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Conservative christian misogyny

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https://thinkprogress.org/men-avoid-one-on-one-meetings-with-women-d2fce035a2a0
Conservatives have rushed to the defense of Vice President Mike Pence after a Washington Post article about his wife, Karen Pence, resurfaced the detail that he does not eat alone with another woman. Pence will not attend events where there is alcohol present without her by his side, either.
Some people have defended Pence by saying that as an evangelical Christian, he is simply practicing his faith and safeguarding his marriage by “avoiding temptation.” Several conservative men said they don’t see any reason to dine alone with women either.
On Twitter, Matt Walsh, a conservative blogger, asked what an “appropriate reason” would be to eat a meal with “the other sex” outside of family. Erick Erickson, a conservative blogger and radio show host, responded that there are only two acceptable reasons: planning a surprise party or a funeral.
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In a way i hope this is a fake news thingy, because it is just far to bizarre to be real.

Unless someone can come up with a better reason for this, then it has to be some kind of weird misogynist thinking. It is either that a mans natural inclination is to screw any women who gives him the least bit of encouragement, ie, dining alone with them. Or they consider women so depraved that they will sleep with any man given half the chance.

There is nothing good in this, the christian men hold no moral high ground with this thinking. In fact it is harmful to women in that in can hold women back from advancing their careers.
 
:roll: Why do some liberals assume every opinion they disagree with is an ism or a phobia? Who taught you people to see ism's and phobias everywhere?
 
And why is every ****ing thing the patriarchy?

Yes, yes, everything you don't like about gender relation behavior is the patriarchy. :roll:

He believes in what? He doesn't do what? Patriarchy!
 
There was a woman wearing yoga pants at the store yesterday and she had an amazing ass. Seeing women as sex objects! Sexism! Patriarchy!
 
Actually, I can understand this way of thinking.

My wife is a conservative Catholic who immigrated from a conservative country. Out of respect for me - her husband - and her marital status, she will not let herself be seen alone in a car with only herself and an unrelated man, nor will she go alone into an environment where there's male drinking.

I initially thought this was over-the-top, but after some discussion I came to see that's her way of showing respect for her marital status. It's not about the possibility of an attack or romantic encounter, but about the appropriateness of her being in a position that could indicate or appear to be an improper relationship.

Early in our marriage I was initially blown away by this, but came to see it as an amazing tribute to her taking our marriage and our marital appearances seriously. So I've not only accepted this, but have come to greatly appreciate her devotion to our marriage! I don't drink, so I'm not in bars much these days, but I've come around to conducting myself in a manner that also shows some similar respect for her. My politics may be liberal enough, but in my personal life I'm actually pretty conservative. She's influenced me even a bit more in that direction, but she's the real deal! And I love her for it! How can I not?
 
Chomsky said:
Actually, I can understand this way of thinking.

My wife is a conservative Catholic who immigrated from a conservative country. Out of respect for me - her husband - and her marital status, she will not let herself be seen alone in a car with only herself and an unrelated man, nor will she go alone into an environment where there's male drinking.

I initially thought this was over-the-top, but after some discussion I came to see that's her way of showing respect for her marital status. It's not about the possibility of an attack or romantic encounter, but about the appropriateness of her being in a position that could indicate or appear to be an improper relationship.

Early in our marriage I was initially blown away by this, but came to see it as an amazing tribute to her taking our marriage and our marital appearances seriously. So I've not only accepted this, but have come to greatly appreciate her devotion to our marriage! I don't drink, so I'm not in bars much these days, but I've come around to conducting myself in a manner that also shows some similar respect for her. My politics may be liberal enough, but in my personal life I'm actually pretty conservative. She's influenced me even a bit more in that direction, but she's the real deal! And I love her for it! How can I not?
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All true and admirable. Consider a politician in such positions, and it's easy to see why avoiding such situations also has a practical side.
 
humbolt said:
All true and admirable. Consider a politician in such positions, and it's easy to see why avoiding such situations also has a practical side.
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Good point!
 
Not sure why you think this is a problem. As a youth coach I always avoided any one-on-one private interaction with any player. I always wanted others around. There is always a chance that someone would charge me with some illicit activity and I had to protect myself. And there have been numerous situations in which a woman has charged a man with some sort of harassment or sexual assault. If the two are in a private office there is no way to prove one's innocence. It is unfortunate that we live in a society that tends to assume that the woman, or child, is always innocent and telling the truth. It is reasonable to take steps to avoid a compromising situation.
 
The attacks on the Pences over this are just plain bizarre.
 
soylentgreen said:
https://thinkprogress.org/men-avoid-one-on-one-meetings-with-women-d2fce035a2a0


In a way i hope this is a fake news thingy, because it is just far to bizarre to be real.

Unless someone can come up with a better reason for this, then it has to be some kind of weird misogynist thinking. It is either that a mans natural inclination is to screw any women who gives him the least bit of encouragement, ie, dining alone with them. Or they consider women so depraved that they will sleep with any man given half the chance.

There is nothing good in this, the christian men hold no moral high ground with this thinking. In fact it is harmful to women in that in can hold women back from advancing their careers.
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This is regurgitated crap and I don't like it.
 
Henrin said:
:roll: Why do some liberals assume every opinion they disagree with is an ism or a phobia? Who taught you people to see ism's and phobias everywhere?
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Why do you assume that anything you disagree with must come from a liberal. And phobia is about people having irrational arguments for the position they hold. Which sums up your commentary very well.
 
Chomsky said:
Actually, I can understand this way of thinking.

My wife is a conservative Catholic who immigrated from a conservative country. Out of respect for me - her husband - and her marital status, she will not let herself be seen alone in a car with only herself and an unrelated man, nor will she go alone into an environment where there's male drinking.

I initially thought this was over-the-top, but after some discussion I came to see that's her way of showing respect for her marital status. It's not about the possibility of an attack or romantic encounter, but about the appropriateness of her being in a position that could indicate or appear to be an improper relationship.

Early in our marriage I was initially blown away by this, but came to see it as an amazing tribute to her taking our marriage and our marital appearances seriously. So I've not only accepted this, but have come to greatly appreciate her devotion to our marriage! I don't drink, so I'm not in bars much these days, but I've come around to conducting myself in a manner that also shows some similar respect for her. My politics may be liberal enough, but in my personal life I'm actually pretty conservative. She's influenced me even a bit more in that direction, but she's the real deal! And I love her for it! How can I not?
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That is why i find this so bizarre. Do you really think that if you talk to someone of the opposite sex then there must be some kind impropriety suggested. Two people cannot just be talking? To me it suggests there is distrust here.
 
humbolt said:
All true and admirable. Consider a politician in such positions, and it's easy to see why avoiding such situations also has a practical side.
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I see it as the opposite. Any politician or anyone who makes such a claim that they do not trust themselves to be alone with someone of the opposite sex might just have good reason for thinking that way.
 
Moon said:
The attacks on the Pences over this are just plain bizarre.
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He has to go to measures to avoid temptation.
he is simply practicing his faith and safeguarding his marriage by “avoiding temptation.
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A man who cannot trust himself to keep his penis in his pants if he alone with a woman. Are all christian conservatives so weak willed that this is considered normal?
 
soylentgreen said:
https://thinkprogress.org/men-avoid-one-on-one-meetings-with-women-d2fce035a2a0


In a way i hope this is a fake news thingy, because it is just far to bizarre to be real.

Unless someone can come up with a better reason for this, then it has to be some kind of weird misogynist thinking. It is either that a mans natural inclination is to screw any women who gives him the least bit of encouragement, ie, dining alone with them. Or they consider women so depraved that they will sleep with any man given half the chance.

There is nothing good in this, the christian men hold no moral high ground with this thinking. In fact it is harmful to women in that in can hold women back from advancing their careers.
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Why dont you mind your own business?

Dont be throwing stones at Pense just because he does not embrace the anything-goes lifestyle popular on the left
 
Chomsky said:
Actually, I can understand this way of thinking.

My wife is a conservative Catholic who immigrated from a conservative country. Out of respect for me - her husband - and her marital status, she will not let herself be seen alone in a car with only herself and an unrelated man, nor will she go alone into an environment where there's male drinking.

I initially thought this was over-the-top, but after some discussion I came to see that's her way of showing respect for her marital status. It's not about the possibility of an attack or romantic encounter, but about the appropriateness of her being in a position that could indicate or appear to be an improper relationship.

Early in our marriage I was initially blown away by this, but came to see it as an amazing tribute to her taking our marriage and our marital appearances seriously. So I've not only accepted this, but have come to greatly appreciate her devotion to our marriage! I don't drink, so I'm not in bars much these days, but I've come around to conducting myself in a manner that also shows some similar respect for her. My politics may be liberal enough, but in my personal life I'm actually pretty conservative. She's influenced me even a bit more in that direction, but she's the real deal! And I love her for it! How can I not?
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I'm about as atheist as it comes but I actually am fairly close to this. I don't put myself in situations like that because relationship wise I'm still very conservative and traditional. Married men in general should not be privately fraternizing with women, obviously there are certain exceptions.

soylentgreen said:
I see it as the opposite. Any politician or anyone who makes such a claim that they do not trust themselves to be alone with someone of the opposite sex might just have good reason for thinking that way.
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soylentgreen said:
He has to go to measures to avoid temptation. A man who cannot trust himself to keep his penis in his pants if he alone with a woman. Are all christian conservatives so weak willed that this is considered normal?
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I'm normally the first to criticize Pence on anything, but I don't see this as that bad. There's a lot of wisdom in not putting yourself in compromising/tempting situations, even if you have self control, and there is a non-negligible difference between a married man who regularly meets alone with women and one who doesn't. It's also very much a cultural thing.
 
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Mac77 said:
Why dont you mind your own business?

Dont be throwing stones at Pense just because he does not embrace the anything-goes lifestyle popular on the left
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i could not care less about pense he just happens to be a highlight of this, and rather a minor part in this thread as far as i am concerned. I am more curious as to how the christian conservatives here can justify this kind of thinking.

I can honestly say that i find this kind of thinking weird and am more curious to explore the reasoning behind it than any concern for pense.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
I'm about as atheist as it comes but I actually am fairly close to this. I don't put myself in situations like that because relationship wise I'm still very conservative and traditional. Married men in general should not be privately fraternizing with women, obviously there are certain exceptions.
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Fratenise-associate or form a friendship with someone, especially when one is not supposed to. So your basically saying that it is inapropriate to talk to women?
I'm normally the first to criticize Pence on anything, but I don't see this as that bad. .
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Sigh! i am getting the idea that this going to be a few pages again of trying to get people to focus on the point instead of leaping off into some tangent.

There's a lot of wisdom in not putting yourself in compromising/tempting situations, even if you have self control, and there is a non-negligible difference between a married man who regularly meets alone with women and one who doesn't. It's also very much a cultural thing
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Weird culture american christian conservatives have where men cannot be trusted around women.

I am getting an appreciation for the fact that i am not one of these things.
 
soylentgreen said:
i could not care less about pense he just happens to be a highlight of this, and rather a minor part in this thread as far as i am concerned.

I am more curious as to how the christian conservatives here can justify this kind of thinking.

I can honestly say that i find this kind of thinking weird and am more curious to explore the reasoning behind it than any concern for pense.
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Why not?

When hedonists were the outcasts of society they said they just wanted to left alone and not have Christian values imposed on them by the majorty

Now the anything-goes crowd has taken over pop culture and you want to impose your values on Christians
 
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