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How Much Thought Went In To Creating Man?

Before God created man...

Lucifer, the most exalted angel, questioned God's sovereignty and began a rebellion against Him.

God created man to settle the issue. If mere people, without direct contact with God (the Father), would recognize His sovereignty, then obviously God was right and Lucifer was wrong. Due to man's lack of direct contact with God, man's faith would be even more impressive than that of the angels. This is why man will take a place above angels in heaven.

That's the plan.
 
ecofarm said:
Before God created man...

Lucifer, the most exalted angel, questioned God's sovereignty and began a rebellion against Him.

God created man to settle the issue. If mere people, without direct contact with God (the Father), would recognize His sovereignty, then obviously God was right and Lucifer was wrong. Due to man's lack of direct contact with God, man's faith would be even more impressive than that of the angels. This is why man will take a place above angels in heaven.

That's the plan.
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That would make a great board game.
 
zyzygy said:
It would make a pleasant diversion from reality.
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It could serve as a tool for conveying values and metaphysical contemplation.
 
Rexedgar said:
He/she screwed up, bigly, playground too close to the sewer system!
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It's simply amazing that we contain several enzimes, that can kill us quickly, in our bodies, if they get away from where they're supposed to be. Sepsis is the old term.
 
ecofarm said:
Before God created man...

Lucifer, the most exalted angel, questioned God's sovereignty and began a rebellion against Him.

God created man to settle the issue. If mere people, without direct contact with God (the Father), would recognize His sovereignty, then obviously God was right and Lucifer was wrong. Due to man's lack of direct contact with God, man's faith would be even more impressive than that of the angels. This is why man will take a place above angels in heaven.

That's the plan.
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Why does an omnipotent God need self-validation in the face of some angel God himself created?

I sense an ego issue with this God.
 
zyzygy said:
Some of us have lives to get on with.
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Conveying values and metaphysical contemplation is part of life. Despite being an atheist and rejecting anything supernatural, all my life, I find religion a useful tool regarding such. Failing to recognize and utilize religion during personal interaction is leaving a tool unused in the toolbox of communication.

Ultimately, the suppression of metaphysical expression is low class and authoritarian.
 
<alt>doxygen said:
Why does an omnipotent God need self-validation in the face of some angel God himself created?

I sense an ego issue with this God.
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It's not self-validation because free will exists. It's about good vs. evil, right vs. wrong, values, traditions, morals, ethics and other metaphysical questions. The heavenly conflict serves as a foundation for understanding the internal conflicts of individuals and communities. At its heart, religion is a philosophical endeavor. An established doctrine serves as a bridge for communication in the philosophical endeavor of metaphysical expression.

Metaphysical expression is part of human nature. It only makes sense to organize it so as to be inter-personally useful. One need not accept any doctrine or dogma to take part in personal exchange.
 
rhinefire said:
Did God decide to create man when it happened? How long did he/she contemplate the decision? What was his plan before it all blew up in his face?
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Imo there's really no way to know the answer to your first or second question. You'll find the answer to your third question in Genesis 1:28...Further, God blessed them, and God said to them: “Be fruitful and become many, fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving on the earth.”

God's plan was for Adam and Eve to fill the earth with perfect humans, with the prospect of living forever on a paradise earth...only after they disobeyed, was that plan temporarily detained...
 
Moot said:
For an argument such as the OP...first you need to prove that God exists. IE: who or what created God?
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The fact that you think God had a creator shows me that you're not equipped to be having this discussion.
 
devildavid said:
Random chance.
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"If that’s the best argument you have, then the game is over."
--Antony Flew, legendary ex-atheist philosopher, on Richard Dawkins' "lucky chance" pseudo-argument
 
trumpgirl said:
The fact that you think God had a creator shows me that you're not equipped to be having this discussion.
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It's pretty obvious that not much thought went into your response, either.



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Moot said:
It's pretty obvious that not much thought went into your response, either.



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Can you really not figure out why asking what created God is such a stupid response? Are you really that ignorant of the reasoned-to necessary attributes not only of God, but any first cause explanation for existence. Goodness gracious. Please, leave the discussion, for your own good.
 
trumpgirl said:
Can you really not figure out why asking what created God is such a stupid response? Are you really that ignorant of the reasoned-to necessary attributes not only of God, but any first cause explanation for existence. Goodness gracious. Please, leave the discussion, for your own good.
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Oh my...feeling a bit self righteous today?


It is reasonable to ask what created the universe [or man], but if the answer is God then the question has merely been deflected to that of who created God. - Steven Hawking

Man in his arrogance thinks himself a great work, worthy of interposition of a deity. More humble and I think truer to consider himself created from animals. - Charles Darwin

If God didn't exist, it would be neccessary to invent him. - Voltaire

Man created God in his own image. Without God, a man is just a man, but God without man is nothing.


Now, since you've added nothing of value to the discussion, perhaps you're the one that should leave...and please, for God's sake, don't come back until you do. :2wave:
 
trumpgirl said:
"If that’s the best argument you have, then the game is over."
--Antony Flew, legendary ex-atheist philosopher, on Richard Dawkins' "lucky chance" pseudo-argument
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What is the game that is over?
 
trumpgirl said:
"If that’s the best argument you have, then the game is over."
--Antony Flew, legendary ex-atheist philosopher, on Richard Dawkins' "lucky chance" pseudo-argument
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OF course, you do realize that was given after he was starting to get demenitia, and he had admitted he did not look into the actual claim, but was rather accepting what the claim was from some religious apologists?? At the point, he couldn't even remember arguments that he himself made.
 
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