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It's okay to criticize Islam.

Khaled Al Razi

Khaled Al Razi

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I am an Arab ex-muslim atheist from Lebanon.
The religion of Islam is harmful and authoritarian.
Islam doesn't mean peace it simply means that you have to submit to Allah.
Islam has scientific errors wrt the big bang theory and Darwinism and basic biology and geology.
It is inherently misogynistic.

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Khaled Al Razi said:
I am an Arab ex-muslim atheist from Lebanon.
The religion of Islam is harmful and authoritarian.
Islam doesn't mean peace it simply means that you have to submit to Allah.
Islam has scientific errors wrt the big bang theory and Darwinism and basic biology and geology.
It is inherently misogynistic.

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That's racist!!!

I'm joking. I'm Christian and, of course, there are plenty of atheists that say the same things about Christianity. I have fairly often been told here that it's good and right to question and criticize Christianity/Christians, even seeing it argued that my faith quite probably makes me a worse person. One the other hand, when criticism of Islam comes up, two responses are nearly inevitable, one is, "but not al Muslims are..." (like, no duh) and second is to deflect usually with "But look what Christians do/have done." Islam is the one religion where criticism quite often results in an accusation of racism, hence my joke earlier. The most common explanation I see for the lack of parity is that Islam is a minority religion in the U.S so it requires more tolerance to which I'd point out that Islam has a pretty large number of non-Islam defenders, which is not true for Christianity.

What I don't understand is why all those things about why it's good and right to question/criticize the beliefs of Christians do not apply to Islam.
 
Khaled Al Razi said:
I am an Arab ex-muslim atheist from Lebanon.
The religion of Islam is harmful and authoritarian.
Islam doesn't mean peace it simply means that you have to submit to Allah.
Islam has scientific errors wrt the big bang theory and Darwinism and basic biology and geology.
It is inherently misogynistic.

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An atheist says it's OK to criticize religion?
I'm utterly shocked.
 
Khaled Al Razi said:
I am an Arab ex-muslim atheist from Lebanon.
The religion of Islam is harmful and authoritarian.
Islam doesn't mean peace it simply means that you have to submit to Allah.
Islam has scientific errors wrt the big bang theory and Darwinism and basic biology and geology.
It is inherently misogynistic.

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Christianity is also anti-big bang theory & Darwinism & biology & geology. The Bible requires wives to "submit" to their husbands, and the Catholic Church does not allow female Priests. The Jewish religion doesn't allow female rabbis, I think.

I think all religions are misogynistic to some degree, and anti-science.

In the older days, Christians killed anyone who wouldn't convert to Christianity. And we all know of all the wars in England over Catholicism vs. Protestantism, resulting in much blood of innocent people being shed. Christianity has been used as a basis to prove the inferiority of minorities, females, homosexuals, and others. Other religions, too.

The radical Islamists seem to be several hundred years behind the times, though. What they are doing now was what the religions were doing hundreds of years ago. Tolerance of others' views has grown in the meantime, but apparently not in Islamic countries, where time has stood still. That is probably related to lack of secular education, withholding human rights from women, the religion being mixed with their government, and not having to get along with other religions in their countries and governments.

I think Islam may be the worst as far as keeping women down and preventing them from living full, happy lives with human rights, educaion, able to earn a living, freedom, and such.
 
RickJames3000 said:
An atheist says it's OK to criticize religion?
I'm utterly shocked.
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An atheist saying that it's OK to criticize Islam specifically, while certainly not unheard of, is actually not as common as you might think.
 
Khaled Al Razi said:
I am an Arab ex-muslim atheist from Lebanon.
The religion of Islam is harmful and authoritarian.
Islam doesn't mean peace it simply means that you have to submit to Allah.
Islam has scientific errors wrt the big bang theory and Darwinism and basic biology and geology.
It is inherently misogynistic.



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So do a lot of other religions. Hell, so do a number of communist regimes which went after those who believed in anything. Nothing you stated is exclusive to Islam.
 
JumpinJack said:
Christianity is also anti-big bang theory & Darwinism & biology & geology. The Bible requires wives to "submit" to their husbands, and the Catholic Church does not allow female Priests. The Jewish religion doesn't allow female rabbis, I think.

I think all religions are misogynistic to some degree, and anti-science.

In the older days, Christians killed anyone who wouldn't convert to Christianity. And we all know of all the wars in England over Catholicism vs. Protestantism, resulting in much blood of innocent people being shed. Christianity has been used as a basis to prove the inferiority of minorities, females, homosexuals, and others. Other religions, too.

The radical Islamists seem to be several hundred years behind the times, though. What they are doing now was what the religions were doing hundreds of years ago. Tolerance of others' views has grown in the meantime, but apparently not in Islamic countries, where time has stood still. That is probably related to lack of secular education, withholding human rights from women, the religion being mixed with their government, and not having to get along with other religions in their countries and governments.

I think Islam may be the worst as far as keeping women down and preventing them from living full, happy lives with human rights, educaion, able to earn a living, freedom, and such.
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The orthodox recently got their first female Jewish rabbi (last year) Rabbi Lila Kagedan: Orthodox woman becomes first to take title - CNN.com and the first
conservative Jewish female Rabbi was ordained in 1985.

THe first ordained female Jewish rabbi was ordained in 1935 (in Germany of all places), and the second one was a Reform Jewish rabbi ordained in the USA in 1972.


The rabbi of my local Reform Synagogue is a woman.
 
Khaled Al Razi said:
I am an Arab ex-muslim atheist from Lebanon.
The religion of Islam is harmful and authoritarian.
Islam doesn't mean peace it simply means that you have to submit to Allah.
Islam has scientific errors wrt the big bang theory and Darwinism and basic biology and geology.
It is inherently misogynistic.

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Of course it's OK to criticize Islam. Doesn't make hatred of Muslims any less pathological.
 
RAMOSS said:
The orthodox recently got their first female Jewish rabbi (last year) Rabbi Lila Kagedan: Orthodox woman becomes first to take title - CNN.com and the first
conservative Jewish female Rabbi was ordained in 1985.

THe first ordained female Jewish rabbi was ordained in 1935 (in Germany of all places), and the second one was a Reform Jewish rabbi ordained in the USA in 1972.


The rabbi of my local Reform Synagogue is a woman.
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Really? So glad to hear that! It doesn't seem, from the Jewish men I've met, that there's a lot of looking down on women, in general, but I got the impression from the movies that Judaism didn't let women become Rabbis or become educated in the Torah. So glad to hear that my impression was wrong.
 
JumpinJack said:
Really? So glad to hear that! It doesn't seem, from the Jewish men I've met, that there's a lot of looking down on women, in general, but I got the impression from the movies that Judaism didn't let women become Rabbis or become educated in the Torah. So glad to hear that my impression was wrong.
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Not only that, one of your local reform temples in dallas has 3 out of their 5 Rabbis being women, and both their cantors being women!

https://www.tedallas.org/about-us/rabbis-cantors

I will say that there are a lot of chauvinists about. I noticed that Jewish men I have met from Israel tend to be a lot more chauvinistic than the ones I know that were born in the USA. The orthodox are not as flexible, and as you can see, it took an extra 45 years before they allowed women to be rabbi's. Men and woman are still separated in worship in orthodox and conservative congregations... and I think that will always be the case. However, there are indications even the orthodox are changing in the USA at least.
 
Phys251 said:
Of course it's OK to criticize Islam. Doesn't make hatred of Muslims any less pathological.
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The difficulty is this: Those of us who criticise Islam are told that we are 'racists' who hate Muslims. This happens all the time on DP from people who throw around words like 'pathological' with abandon.

Islam is a cruel, backward, primitive philosophy; supremely intolerant and absolutist. Your turn: Screech 'Islamophobe' at me and assume a posture of supposed moral superiority.
 
JumpinJack said:
Really? So glad to hear that! It doesn't seem, from the Jewish men I've met, that there's a lot of looking down on women, in general, but I got the impression from the movies that Judaism didn't let women become Rabbis or become educated in the Torah. So glad to hear that my impression was wrong.
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Watch fewer movies - listen to DP colleagues instead.
 
Sweden said:
The difficulty is this: Those of us who criticise Islam are told that we are 'racists' who hate Muslims. This happens all the time on DP from people who throw around words like 'pathological' with abandon.

Islam is a cruel, backward, primitive philosophy; supremely intolerant and absolutist. Your turn: Screech 'Islamophobe' at me and assume a posture of supposed moral superiority.
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Not racist, no, but really ignorant. Beaking off without a clue about Islam, beyond the laughably simplistic version touted by fundamentalists to fundamentalists. You know? Fundamentalists? Those other ignorant people who poison nearly every religion in the world?
 
Khaled Al Razi said:
I am an Arab ex-muslim atheist from Lebanon.
The religion of Islam is harmful and authoritarian.
Islam doesn't mean peace it simply means that you have to submit to Allah.
Islam has scientific errors wrt the big bang theory and Darwinism and basic biology and geology.
It is inherently misogynistic.

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Wow.

I like every Muslim I have met.

One, a high official of some kind who was very highly regarded said to me "We need more Canada in the world." An interesting thing for a "terrorist" to say don't you think?

I don't judge anyone based on ****ing dogma.
 
Sweden said:
The difficulty is this: Those of us who criticise Islam are told that we are 'racists' who hate Muslims. This happens all the time on DP from people who throw around words like 'pathological' with abandon.

Islam is a cruel, backward, primitive philosophy; supremely intolerant and absolutist. Your turn: Screech 'Islamophobe' at me and assume a posture of supposed moral superiority.
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Fascinating. You seem to want the free speech to make such hostile comments about Islam but not free speech to your opponents who would critique you for doing so. I wonder why that is?
 
Khaled Al Razi said:
I am an Arab ex-muslim atheist from Lebanon.
The religion of Islam is harmful and authoritarian.
Islam doesn't mean peace it simply means that you have to submit to Allah.
Islam has scientific errors wrt the big bang theory and Darwinism and basic biology and geology.
It is inherently misogynistic.

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If you are an atheist, why would you not say ALL religion? Islam is no better or worse than any other religion. No religion is "science" based. Not even Scientology.
 
Khaled Al Razi said:
I am an Arab ex-muslim atheist from Lebanon.
The religion of Islam is harmful and authoritarian.
Islam doesn't mean peace it simply means that you have to submit to Allah.
Islam has scientific errors wrt the big bang theory and Darwinism and basic biology and geology.
It is inherently misogynistic.

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This is why the West needs to keep religion and politics separate. History shows all religions go as Islam has when given political authority.
 
Phys251 said:
Fascinating. You seem to want the free speech to make such hostile comments about Islam but not free speech to your opponents who would critique you for doing so. I wonder why that is?
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It's because the 'critique' always consists of infantile insults. My assertions that Islam is cruel, backward etc. are never actually addressed. If you wish to argue that condemning to death those that leave Islam is an example of tolerance I would be interested in listening to you.
 
1750Texan said:
If you are an atheist, why would you not say ALL religion? Islam is no better or worse than any other religion. No religion is "science" based. Not even Scientology.
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In the here and now Islam is much worse than any other religion. It is presently the only one that is inherently dangerous.

Would you not have been amazed if yesterday's London terrorist had been murdering on behalf of, say, the Salvation Army?
 
Grand Mal said:
Not racist, no, but really ignorant. Beaking off without a clue about Islam, beyond the laughably simplistic version touted by fundamentalists to fundamentalists. You know? Fundamentalists? Those other ignorant people who poison nearly every religion in the world?
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Having lived in two Islamic countries and having read and thought about Islam over many decades my detestation for the Islamic mind set is, I claim, soundly based.
 
X Factor said:
That's racist!!!

I'm joking. I'm Christian and, of course, there are plenty of atheists that say the same things about Christianity. I have fairly often been told here that it's good and right to question and criticize Christianity/Christians, even seeing it argued that my faith quite probably makes me a worse person. One the other hand, when criticism of Islam comes up, two responses are nearly inevitable, one is, "but not al Muslims are..." (like, no duh) and second is to deflect usually with "But look what Christians do/have done." Islam is the one religion where criticism quite often results in an accusation of racism, hence my joke earlier. The most common explanation I see for the lack of parity is that Islam is a minority religion in the U.S so it requires more tolerance to which I'd point out that Islam has a pretty large number of non-Islam defenders, which is not true for Christianity.

What I don't understand is why all those things about why it's good and right to question/criticize the beliefs of Christians do not apply to Islam.
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I remember the Christian far right being bigoted during the Bush Era, but I have never seen them committing violence except for trying to censor the media and free speech, bullying non-Christians and the KKK.
But the reason why Christians are more peaceful is that Christianity has been reformed, and Islam has not been reformed we are now the 14th century of Islam, just like when Christianity was in the 14th century.
 
RickJames3000 said:
An atheist says it's OK to criticize religion?
I'm utterly shocked.
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The problem is that most of the far-left who are atheists from the Atheism+ movement like PZ Myers, still defend Islam.
 
Tigerace117 said:
So do a lot of other religions. Hell, so do a number of communist regimes which went after those who believed in anything. Nothing you stated is exclusive to Islam.
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I know most religions are harmful, but Islam is more authoritarian is because it is also political in the Qur'an : "Islam is a religion and a state". Christianity has been reformed. Islam is still younger.

JumpinJack said:
Christianity is also anti-big bang theory & Darwinism & biology & geology. The Bible requires wives to "submit" to their husbands, and the Catholic Church does not allow female Priests. The Jewish religion doesn't allow female rabbis, I think.

I think all religions are misogynistic to some degree, and anti-science.

In the older days, Christians killed anyone who wouldn't convert to Christianity. And we all know of all the wars in England over Catholicism vs. Protestantism, resulting in much blood of innocent people being shed. Christianity has been used as a basis to prove the inferiority of minorities, females, homosexuals, and others. Other religions, too.

The radical Islamists seem to be several hundred years behind the times, though. What they are doing now was what the religions were doing hundreds of years ago. Tolerance of others' views has grown in the meantime, but apparently not in Islamic countries, where time has stood still. That is probably related to lack of secular education, withholding human rights from women, the religion being mixed with their government, and not having to get along with other religions in their countries and governments.

I think Islam may be the worst as far as keeping women down and preventing them from living full, happy lives with human rights, educaion, able to earn a living, freedom, and such.
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But when was the last time have u seen a Christian committing terrorism?
And in Islamic countries, If you are a teacher and want to teach children about Evolution they will slit your throat.
 
Khaled Al Razi said:
I know most religions are harmful, but Islam is more authoritarian is because it is also political in the Qur'an : "Islam is a religion and a state". Christianity has been reformed. Islam is still younger.


But when was the last time have u seen a Christian committing terrorism?
And in Islamic countries, If you are a teacher and want to teach children about Evolution they will slit your throat.
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Most people in general are harmful. That's human nature.

Christianity has largely been reformed because it has largely been removed from the political sphere. There are still plenty of evil people who call themselves Christians out there though.

Dylann Roof would be a prime example.
 
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