Athiesm and its relation to political alignment

CrabCake · Mar 24, 2017

brothern said:
Others I believe have linked you to the surveys that show nonbelief and left-wing politics correlated

No, they haven't. One person linked to an article that dealt with political affiliation (Democrat or Republican). I already stated why that data isn't relevant. No one has provided any data showing there is a correlation between nonbelief and left-wing politics.

brothern said:
but if you'd like to link it to faces, fake a look at this picture

That picture includes a number of people on the right in the political spectrum, including the patron saint of libertarianism: Ayn Rand.

D_NATURED · Mar 24, 2017

blackjack50 said:
Say what you want, but anger is NOT fear. And anger is something easily found on the left.

This is the most asinine statement I think I have ever read on this board. The fact that you actually believe the right is any different than the left is HYSTERICAL.

I have no idea how anyone could exist in America and actually believe the right is the "party of anger." When was the last right wing riot that we had? I honestly cannot think of one off the top of my head. The liberal media would have been all over it for sure. So I just don't know if I can think of one.

But at any rate...the left is filled with just as much hate and vitriol as you seem to think the right is filled with. Trying to ascribe the "part of anger" makes no sense. Especially when the left is slinging Molotovs.

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First of all, genius, it was YOU who said the right was angry, I just explained it as a reaction to fear. Secondly, of course there aren't right wing riots, they represent the religious and political establishments. They are the fascists, institutional racists, theocrats and demagogues that the left is struggling to oppose in the name of progress.

The irony of and ignorance of your position is that the riots are a predictable result of attempting to mute the political voice of the left. When our votes don't count, our numbers in the street will. That paradigm has been played out many times in American history and it often leads to positive change.

blackjack50 · Mar 24, 2017

Quag said:
I agree people do not believe out of fear. However in some places some people will pretend to believe out of fear, with good reason.
As to the commandments judging by the actions of some who claim to follow them it cant be that hard to misinterpret them.

That is an entirely different set of issues. And that goes a long way with true tolerance. That is a big deal within PC-USA which will encourage discussion with non believers/Muslims/other denominations.

And you tell me. Loving others as the 2nd greatest commandment. Is that hard to understand? The problem is that a lot of people get wrapped up in their sins. Their pride. Their greed. Is it hard to blame someone? Don't we all fall victim to that? I do think people get lost on that message. They don't understand the point. They care too much about what others do.

But I can only speak for myself I suppose.

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blackjack50 · Mar 24, 2017

D_NATURED said:
First of all, genius, it was YOU who said the right was angry, I just explained it as a reaction to fear. Secondly, of course there aren't right wing riots, they represent the religious and political establishments. They are the fascists, institutional racists, theocrats and demagogues that the left is struggling to oppose in the name of progress

Lmao! 8 years of democrat presidency and the right is the establishment!!! Pahahaha! You keep fighting the good fight you rebel you! Lmao!

Ps

Yes. I did. I'm aware. And I was stating that the anger is there. But if you want to call it a fearful reaction...just look st the hate and vitriol from the left. The right doesn't own anger and fear and hate. In fact...I would say the left does. Since they benefit from using it.

The irony of and ignorance of your position is that the riots are a predictable result of attempting to mute the political voice of the left. When our votes don't count, our numbers in the street will. That paradigm has been played out many times in American history and it often leads to positive change.

So what you mean is that the interests of those who live outside of a few small geographic areas...their views don't count. Their interests don't count. That the people who live in New York City or LA know what is best for someone in Wyoming. Lol. Besides. What muted voice? The electoral college was there before the election started my man. Someone named obama was able to get through. I guess maybe because he was a corrupt perennial loser like Hilary rotten Clinton.

Anyway.

This is all pretty clear. You don't REALLY know why people vote for the right. You just hate them because they do. You have no real desire to actually see the other side, and that is pretty clear from your statements. It seems like you hate us right wingers for not thinking lock step with you.

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Quag · Mar 24, 2017

blackjack50 said:
That is an entirely different set of issues. And that goes a long way with true tolerance. That is a big deal within PC-USA which will encourage discussion with non believers/Muslims/other denominations.

And you tell me. Loving others as the 2nd greatest commandment. Is that hard to understand? The problem is that a lot of people get wrapped up in their sins. Their pride. Their greed. Is it hard to blame someone? Don't we all fall victim to that? I do think people get lost on that message. They don't understand the point. They care too much about what others do.

But I can only speak for myself I suppose.

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Yup people definitely get wrapped in their own things. For good or ill we are all human.

D_NATURED · Mar 24, 2017

blackjack50 said:
Lmao! 8 years of democrat presidency and the right is the establishment!!! Pahahaha! You keep fighting the good fight you rebel you! Lmao!

Ps

Yes. I did. I'm aware. And I was stating that the anger is there. But if you want to call it a fearful reaction...just look st the hate and vitriol from the left. The right doesn't own anger and fear and hate. In fact...I would say the left does. Since they benefit from using it.

So what you mean is that the interests of those who live outside of a few small geographic areas...their views don't count. Their interests don't count. That the people who live in New York City or LA know what is best for someone in Wyoming. Lol. Besides. What muted voice? The electoral college was there before the election started my man. Someone named obama was able to get through. I guess maybe because he was a corrupt perennial loser like Hilary rotten Clinton.

Anyway.

This is all pretty clear. You don't REALLY know why people vote for the right. You just hate them because they do. You have no real desire to actually see the other side, and that is pretty clear from your statements. It seems like you hate us right wingers for not thinking lock step with you.

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Jusus, dude, why type so many words when you could have just said "Duhhhh, me not like progress"? The rest would be implied.

Ii would love to continue this discussion with someone honest and intelligent. Forgive me for mistaking you for such an individual.

Cephus · Mar 24, 2017

D_NATURED said:
Jusus, dude, why type so many words when you could have just said "Duhhhh, me not like progress"? The rest would be implied.

Ii would love to continue this discussion with someone honest and intelligent. Forgive me for mistaking you for such an individual.

For one thing, what the left thinks of as progress is usually not progress. That's why you people get called "regressives".

ataraxia · Mar 24, 2017

JayDubya said:
There is nothing inherent to not believing in a god that makes the stupidity and immorality of socialism palatable.

Huh? So public schools, police departments, fire departments, etc... are stupid and immoral?

ataraxia · Mar 24, 2017

blackjack50 said:
So what you mean is that the interests of those who live outside of a few small geographic areas...their views don't count. Their interests don't count. That the people who live in New York City or LA know what is best for someone in Wyoming. Lol.

Well, I hate to say this, but when you see this kind of stuff...

Trump Supporters Now Realize Repealing ACA Will Take Away Their Healthcare – The Business Standard News
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...bout-losing-obamacare/?utm_term=.9fd30932ff57
Obamacare Repeal Will Wipe Out The Same Voters Who Supported Donald Trump

.... it's hard not to think that. They voted for Trump because they were told that with an unemployment rate below 5% and the DOW at record levels, we had some kind of "Obama economic disaster". Trump told them that an unemployment of 4.8% was "fake" when it happened with Obama, but when the following month it was 4.7% it was "very real". And now these poor saps drank the Koolaid and pointed the gun right at their own heads and pulled the trigger.

https://www.americanprogress.org/is...ill-harm-supporters-rural-small-town-america/

So excuse us if we cover our faces a little. We are watching these poor saps point that gun to their heads because Fox and the Koch brothers told them to, and are getting ready to pull the trigger. We just don't want all that blood and brains and shards of bone spraying all over us as they pull the trigger. We warned them. But they didn't believe us and wanted their freedom to pull that trigger. And yes, it's a free country, so they can do what they want. It's just a little hard to watch.

blackjack50 · Mar 24, 2017

D_NATURED said:
Jusus, dude, why type so many words when you could have just said "Duhhhh, me not like progress"? The rest would be implied.

Ii would love to continue this discussion with someone honest and intelligent. Forgive me for mistaking you for such an individual.

Dude. The fact is you have looked down your nose on me for multiple reasons...and don't worry...it is the liberal M.O. to feign intellectual and moral superiority without ever actually delving into the issue or why people feel a certain way. There is a reason the stereotype is the pretentious liberal douche.

Anyway. I digress. You look down on people of faith (me).

You look down on conservatives. Me.

Doesn't matter that I'm pro gay, pro science, against war, and all that jazz. You have 1 strawman that represents all of the "Christian right." And you know damn well how to argue against that strawman. That is why you haven't diverted from it yet. Nothing new here.

Hell. I like debating Cephus because he is a conservative atheist. A nice change of pace.

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Cephus · Mar 25, 2017

blackjack50 said:
Hell. I like debating Cephus because he is a conservative atheist. A nice change of pace.

Liberals are assholes, what can I say?

blackjack50 · Mar 25, 2017

Cephus said:
Liberals are assholes, what can I say?

Hey hey hey. Let's be fair now: people are assholes.

Just figured I would make a paradox lols.

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D_NATURED · Mar 28, 2017

blackjack50 said:
Dude. The fact is you have looked down your nose on me for multiple reasons...and don't worry...it is the liberal M.O. to feign intellectual and moral superiority without ever actually delving into the issue or why people feel a certain way. There is a reason the stereotype is the pretentious liberal douche.

Anyway. I digress. You look down on people of faith (me).

You look down on conservatives. Me.

Doesn't matter that I'm pro gay, pro science, against war, and all that jazz. You have 1 strawman that represents all of the "Christian right." And you know damn well how to argue against that strawman. That is why you haven't diverted from it yet. Nothing new here.

Hell. I like debating Cephus because he is a conservative atheist. A nice change of pace.

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I already regret re-engaging you but I have to say you're wrong. I don't naturally "look down" upon conservatives. When someone takes a lowly position, though, that's what happens.

Am I supposed to applaud you for being "pro-science" when you find a way of juxtaposing it against a backdrop of magic? Is your "pro-gay" stance supposed to absolve you of anything? So you're not a homophobe, big deal. Not every conservative needs to be a bigot for the bigotry in the conservative platform to claim victims among homosexuals. No, I'm afraid that you have failed to redefine conervativism by not being a monster. There are enough others who are.

I find it highly ironic when the faithful simultaneously stand for the right to believe absolutely anything, with no standard for its resemblance to reality and then get butthurt when people call them intellectually lazy.

Overall, I find the religious to be proud of their faith without ever wondering if it's something deserving of pride. What great effort is involved in choosing to pretend an alternate reality exists? What's so moral about simply declaring yourself to be moral, based upon a tradition that has, objectively, cost millions of innocent lives, some killed directly by the church and others wasted in its service?

There is a karmic balance of generational shame that has been denied society by the faithful. Until they get real about the past and the future, their present is going to be full of rolling eyes and even the occassional insult. What do they expect?