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The Rapture

Does your denomination believe in the Rapture

  • yes

    Votes: 5 22.7%
  • no

    Votes: 16 72.7%
  • I don't know

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • It does, but I don't

    Votes: 1 4.5%

  • Total voters
    22
So that is supposed to "prove" that religious people are the most evil people in the world? LOL


There are many churches in this town that serve free meals, give out clothing and otherwise facilitate social services to the poor, those evil bastards.

Meanwhile, never heard of an Atheist charity.

If folks were followers of Jesus rather than religious, we would have a society where no one required charity.

Never gonna happen. Especially here. We require people to look down on, blame, and despise. It's just who we are as a society.
 
If folks were followers of Jesus rather than religious, we would have a society where no one required charity.

Never gonna happen. Especially here. We require people to look down on, blame, and despise. It's just who we are as a society.

Jesus said we will always have the poor among us. Being a follower of Jesus was never promised to make a perfect world.
 
“We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one-another.”Jonathan Swift

“Religion seems to be connected with violence virtually everywhere. . . . In recent years, religious violence has erupted among right-wing Christians in the United States, angry Muslims and Jews in the Middle East, quarrelling Hindus and Muslims in South Asia, and indigenous religious communities in Africa and Indonesia. . . . The individuals involved in these cases have relied on religion to provide political identities and give license to vengeful ideologies.”—Terror in the Mind of God—The Global Rise of Religious Violence.

“Ironically, nations with fervent religion often have the worst social evils. . . . The saturation of religion has failed to prevent the severe crime level. . . . The evidence seems clear: To find living conditions that are safe, decent, orderly, and ‘civilized,’ avoid places with intense religion.”—Holy Hatred.

“Baptists are much better known for fighting than for peacemaking. . . . When the [American] slavery issue and other developments divided the denominations and then the nation in the nineteenth century, Baptists North and South supported the war effort as a righteous crusade and assumed that God was on their side. Baptists also identified with the national effort in wars with England (1812), Mexico (1845), and Spain (1898), justifying the last two ‘mainly on the grounds of bringing religious liberty to oppressed peoples and opening new areas for mission work.’ The point is not that Baptists desired war rather than peace, but that, for the most part, when war became a reality Baptists supported and participated in the effort.”—Review and Expositor—A Baptist Theological Journal.

“Religious motivation to combat has been located by historians in most eras and among virtually all the world’s diverse peoples and cultures, and usually on both sides in any given war. The hoary cry that ‘the gods are on our side’ was among the earliest and most potent of incitements to battle.”—The Age of Wars of Religion, 1000-1650—An Encyclopedia of Global Warfare and Civilization.

“Religious leaders . . . need to reflect more critically on their own failure to provide more effective leadership and witness to the true fundamental values of their respective faiths. . . . It is true that all religions aspire to peace but it is questionable whether religion has ever fulfilled that role.”—Violence in God’s Name—Religion in an Age of Conflict.
 
So that is supposed to "prove" that religious people are the most evil people in the world? LOL


There are many churches in this town that serve free meals, give out clothing and otherwise facilitate social services to the poor, those evil bastards.

Meanwhile, never heard of an Atheist charity.

There is a lot you haven't heard of. But then one wonders if you are the least bit interested in learning. Secular charities - FreeThoughtPedia. Lots of people give away food and clothing, I do for instance. If churches stopped that immediately, there'd be others taking up the slack. All xian charities are corrupt with little of the money going to the needy and most of it to the church. The Vatican is a case in point.
 
Jesus said we will always have the poor among us. Being a follower of Jesus was never promised to make a perfect world.

Well he didn't he never existed. More people are poor because of religion than many other causes.
 
Yeah? Where?

For you always have the poor with you, but you will not always have me.” John 12:8, also Matthew 26:11, Mark 14:7...cross reference...Deuteronomy 15:11
 
For you always have the poor with you, but you will not always have me.” John 12:8, also Matthew 26:11, Mark 14:7...cross reference...Deuteronomy 15:11


Didn't see "you will have".
 
“We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one-another.”Jonathan Swift

“Religion seems to be connected with violence virtually everywhere. . . . In recent years, religious violence has erupted among right-wing Christians in the United States, angry Muslims and Jews in the Middle East, quarrelling Hindus and Muslims in South Asia, and indigenous religious communities in Africa and Indonesia. . . . The individuals involved in these cases have relied on religion to provide political identities and give license to vengeful ideologies.”—Terror in the Mind of God—The Global Rise of Religious Violence.

“Ironically, nations with fervent religion often have the worst social evils. . . . The saturation of religion has failed to prevent the severe crime level. . . . The evidence seems clear: To find living conditions that are safe, decent, orderly, and ‘civilized,’ avoid places with intense religion.”—Holy Hatred.

“Baptists are much better known for fighting than for peacemaking. . . . When the [American] slavery issue and other developments divided the denominations and then the nation in the nineteenth century, Baptists North and South supported the war effort as a righteous crusade and assumed that God was on their side. Baptists also identified with the national effort in wars with England (1812), Mexico (1845), and Spain (1898), justifying the last two ‘mainly on the grounds of bringing religious liberty to oppressed peoples and opening new areas for mission work.’ The point is not that Baptists desired war rather than peace, but that, for the most part, when war became a reality Baptists supported and participated in the effort.”—Review and Expositor—A Baptist Theological Journal.

“Religious motivation to combat has been located by historians in most eras and among virtually all the world’s diverse peoples and cultures, and usually on both sides in any given war. The hoary cry that ‘the gods are on our side’ was among the earliest and most potent of incitements to battle.”—The Age of Wars of Religion, 1000-1650—An Encyclopedia of Global Warfare and Civilization.

“Religious leaders . . . need to reflect more critically on their own failure to provide more effective leadership and witness to the true fundamental values of their respective faiths. . . . It is true that all religions aspire to peace but it is questionable whether religion has ever fulfilled that role.”—Violence in God’s Name—Religion in an Age of Conflict.

Religion, the Oldest Weapon of Mass Destruction in Human History, and without religion; https://www.psychologytoday.com/blo...lar-societies-fare-better-religious-societies
 
Throughout history, it has been the religious folks who have and are the most evil and the most dedicated hypocrites.

Mao Ze-Dong 78,000,00 people murdered

Jozef Stalin 22,000,000 people murdered

Pol Pot 1,700,000 people murdered

Kim II Sung 1.6 million people murdered

Tito 570,000 people murdered

Suharto 500,000 people murdered

Ante Pavelic 359,000 people murdered

Ho Chi Min 200,000 people murdered

Adolf Hitler 12,000,000 people murdered

Should I list any more atheist leaders of countries that killed a **** of people? I would actually like you to prove that religious people are worse than atheists in this regard. Keep in mind that I'm not saying atheists are worse or better.
 
Mao Ze-Dong 78,000,00 people murdered

Jozef Stalin 22,000,000 people murdered

Pol Pot 1,700,000 people murdered

Kim II Sung 1.6 million people murdered

Tito 570,000 people murdered

Suharto 500,000 people murdered

Ante Pavelic 359,000 people murdered

Ho Chi Min 200,000 people murdered

Adolf Hitler 12,000,000 people murdered

Should I list any more atheist leaders of countries that killed a **** of people? I would actually like you to prove that religious people are worse than atheists in this regard. Keep in mind that I'm not saying atheists are worse or better.

See my link in the above post. All these people were insane and killed because of that insanity not in the name of atheism. The deaths caused by religions throughout history and around the world are all done in the name of imaginary entities and far out-number the death toll of the insane.
 
See my link in the above post. All these people were insane and killed because of that insanity not in the name of atheism. The deaths caused by religions throughout history and around the world are all done in the name of imaginary entities and far out-number the death toll of the insane.

So you think people that murder in the name of religion are not insane? And how do you account for the fact that some of these individuals that I listed murdered religious people because of their faith?
 
Mao Ze-Dong 78,000,00 people murdered

Jozef Stalin 22,000,000 people murdered

Pol Pot 1,700,000 people murdered

Kim II Sung 1.6 million people murdered

Tito 570,000 people murdered

Suharto 500,000 people murdered

Ante Pavelic 359,000 people murdered

Ho Chi Min 200,000 people murdered

Adolf Hitler 12,000,000 people murdered

Should I list any more atheist leaders of countries that killed a **** of people? I would actually like you to prove that religious people are worse than atheists in this regard. Keep in mind that I'm not saying atheists are worse or better.

Hominids mass murder for a limited array of reasons, religion is a quite nice organizing principle to get a population to do that for you.
 
LOL, only response that nonsense merits.

He should probably research the history of charity, orphanages and welfare.

Churches help shape how charities operate today
Orphanages were invented by the church.
Welfare would have never happened if it wasn't for nuns pushing the idea
 
He should probably research the history of charity, orphanages and welfare.

Churches help shape how charities operate today
Orphanages were invented by the church.
Welfare would have never happened if it wasn't for nuns pushing the idea

He is an anti theist and his only interest is hating on Christianity. Interestingly, such people rarely hate on Islam.
 
I think most people tend to hold religious organizations on a higher plane than other organizations because they are supposed to radiate Christ-like love though few actually do...that is the difference between them and say atheists, for example, who never claimed to...
 
So you think people that murder in the name of religion are not insane? And how do you account for the fact that some of these individuals that I listed murdered religious people because of their faith?

Not all of them. We can't prevent insanity, we can prevent religion. Of course, believing in imaginary beings and events which never occurred is a classic sign of mental illness.
 
Not all of them. We can't prevent insanity, we can prevent religion. Of course, believing in imaginary beings and events which never occurred is a classic sign of mental illness.

Don't blame the Creator when humans take His words and distort or twist them to serve their purpose...
 
He is an anti theist and his only interest is hating on Christianity. Interestingly, such people rarely hate on Islam.

I am against all religions which promote ignorance, murder, rape, child abuse, war, etc. Most notably this describes xianity to a T and is well documented in the Book Of Lies called the bible.
 
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