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Sorry so long to respond, it's been a crazy week!
Yup, no worries, no one's trying to convince you.
Mmmm..no. The old testament and the tanakh are essentially the same thing, here's a good explanation I was able to find:
https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-differences-between-the-Hebrew-Bible-and-the-Old-Testament
lol...ok, well, first of all, you're not disillusioning me here, as I think we are probably both pretty confident in where we stand. I don't agree with you. You don't agree with me. That's allowed.
Hmmm...but if one must consider the third category, then you also must acknowledge a fourth: people who do good things in the name their god. They are theists too... And, a fifth and a sixth: people who do good and bad things in the name of someone else's god, being non believers themselves, but borrowing the branding. So confusing! Not conclusive evidence that religion is bad...
Ok, let's get on with the flogging and nailing, then. Maybe if you let me know which of these beliefs are problematic (other than the belief that God exists, which I've taken out of scope of this conversation, since we agree that this is a non-debatable for you), I can give my 2 cents on them to work through it? Spoiler alert: I may agree with you on some of them...hehe... But let's see what you've got.
Again agreed. I will not argue with faith. But if you start to say you have evidence of a god or even a good reason for belief then i will argue the point. As an atheist i take the view that the lack of belief in a god arises from the fact that no evidence of one has ever been produced nor has anyone ever come up with a good reason for the existence of one. Therefor their is no reason to even consider a god let alone argue the existence of one.
Yup, no worries, no one's trying to convince you.
No, not really. The jews have there own books to follow and ignore the bible. The new testament is nothing more than a christians ( paul) attempt to sell the religion to the gentiles. Hence the change from a covenant with god the jews had to a more acceptable acceptance of jesus which the gentiles have.
Mmmm..no. The old testament and the tanakh are essentially the same thing, here's a good explanation I was able to find:
https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-differences-between-the-Hebrew-Bible-and-the-Old-Testament
No hate to disillusion you there but... if you take the religion out of it all you have left is a really badly written self help book. Leave the religion in and what you have is a book so badly written that one could take from it that you should help little old ladies across the street or pick up a gun and start murdering abortion clinic doctors.
lol...ok, well, first of all, you're not disillusioning me here, as I think we are probably both pretty confident in where we stand. I don't agree with you. You don't agree with me. That's allowed.
Unfortunately it is a case that good people will do good things regardless of whether they are a christian or an atheist. And bad people will do bad things. But there is also a third catagory of people who do bad things in the name of a god. And you have to be a theist to be that kind of person.
Hmmm...but if one must consider the third category, then you also must acknowledge a fourth: people who do good things in the name their god. They are theists too... And, a fifth and a sixth: people who do good and bad things in the name of someone else's god, being non believers themselves, but borrowing the branding. So confusing! Not conclusive evidence that religion is bad...
That was just the easy bit. Like the conversation with pilate. Wait till we get to the flogging and nailing of your beliefs to a cross. Then we will see if your so generous.
Ok, let's get on with the flogging and nailing, then. Maybe if you let me know which of these beliefs are problematic (other than the belief that God exists, which I've taken out of scope of this conversation, since we agree that this is a non-debatable for you), I can give my 2 cents on them to work through it? Spoiler alert: I may agree with you on some of them...hehe... But let's see what you've got.