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Kentuky governor "Pray the Crime away" [W:43]

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Tanngrisnir said:
LOL! And yet you can't cite any of it. How predictable.

You're engaging in what rational adults call 'dishonesty'.

Sorry you had to run from your claim.

Good luck with that magical thinking.
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I'm not running from anything you are asking for "very very specific" data on an event that has never happened nor any event even remotely similar.

Now the only thing you can is lob personal insults because you know just how dishonest your post was
 
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Crovax said:
Now the only thing you can is lob personal insults because you know just how dishonest your post was
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Wow...that statement sure is ironic.
 
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Crovax said:
There is plenty of data that my argument is based one however you are the one who made the ridiculous qualifier of "very very specific" data.

You're engaging in what rational adults call trolling
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IF there is 'plenty of data', do , present it. Feel free to show your source on that data so it can be objectively examined.
 
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Skeptic Bob said:
Obviously the prayer won't do anything. But walking around in groups could reduce the violence, depending on the nature of the violence in the first place. Just sounds like Neighborhood Watch.
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I would think cops would be a better choice, they may not be well received.
 
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Crovax said:
I'm not running from anything you are asking for "very very specific" data on an event that has never happened nor any event even remotely similar.
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Oh, dear. Your reading comprehension seems to be tripping you up yet again. I didn't ask for 'very very specific' data. I asked for any data that supports your claim and requested that you be very very specific about that. I can understand why you're so lost here.
Now the only thing you can is lob personal insults because you know just how dishonest your post was
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What insults? You're being rankly dishonest, you're running from your claim and you're engaging in magical thinking.
 
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Ikari said:
The United States has the highest prison population per capita than anyone else in the world. Roughly 300,000 is so far away from "emptying the prisons" that it's laughable to even make the suggestion.

But let's see the data on this, how releasing a small number of non-violent criminals will directly cause the crime rate to explode. And try to remember, correlation is not causation.

Other than that, you merely had made an argument based on absurd hyperbole and intellectual dishonesty to try to distract (red herring) from the actual topic, which is the FACT that praying the crime away will not work.

So perhaps you should just keep the rest of those ad homs to yourself.
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You are the one being intellectually dishonest... wait I take that back you have to have intelligence for that. I didnt make an absurd hyperbole you chose your own meaning and then claimed that what I meant even though multiple times I specifically told you that it wasnt.
 
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RAMOSS said:
Well, there is a problem with that data. It says nothing about what the effect of legalizing drugs (or decriminalizing drugs) would be. Absolutely zero on that subject.

I guess what you have is nothing.
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^^^ This.
 
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Slingshot Bob said:
I would think cops would be a better choice, they may not be well received.
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Like I said, it depends on the nature of the crime. If it is gang violence then it probably won't work. If it is criminals acting alone, then it might.

Obviously cops would be better. I'm guessing part of the problem is they don't have enough. Of course, if some private citizen gets killed following the mayor's instructions there is going to be fallout.
 
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Tanngrisnir said:
Oh, dear. Your reading comprehension seems to be tripping you up yet again. I didn't ask for 'very very specific' data. I asked for any data that supports your claim and requested that you be very very specific about that. I can understand why you're so lost here.

What insults? You're being rankly dishonest, you're running from your claim and you're engaging in magical thinking.
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Im being dishonest for pointing our how absurd your standard of proof is? Ill wait for your "very very specific" data that can disprove my claim since it is clearly way over your head that there is no data either way on the subject because it would be so unprecedented and I was merely engaging in a discussion.
 
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Crovax said:
You are the one being intellectually dishonest... wait I take that back you have to have intelligence for that. I didnt make an absurd hyperbole you chose your own meaning and then claimed that what I meant even though multiple times I specifically told you that it wasnt.
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By stating that people are trying to empty the prisons by suggestion that we should allow non-violent offenders out for small crimes is indeed an absurd hyperbolic statement. It's so far from the reality that it is laughable.

The Red Herring aside, praying the crime away will not work. There is zero evidence that prayer will have any effect on the crime rate.

Praying for something is the ancient equivalent of people taking out their cell phones and recording an altercation. They aren't doing anything, they aren't helping anyone, but they feel that they are making things better or protecting themselves/others. It's a pointless gesture that will have no effect in the end.
 
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RAMOSS said:
Well, there is a problem with that data. It says nothing about what the effect of legalizing drugs (or decriminalizing drugs) would be. Absolutely zero on that subject.

I guess what you have is nothing.
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How can you have data on something that hasnt happened nor anything similar ever happened?

You are asking for the impossible and adding nothing on your side to back up your argument.

Literally the definition of trolling, ill wait for your data.
 
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Ikari said:
By stating that people are trying to empty the prisons by suggestion that we should allow non-violent offenders out for small crimes is indeed an absurd hyperbolic statement. It's so far from the reality that it is laughable.

The Red Herring aside, praying the crime away will not work. There is zero evidence that prayer will have any effect on the crime rate.

Praying for something is the ancient equivalent of people taking out their cell phones and recording an altercation. They aren't doing anything, they aren't helping anyone, but they feel that they are making things better or protecting themselves/others. It's a pointless gesture that will have no effect in the end.
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Agreed, but releasing 300,000 people will make the crime rate go up. So prayer is better but neither is worth doing as a public policy.
 
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Crovax said:
Im being dishonest for pointing our how absurd your standard of proof is? Ill wait for your "very very specific" data that can disprove my claim since it is clearly way over your head that there is no data either way on the subject because it would be so unprecedented and I was merely engaging in a discussion.
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Again, your reading comprehension is utterly failing you. I didn't ask for 'very very specific' data. I asked for you to be very very specific about the data, and as of yet you've turned tail and run and have supplied none.

It's OK that you're completely out of your depth here. Again.
 
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Crovax said:
Agreed, but releasing 300,000 people will make the crime rate go up. So prayer is better but neither is worth doing as a public policy.
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It may make "crime" go up, but there's no indication it will significantly impact violent crime. Furthermore, if the initial crimes are decriminalized, that takes away from recidivism. There's no evidence that not locking non-violent criminals way increases the rate of violent crimes against others. There's over 2,400,000 people in prison, that takes a lot of money to house. And even if you throw out 300,000, you sill have over 2 million people in prison.

The rest of the world doesn't really seem to have a problem with not throwing people in jail for every little offense out there. We have like 4.4% of the world's population and 22% of the prison population. So obviously there's something wrong, and not imprisoning people for small, non-violent crimes will not cause our violent crime rate to explode.
 
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Ikari said:
It may make "crime" go up, but there's no indication it will significantly impact violent crime. Furthermore, if the initial crimes are decriminalized, that takes away from recidivism. There's no evidence that not locking non-violent criminals way increases the rate of violent crimes against others. There's over 2,400,000 people in prison, that takes a lot of money to house. And even if you throw out 300,000, you sill have over 2 million people in prison.
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Well you have it right and wrong. Yes there are 2.4 millionish people in the prison system but 800k are short term in city/county jail. They are pretty much irrelevant to the issue. We are talking about releasing 300,000 straight from the for real "pound you in the ass" prisons and its farcical to qualify a drug dealer, which is what the vast majority in the real prisons are for drug offenses, as non violent. Drugs and violence go hand in hand and its much easier to catch someone in the middle of a drug deal than in the middle of a beating or a murder.

The rest of the world doesn't really seem to have a problem with not throwing people in jail for every little offense out there. We have like 4.4% of the world's population and 22% of the prison population. So obviously there's something wrong, and not imprisoning people for small, non-violent crimes will not cause our violent crime rate to explode.
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So which side of the argument are you taking here because you seem to imply that "small non violent criminals" make up most of our prisoners yet that letting them out wouldn't qualify as "emptying"
 
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Crovax said:
How can you have data on something that hasnt happened nor anything similar ever happened?

You are asking for the impossible and adding nothing on your side to back up your argument.

Literally the definition of trolling, ill wait for your data.
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Why, yes, there is data. Look at what happened when Portugal decriminalized drugs, to the addiction rate, and to crime, and the rates of HIV caused by sharing needles.
 
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Folks, all of you need to cut out the trolling/baiting and stick to discussing the topic without the additional sniping and goading asides.
 
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Crovax said:
It will most certainly work better than legalizing drugs and emptying the prisons.
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Uhhh...who suggested emptying the prisons? As for legalizing drugs, you are repeating a very old and tired conservative argument that is really just dogma. The war on drugs, begun by and inflated by conservatives, has been one of the most glaring failures of this country. In fact, whenever "law and order" conservatives start outlawing ****, you know that somewhere another conservative is making a fortune on it. American drug policy is no different. It exists in sharp contradiction to rational public healthy policy, a just justice system and laws that actually protect people.

All we've done is enrich cartels, lock up our black population, especially, and create a private prison system that enriches American conservatives. It does NOTHING to mitigate any of the harms of drug abuse. Now, get back into your time machine and set the controls for 2017, a time when we have enough perspective to know that your drug hysteria is just a modern form of political dogma and is worthless to anyone who really cares to make a difference, other than to the profitability of those who exploit your fears.
 
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