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Using Islam to vet Refugees

Hate site.

Fledermaus hits the auto-dismiss button and ends the argument. Next subject please.

Unless you can tell us just what exactly they get wrong, your "argument" is nothing more than an admission that you don't want to discuss what Islam teaches. You contribute nothing.
 
This man does not lie. He has every reason to tell the unpleasant truth and why it is a real concern.
Are you saying we should judge every single person who identifies with a general religious grouping solely on the basis of our literal interpretation of selected parts of that religion's scripture?
 
Are you saying we should judge every single person who identifies with a general religious grouping solely on the basis of our literal interpretation of selected parts of that religion's scripture?

He is saying that.
 
Fledermaus hits the auto-dismiss button and ends the argument. Next subject please.

Unless you can tell us just what exactly they get wrong, your "argument" is nothing more than an admission that you don't want to discuss what Islam teaches. You contribute nothing.

Fledermaus actually looked at the site and realized the site lies.

They take non-terror incidents and call them terror incidents.

They take incidents that do not indicate Muslims were involved and accuse Muslims.

A site that lies to demonize a religious group is a hate site.
 
The truth about Islam is that the vast majority of Muslims reject terror in the name of Jihad.

"61% of Egyptians approve of attacks on Americans 32% of Indonesians approve of attacks on Americans 41% of Pakistanis approve of attacks on Americans 38% of Moroccans approve of attacks on Americans 83% of Palestinians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (only 14% oppose) 62% of Jordanians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (21% oppose) 42% of Turks approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (45% oppose) A minority of Muslims disagreed entirely with terror attacks on Americans: (Egypt 34%; Indonesia 45%; Pakistan 33%) About half of those opposed to attacking Americans were sympathetic with al-Qaeda’s attitude toward the U.S." (worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdf)
 
"61% of Egyptians approve of attacks on Americans 32% of Indonesians approve of attacks on Americans 41% of Pakistanis approve of attacks on Americans 38% of Moroccans approve of attacks on Americans 83% of Palestinians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (only 14% oppose) 62% of Jordanians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (21% oppose) 42% of Turks approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (45% oppose) A minority of Muslims disagreed entirely with terror attacks on Americans: (Egypt 34%; Indonesia 45%; Pakistan 33%) About half of those opposed to attacking Americans were sympathetic with al-Qaeda’s attitude toward the U.S." (worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdf)

Seems like the Pew Report disagrees.....

Have you a link that works?
 
Seems like the Pew Report disagrees.....

Have you a link that works?
Here, it says that 1.5 million Muslims from Britain support ISIS: Muslim leader: 'ISIS-supporting Brits may be disenfranchised by Tory cuts' - Mirror Online
25% of American-Muslims believe that those who insult Islam, the Quran, or Muhammad is acceptable: http://centerforsecuritypolicy.org/...nline-Survey-of-Muslims-Topline-Poll-Data.pdf
In 2012, nearly half of the 600 million Muslims voting in the election believed that those who parodied Muhammad should be punishable by law, 1/8 believed it should be punished by death: Answering Muslims: Poll: Nearly Half of U.S. Muslims Believe That Critics of Muhammad Should Be Criminally Prosecuted
 
Here, it says that 1.5 million Muslims from Britain support ISIS: Muslim leader: 'ISIS-supporting Brits may be disenfranchised by Tory cuts' - Mirror Online
25% of American-Muslims believe that those who insult Islam, the Quran, or Muhammad is acceptable: http://centerforsecuritypolicy.org/...nline-Survey-of-Muslims-Topline-Poll-Data.pdf
In 2012, nearly half of the 600 million Muslims voting in the election believed that those who parodied Muhammad should be punishable by law, 1/8 believed it should be punished by death: Answering Muslims: Poll: Nearly Half of U.S. Muslims Believe That Critics of Muhammad Should Be Criminally Prosecuted

Hey, look, links that were not asked for.
 
Link is dead... So, not a reliable source. Did you get it from the 'religion of peace' website?


Didn't get it from the Religion of Peace website. I'm trying to say that a majority of Muslims do support terrorism, so I posted links to other polls and sources. Stop focusing on the one mistake I made and look at the other ones.
 
Didn't get it from the Religion of Peace website. I'm trying to say that a majority of Muslims do support terrorism, so I posted links to other polls and sources. Stop focusing on the one mistake I made and look at the other ones.

Except I have polls that show conclusively that Muslims reject terrorism in the name of Jihad.
 
Except I have polls that show conclusively that Muslims reject terrorism in the name of Jihad.
Then post them instead of telling me you have them? If we have conflicting evidence then sosmething is wrong
 
"The Mirror commissioned polling company ICM for a story about the chances of terror attacks.
The resulting survey, which can be viewed here, was a poll of British individuals based on age, location and social class. At no point did it factor in religious beliefs.
It asked slightly more than 2,000 people for their views and found that 57 people said they had a “very favourable” view of the terror group.
The Mirror took this number, which it said was a 2% rise on a year ago, as possible evidence that “around half of Britain’s three million Muslims could be IS sympathisers”. The Express made this dubious claim its headline." https://www.buzzfeed.com/husseinkes...sh-muslim-isis?utm_term=.jd8LBPDDP#.vgEOkvAAv
 
"The Mirror commissioned polling company ICM for a story about the chances of terror attacks.
The resulting survey, which can be viewed here, was a poll of British individuals based on age, location and social class. At no point did it factor in religious beliefs.
It asked slightly more than 2,000 people for their views and found that 57 people said they had a “very favourable” view of the terror group.
The Mirror took this number, which it said was a 2% rise on a year ago, as possible evidence that “around half of Britain’s three million Muslims could be IS sympathisers”. The Express made this dubious claim its headline." https://www.buzzfeed.com/husseinkes...sh-muslim-isis?utm_term=.jd8LBPDDP#.vgEOkvAAv
Damn, I didn't know that. How are the other two links holding up? I have a bunch more if needed, I just don't want to flood the thread
 
Damn, I didn't know that. How are the other two links holding up? I have a bunch more if needed, I just don't want to flood the thread

Also flawed.

25% of American-Muslims believe that those who insult Islam, the Quran, or Muhammad is acceptable: http://centerforsecuritypolicy.org/...nline-Survey-of-Muslims-Topline-Poll-Data.pdf
"CSP’s survey was a non-probability based, opt-in online survey, administered by the conservative group, the Polling Company/Woman Trend, a small Washington-based agency that has collaborated with CSP on other occasions to produce surveys about Islam and Muslims. (We learned this after reaching out to the Polling Company to get more details about their methodology, which wasn’t released to the public when Gaffney began promoting the survey’s findings.)
According to the body that sets ethical standards for polling, the American Association for Public Opinion Research (AAPOR), opt-in surveys cannot be considered representative of the intended population, in this case Muslims. The AAPOR says that in these cases, “the pollster has no idea who is responding to the question” and that these kind of “polls do not have such a ‘grounded statistical tie’ to the population.”
Another problem with this poll is the way that questions and answers are phrased. Often, they are not neutral but are imbued with assumptions, and replicate, in an interrogative form, statements that Gaffney and CSP have declared as fact for years. In one question, respondents are asked: “Do you believe the Muslim Brotherhood in America accurately represents your views?” Packed into this question is the assertion that the Brotherhood indeed exists in the United States — something that Gaffney has long propagated. Those who answer “yes” confirm his suspicions, while those who answer “no” acknowledge nonetheless that the group is present here. They’re put into a lose-lose situation.
In several questions that are asked about shariah, the content of what shariah actually is remains unexamined. Even when Gaffney’s survey appears to be more nuanced by asking Muslims how they would “characterize shariah,” it only offers options about how broadly sharia—whatever it is—should be applied. Answers ranging from “guide to the personal practice of Islam” to Gaffney’s preferred option (“the Muslim God Allah’s law that Muslims must follow and impose worldwide via jihad”) still don’t allow Muslims to express about what they believe about shariah.
Respondents’ likely answered questions on shariah based on their understanding of the concept, but those views were not measured in the survey, nor communicated to the Fox News audience. Instead viewers are left to believe that Muslim Americans support shariah as Gaffney and O’Reilly have portrayed it for years: a “brutally repressive” law hostile to non-Muslims. At the end of the day, Gaffney and O’Reilly make it look like Muslims support things they actually don’t."
Trump Calls for Ban on Muslims, Cites Deeply Flawed Poll


In 2012, nearly half of the 600 million Muslims voting in the election believed that those who parodied Muhammad should be punishable by law, 1/8 believed it should be punished by death: Answering Muslims: Poll: Nearly Half of U.S. Muslims Believe That Critics of Muhammad Should Be Criminally Prosecuted
Wenzel Strategies has a polling rating of C- on FiveThirtyEight https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/
Terrible track record:
"The polling firm gave Todd Akin the lead in his Senate race (he lost by 16%), claimed Mitt Romney and Republican Senate candidates would win in Ohio and Virginia (they lost) and promoted birther conspiracies. The firm even alleged that polls showing President Obama ahead were skewed to favor Obama (they weren’t) because they employ biased college students and intentionally ignore Tea Partiers. After the election, the firm’s head said Obama only won because his supporters are dumb." Farah: Curtail Muslim Immigration | Right Wing Watch
 
Damn, I'm gonna have to do my own polling if I want to get some accurate numbers. Thanks though, it's good to learn that most of my sources are bad. Looking at a pewresearch poll, I found this image, showing that a lot of Muslim majority countries are in favor of Sharia law.

Blatant goalpost moving noted..... Its getting a little chilly in this joint. One could almost say this is a Cold joint to be in.

I notice you posted a graphic from pew Research but you completely ignore the meat of the text.

How do Muslims feel about groups like ISIS?
Recent surveys show that most people in several countries with significant Muslim populations have an unfavorable view of ISIS, including virtually all respondents in Lebanon and 94% in Jordan. Relatively small shares say they see ISIS favorably. In some countries, considerable portions of the population do not offer an opinion about ISIS, including a majority (62%) of Pakistanis.

More generally, Muslims mostly say that suicide bombings and other forms of violence against civilians in the name of Islam are rarely or never justified, including 92% in Indonesia and 91% in Iraq. In the United States, a 2011 survey found that 86% of Muslims say such tactics are rarely or never justified. An additional 7% say suicide bombings are sometimes justified and 1% say they are often justified.

In a few countries, a quarter or more of Muslims say these acts of violence are at least sometimes justified, including 40% in the Palestinian territories, 39% in Afghanistan, 29% in Egypt and 26% in Bangladesh.

Muslims and Islam: Key findings in the U.S. and around the world | Pew Research Center
 
Blatant goalpost moving noted..... Its getting a little chilly in this joint. One could almost say this is a Cold joint to be in.

I notice you posted a graphic from pew Research but you completely ignore the meat of the text.

How do Muslims feel about groups like ISIS?
Recent surveys show that most people in several countries with significant Muslim populations have an unfavorable view of ISIS, including virtually all respondents in Lebanon and 94% in Jordan. Relatively small shares say they see ISIS favorably. In some countries, considerable portions of the population do not offer an opinion about ISIS, including a majority (62%) of Pakistanis.

More generally, Muslims mostly say that suicide bombings and other forms of violence against civilians in the name of Islam are rarely or never justified, including 92% in Indonesia and 91% in Iraq. In the United States, a 2011 survey found that 86% of Muslims say such tactics are rarely or never justified. An additional 7% say suicide bombings are sometimes justified and 1% say they are often justified.

In a few countries, a quarter or more of Muslims say these acts of violence are at least sometimes justified, including 40% in the Palestinian territories, 39% in Afghanistan, 29% in Egypt and 26% in Bangladesh.

Muslims and Islam: Key findings in the U.S. and around the world | Pew Research Center
My cue to add some cold to the joint by pointing out that it's not the majority that counts.

Sorry, just couldn't resist :mrgreen:
 
Verse 4:34 of the Quran. Sorry for the slow response. I'm on a 4 week road trip.
 
I prefer Austin 3:16.

It is notable that you would rather make a joke about wife-beating than admit to the simple truth that verse 4:34 clearly condones it. Do liberals ever consider that things just may not be the way they would like them to be?
 
Fledermaus actually looked at the site and realized the site lies.

They take non-terror incidents and call them terror incidents.

They take incidents that do not indicate Muslims were involved and accuse Muslims.

A site that lies to demonize a religious group is a hate site.

I would consider your argument if you were to provide an example.
 
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