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Do Christians and Muslims Want World Dominion?

Vox

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Now, I'm not one of those who claims the Koran commands Muslims to take over the world.

Having said that, however.........it does seem that at least some Muslims talk about it a lot. Maybe they don't understand their own book.

Christians don't talk about it a lot, but there are churches in my area that have "World Dominion," "World Revival," and/or, world this and world that, in their name, and, of course, Christians are commanded in their Holy Book to "Go ye therefore and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost."

Sounds like world dominion to me.

The missionaries come first and then the soldiers and then the politicians and then the robber barons take whatever is left.

Much of the conflict with Muslims was due to this agenda........and how the memories linger.

Muslims did their own version of conquest, though.........even though their Book appears to only validate war in self-defense........wherever they rubbed shoulders with another culture, it seems, there was soon a reason for self-defense.

(Similar, probably, to the "False Flag" incidents that usually precede U.S. wars.)

Anyhow......if you ask most Christians or Muslims if they have a need or a plan for world dominion........rarely would you find a single one that would admit to it.

Yet.......real life seems to tell a different story, does it not?

Realistically, is there a solution to this problem?
 
Vox said:
Yet.......real life seems to tell a different story, does it not?
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No.

Real life tells the story of empires spreading their influence throughout the world via conquest and colonization and assimilating the less powerful cultures. Religion was one aspect of the culture that was spread to the colonies, but it was not the only aspect; there was also language, dress, customs, etc.

Vox said:
Realistically, is there a solution to this problem?
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Separation of Church and State and the creation of religiously pluralistic societies. But then this doesn't end the problem does it? It just changes the way we talk about war and conquest. No longer do we talk about it as the rescuing of heathens but as: liberating the oppressed, spreading capitalism, spreading communism, bringing freedom, etc.

We still disguise our wars so we can say we are actually helping the people we are attacking. We just don't use religious language anymore.

So, how do we end the problem once and for all? We turn our backs on empire. We reject systems of domination even if it happens to be our country that runs it.
 
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Vox said:
Now, I'm not one of those who claims the Koran commands Muslims to take over the world.

Having said that, however.........it does seem that at least some Muslims talk about it a lot. Maybe they don't understand their own book.

Christians don't talk about it a lot, but there are churches in my area that have "World Dominion," "World Revival," and/or, world this and world that, in their name, and, of course, Christians are commanded in their Holy Book to "Go ye therefore and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost."

Sounds like world dominion to me.

The missionaries come first and then the soldiers and then the politicians and then the robber barons take whatever is left.

Much of the conflict with Muslims was due to this agenda........and how the memories linger.

Muslims did their own version of conquest, though.........even though their Book appears to only validate war in self-defense........wherever they rubbed shoulders with another culture, it seems, there was soon a reason for self-defense.

(Similar, probably, to the "False Flag" incidents that usually precede U.S. wars.)

Anyhow......if you ask most Christians or Muslims if they have a need or a plan for world dominion........rarely would you find a single one that would admit to it.

Yet.......real life seems to tell a different story, does it not?

Realistically, is there a solution to this problem?
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I don't know any Christians that do.
 
Vox said:
Now, I'm not one of those who claims the Koran commands Muslims to take over the world.

Having said that, however.........it does seem that at least some Muslims talk about it a lot. Maybe they don't understand their own book.

Christians don't talk about it a lot, but there are churches in my area that have "World Dominion," "World Revival," and/or, world this and world that, in their name, and, of course, Christians are commanded in their Holy Book to "Go ye therefore and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost."

Sounds like world dominion to me.

The missionaries come first and then the soldiers and then the politicians and then the robber barons take whatever is left.

Much of the conflict with Muslims was due to this agenda........and how the memories linger.

Muslims did their own version of conquest, though.........even though their Book appears to only validate war in self-defense........wherever they rubbed shoulders with another culture, it seems, there was soon a reason for self-defense.

(Similar, probably, to the "False Flag" incidents that usually precede U.S. wars.)

Anyhow......if you ask most Christians or Muslims if they have a need or a plan for world dominion........rarely would you find a single one that would admit to it.

Yet.......real life seems to tell a different story, does it not?

Realistically, is there a solution to this problem?
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Onward Christian Soldiers.....

Most of North, Central and South America were subjected to the Sword and the Cross. The "pacification" of the Native Americans are another example..

While the Vatican and Protestant Authorities no longer send forth conquering forces they do send out those to 'encourage' people to join their cause world wide. Just as no central Muslim authority exists to send out conquering Muslim armies I am sure they hope to grow their base as well.

It is human nature (IMO) to want more of "US" vs. more of "THEM".

We have gone from Pikes and Projectiles to Proselytizing.
 
I want world domination. All will bow to my will!

Mwahahahaha!
 
It does seem that religion intensifies the efforts, establishes a far stronger coalition and sense of purpose and can even give warriors the illusion of immortality and rewards in heaven (especially the Muslims and in a different sense, Shinto Kamikaze pilots, although their immortality was more like a sense of family honor).

It also appears that there is NO WAY to get rid of religion. If you could wave a magic wand and make it vanish........mankind would invent it again the next day.
 
I think most believers in both religions wish the whole world shared their faith. I don't think most believers of either religion wish it to be done by force.
 
Fledermaus said:
Onward Christian Soldiers.....

Most of North, Central and South America were subjected to the Sword and the Cross. The "pacification" of the Native Americans are another example..

While the Vatican and Protestant Authorities no longer send forth conquering forces they do send out those to 'encourage' people to join their cause world wide. Just as no central Muslim authority exists to send out conquering Muslim armies I am sure they hope to grow their base as well.

It is human nature (IMO) to want more of "US" vs. more of "THEM".

We have gone from Pikes and Projectiles to Proselytizing.
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"marching AS to war". Do you understand that?
 
Vox said:
Now, I'm not one of those who claims the Koran commands Muslims to take over the world.

Having said that, however.........it does seem that at least some Muslims talk about it a lot. Maybe they don't understand their own book.

Christians don't talk about it a lot, but there are churches in my area that have "World Dominion," "World Revival," and/or, world this and world that, in their name, and, of course, Christians are commanded in their Holy Book to "Go ye therefore and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost."

Sounds like world dominion to me.

The missionaries come first and then the soldiers and then the politicians and then the robber barons take whatever is left.

Much of the conflict with Muslims was due to this agenda........and how the memories linger.

Muslims did their own version of conquest, though.........even though their Book appears to only validate war in self-defense........wherever they rubbed shoulders with another culture, it seems, there was soon a reason for self-defense.

(Similar, probably, to the "False Flag" incidents that usually precede U.S. wars.)

Anyhow......if you ask most Christians or Muslims if they have a need or a plan for world dominion........rarely would you find a single one that would admit to it.

Yet.......real life seems to tell a different story, does it not?

Realistically, is there a solution to this problem?
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That is true!!!!!!
 
coldjoint said:
"marching AS to war". Do you understand that?
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Marching as to war.....

Onward, Christian soldiers!
Marching as to war,
With the cross of Jesus
Going on before.
Christ, the royal Master,
Leads against the foe;
Forward into battle,
See his banners go!

Entire Continents have been invaded and conquered in the name of Jesus.
 
zyzygy said:
So the Crusaders were only pretending?
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what? Why do people think of the crusades as some kind of christian holocaust, that was completely uncalled for? You do know the Muslims had been raiding and conquering parts or Europe for like a couple hundred years before the crusades? That was the major reason for the crusades.... in order to get people motivated to fight back they turned it into a religious war(on both sides, the Islamic caliphate had also been conquering in name of their religion)

describing the crusades as some kind of European only sin... is just ignorant. It was just war of territory and influence more than anything else.
 
celticwar17 said:
what? Why do people think of the crusades as some kind of christian holocaust, that was completely uncalled for? You do know the Muslims had been raiding and conquering parts or Europe for like a couple hundred years before the crusades? That was the major reason for the crusades.... in order to get people motivated to fight back they turned it into a religious war(on both sides, the Islamic caliphate had also been conquering in name of their religion)

describing the crusades as some kind of European only sin... is just ignorant. It was just war of territory and influence more than anything else.
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Faults on both sides.
 
celticwar17 said:
what? Why do people think of the crusades as some kind of christian holocaust, that was completely uncalled for? You do know the Muslims had been raiding and conquering parts or Europe for like a couple hundred years before the crusades? That was the major reason for the crusades.... in order to get people motivated to fight back they turned it into a religious war(on both sides, the Islamic caliphate had also been conquering in name of their religion)

describing the crusades as some kind of European only sin... is just ignorant. It was just war of territory and influence more than anything else.
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What do you call traveling thousands of miles while sacking Constantinople, slaughtering Jews in Europe along the way, slaughtering Jews and Muslims in Jerusalem, etc.

Defending Europe by avoiding the areas the Muslims were attacking/raiding and instead going to the Levant?

A witness in Jerusalem - "there [in front of Solomon's temple] was such a carnage that our people were wading ankle-deep in the blood of our foes", and after that "happily and crying for joy our people marched to our Saviour's tomb, to honour it and to pay off our debt of gratitude"
 
IMO this is an outlier for both religions.

Some Christians do seem to want everyone on the planet to be Christian. That's why they proselytize.

Some Muslims have the same goal. In addition, a small percentage nurse the dream of a new Caliphate, which would span from Morocco to India. This has been a persistent goal of (Arab) Muslims at various points in their history, and is now mostly relegated to extremist pseudo-nostalgic groups like Dahesh.
 
zyzygy said:
So the Crusaders were only pretending?
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It means that spiritual warfare is comparable to martial warfare.......in other words, a Christian's daily life is like being at war due to the snares, challenges and temptations he or she faces.
 
zyzygy said:
So the Crusaders were only pretending?
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The crusaders were not following the teachings of Jesus so they were not Christians. Jesus never picked up a sword to make a point or spread his word.
 
Vox said:
It means that spiritual warfare is comparable to martial warfare.......in other words, a Christian's daily life is like being at war due to the snares, challenges and temptations he or she faces.
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What a terrible life. Being an atheist is much more enjoyable.
 
zyzygy said:
What a terrible life. Being an atheist is much more enjoyable.
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It takes all kinds. Some see a terrible life as wonderful. Who is to judge?
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
The crusaders were not following the teachings of Jesus so they were not Christians. Jesus never picked up a sword to make a point or spread his word.
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Jesus DID tell his followers to sell their coats and buy a sword.

Remember?
 
Vox said:
Now, I'm not one of those who claims the Koran commands Muslims to take over the world.

Having said that, however.........it does seem that at least some Muslims talk about it a lot. Maybe they don't understand their own book.

Christians don't talk about it a lot, but there are churches in my area that have "World Dominion," "World Revival," and/or, world this and world that, in their name, and, of course, Christians are commanded in their Holy Book to "Go ye therefore and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost."

Sounds like world dominion to me.

The missionaries come first and then the soldiers and then the politicians and then the robber barons take whatever is left.

Much of the conflict with Muslims was due to this agenda........and how the memories linger.

Muslims did their own version of conquest, though.........even though their Book appears to only validate war in self-defense........wherever they rubbed shoulders with another culture, it seems, there was soon a reason for self-defense.

(Similar, probably, to the "False Flag" incidents that usually precede U.S. wars.)

Anyhow......if you ask most Christians or Muslims if they have a need or a plan for world dominion........rarely would you find a single one that would admit to it.

Yet.......real life seems to tell a different story, does it not?

Realistically, is there a solution to this problem?
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I certainly do not think the majority of western christians are at all interested in bringing the good news and holy salvation to the poor heathens abroad anymore.
 
celticwar17 said:
what? Why do people think of the crusades as some kind of christian holocaust, that was completely uncalled for? You do know the Muslims had been raiding and conquering parts or Europe for like a couple hundred years before the crusades? That was the major reason for the crusades.... in order to get people motivated to fight back they turned it into a religious war(on both sides, the Islamic caliphate had also been conquering in name of their religion)

describing the crusades as some kind of European only sin... is just ignorant. It was just war of territory and influence more than anything else.
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While it is true the Muslims did spread their religion by the use of a sword Jesus did not advocate retaliation to such barbarism. Jesus did not take the Roman empire with a sword but by the spreading of his word.

Remember the Christians put a lot of people to death who did not adopt Christianity as well. Of course they were not following the teachings of Jesus but doing the opposite. I therefore do not acknowledge them as Christians but barbaric impostors.

I personally could not stand by and let my loved ones or myself be killed by idiots in the name of religion or government.
 
Vox said:
It takes all kinds. Some see a terrible life as wonderful. Who is to judge?
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True. All I know is that I am happy being free from religion.
 
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