines that a female ought to cover up sexually appealing parts of her body, and that her face could arguably be the most sexually appealing part.

Burkas are legal in America, and it disturbs me. The primary reason is because I feel it instills a sense of social inequality in how extreme it stresses females to cover and hide themselves. I don't really care for adults who do this and are set in their ways, but I have deep concern for the female children being brought up in America under these kinds of rules by their parents. I view it as an injustice to these children to instill in them this sense of inequality. It is both degrading and inhuman, and outweighs in my eyes the parent's rights of religious freedom to instill these beliefs and customs in their children.

What are your thoughts on the matter?
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Clothing is a form of expression. Outlawing burqas would violate the first amendment.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
Perhaps. I also think that perhaps it is harmful to teach children that their friends and family who don't believe the same things they do will burn for all eternity in hell. I personally am raising my kids in a secular manner. There are probably religious people who think that is dangerous brainwashing.

It is definitely complicated. Just remember, the more power we give to the government in interfering with the parent/child relationship the more likely they may one day interfere with how you raise your kids, if or when you have them.
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When the Christian Right hears secular they hear Atheism, when they hear Atheism they hear devil worshiper. In other words projection of beliefs.
 
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