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ISIS: The Embodiment of Islam [W 11]

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coldjoint said:
That is not the subject. What warps the minds is. That is what Islam does, not one person, and you know what I mean.
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I don't know what you mean. Can you clarify? That sentence is garbled.
 
Alone this statement in the article cited in the OP
In their quest to deflect any criticism of Islam, the Muslim Brotherhood even coined the term "Islamophobia" in 1991 in their Explanatory Memorandum On The General Strategic Goal for the Group in North America.
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shows the worth of the whole article.

Constantly repeated by those wishing to protect themselves from the label being applied to them, it remains a lie both wrt authorship and the date.
 
coldjoint said:
That is not the subject. What warps the minds is. That is what Islam does, not one person, and you know what I mean.
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Islam has not warped the minds of any Muslims of my acquaintance.
 
Fledermaus said:
The vast majority not only reject ISIS in particular but terror in the name of Jihad in general.

How can ISIS = Islam when the vast majority of Islam's adherents reject ISIS?
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As do all my Muslim friends and acquaintances. Another Coldjoint fail.
 
zyzygy said:
Islam has not warped the minds of any Muslims of my acquaintance.
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Same here. I know some fine upstanding people who are Muslims, they don't live down to the cartoonish stereotype that has been promoted here.
 
coldjoint said:
That is not the subject. What warps the minds is. That is what Islam does, not one person, and you know what I mean.
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Yes, people try to warp minds in order to gain power. Your buddies do it every day spreading ISIS propaganda. And your assertation that individuals can't warp minds is bull****. Charles Manson did so. So did Jim Jones. And that's just two examples.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Pretty much the entire thing is a pack of lies, designed to increase ISIS recruitment so a bunch of wannabe SS losers can try to increase their power and warp America.
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That is not an answer, please be specific.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
It's rankly and completely dishonest, as I've already demonstrated.

Reality: scary, but well worth it.
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You have demonstrated nothing. You never dealt with abrogation, or the fact that the two opposite views presented in Islam can both be true. Tell me how that could be in this logical world.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Yes, people try to warp minds in order to gain power. Your buddies do it every day spreading ISIS propaganda. And your assertation that individuals can't warp minds is bull****. Charles Manson did so. So did Jim Jones. And that's just two examples.
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This is about what Islam says not about Charles Manson or Jim Jones. If you have trouble separating them, and the gravity of their influence, I don't know what to tell you.
 
zyzygy said:
As do all my Muslim friends and acquaintances. Another Coldjoint fail.
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This is about what Islam says and what ISIS is saying and doing. You are trying to make it about individual Muslims, that is not the subject.
 
beefheart said:
Same here. I know some fine upstanding people who are Muslims, they don't live down to the cartoonish stereotype that has been promoted here.
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That cartoonish stereotype is based on facts like any other stereotype. That you think terror and violence is cartoonish is another matter. Again, this is not about individual Muslims. It is about what is written in Islamic holy literature and what ISIS demonstrates daily.
 
Gina said:
I don't know what you mean. Can you clarify? That sentence is garbled.
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I am saying Islam is designed to produce certain results. It is calculated, clever, and prolific. Are there other things that warp minds, of course there are. Is that better? What I am saying is that Islam eclipses all the others in deadly results and human suffering.
 
Chagos said:
Alone this statement in the article cited in the OP shows the worth of the whole article.

Constantly repeated by those wishing to protect themselves from the label being applied to them, it remains a lie both wrt authorship and the date.
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Where did the term "islamophobia" come from then? They have and ex-Muslim who says that is how the word came about. What do you have?
 
coldjoint said:
This is about what Islam says and what ISIS is saying and doing. You are trying to make it about individual Muslims, that is not the subject.
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It is very much the subject. Most Muslims ignore parts of the Koran just as most Christians ignore parts of the Bible.
 
zyzygy said:
It is very much the subject. Most Muslims ignore parts of the Koran just as most Christians ignore parts of the Bible.
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We are talking about ISIS, what are they ignoring?
 
coldjoint said:
I am saying Islam is designed to produce certain results. It is calculated, clever, and prolific. Are there other things that warp minds, of course there are. Is that better? What I am saying is that Islam eclipses all the others in deadly results and human suffering.
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Yet most Muslims are peaceful. All religions have their dark side.
 
coldjoint said:
We are talking about ISIS, what are they ignoring?
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The parts that tell them to kill you and me. I have discussed this with Muslims, perhaps you should do the same.
 
All terrorist groups whether motivated by religion or not should be fought by every means at our disposal.
 
zyzygy said:
Yet most Muslims are peaceful. All religions have their dark side.
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What do the Koran and Hadith and Sira say? This is not about peaceful Muslims. It is about the inspiration that literature supplies and the people that act on it.
 
zyzygy said:
The parts that tell them to kill you and me. I have discussed this with Muslims, perhaps you should do the same.
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Your individual Muslims can have opinions, but they cannot change what the literature says and why it inspires.
 
coldjoint said:
What do the Koran and Hadith and Sira say? This is not about peaceful Muslims. It is about the inspiration that literature supplies and the people that act on it.
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And those people should be dealt with. I don't see what your problem is here. Terrorists are terrorists. Bombing abortion clinics is inspired by Christianity. What should be done about that? Ban the Bible?
 
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