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Re: Teaching liberals why we have religion:

I do realize that the Trinity is a construct of the human mind, as is Religion .(All religions) AS I mentioned in previous post religion is man's attempt to understand his own existence. I didn't express it exactly like that but this is something that I hold true. In that effort man has tried to justify his notions of God by asserting certain arguments. Two such arguments are :God always was and always will be. (A vague description of Energy) ANd to try to help one understand the Trinity, religious leaders offer {Water in it's three different states as an example) My point was that the religious descriptions of God and the Trinity have a certain correlation with :)what we know from the observable world.

So to your point: (There is not one shred of evidence that God exist.) Perhaps God can not be proven by scientific terms. But one does have to accept that existence in itself is a mystery. We know that when people or other creatures copulate generally the result is a birth. WE can see that it was the fertilization of an ovum that produced this event. We can see that taking a tiny seed and placing it in the ground that some type of plant will grow. We also see that the sperm, seed and ovum comes from the parent. What I'm saying is timeless. We have never gotten past this point ,have we? You can subscribe to the Big Bang Theory. O.K. But the expansion and the collapse of space matter is a description of an event but how did the matter exist? What created that matter?
And if that matter was created by something, then what created the creator? The implications to me are frightening, beautiful and mysterious.

Within all living things (energy exist) The Mitochondria. The power house of all muscle tissue is useless from a dynamic point of view without A D P (Adenasine Di phosphate) Spelling is wrong but I think you know what I'm talking about. But A D P has to be converted to ATP (Adenosine tri phosphate) in order for muscle movement to occur. Without that conversion, that synthesis reaction, an organism is said to be in rigamortis. I miss spelled that word too. But you know what I mean. With out A T P what we know as life has vanished. Where has it gone?

If our bodies or the bodies of all other things are left to decompose, the life cycle is still in tact. Plants use death for their life and animals use plants for their life. It's and endless cycle. (World without ending amen.) But what we know as the world doesn't have to be. We are seeing global climatic events take place before our very eyes. Where we are going with these events is not the subject at hand but if we look at other planets we are told that some may have been like planet earth. But even in their barren state , they play a role in the cosmic environment. And within their own atmosphere some type of environmental system exist. Energy is still present. (World without end, Amen) We are not the center of existence. Existence wasn't created exclusively for us. Perhaps we have the ability to modify and utilize and even save the environment from ourselves, for our own well being but that doesn't mean that creation was created for our purposes. Existence is the sole mystery. Why does anything exist? Why do we have the ability to ask ,Why?:):)

I take issue with the word created, that implies a creator. The Big Band happened. Why would it have needed a creator? And the law of conservation of energy does not imply a creator. I don't understand your point about APT.
 
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hate to break it to the liberal but Zeus was not basis for Western Civilization. Christianity is often seen as Platonism for the masses. Do you understand this? The Vatican has School of Athens fresco featuring Plato and Aristotle, not Zeus. OMG!!!

So Plato and Aristotle were Christians? Wow, you are really teaching us liberals stuff we didn't know! Gee, thanks!
 
Re: Teaching liberals why we have religion:

hate to break it to the liberal but Zeus was not basis for Western Civilization. Christianity is often seen as Platonism for the masses. Do you understand this? The Vatican has School of Athens fresco featuring Plato and Aristotle, not Zeus. OMG!!!

Here is how Christianity arose of out of pagan Greek thought: Parmenides ("out of many, one")--->Pythagoras (The mind's eye is more "real" than our own eye)---->Plato (all earthly things have an ideal form in a heaven of ideas, can only be seen by the mind's eye)---->Neoplatonism (especially like with Plotinus, "The One" being the form of all forms, the singularity at the center of all creation).

Now these guys were all pagans. But you take all this, and you marry it to this idea of the Jews and their monotheism, and it's easy to see how you can try to reconcile Plotinus' "the One", with the idea of the Jewish monotheistic God. This was done by figures like St. Augustine, who had originally been a Platonist before becoming a Christian. By the end of the 5th century or so, the marriage between Judaism and Greco-Roman Platonism was pretty much complete. The current Christian worldview was born.

So this "Basis for Western Civilization" has its roots in Greco-Roman pagan philosophy and a tribal religion of the ancient middle east. Kind of a weird hybrid mixed-breed.
 
Re: Teaching liberals why we have religion:

Here is how Christianity arose of out of pagan Greek thought: Parmenides ("out of many, one")--->Pythagoras (The mind's eye is more "real" than our own eye)---->Plato (all earthly things have an ideal form in a heaven of ideas, can only be seen by the mind's eye)---->Neoplatonism (especially like with Plotinus, "The One" being the form of all forms, the singularity at the center of all creation).

Now these guys were all pagans. But you take all this, and you marry it to this idea of the Jews and their monotheism, and it's easy to see how you can try to reconcile Plotinus' "the One", with the idea of the Jewish monotheistic God. This was done by figures like St. Augustine, who had originally been a Platonist before becoming a Christian. By the end of the 5th century or so, the marriage between Judaism and Greco-Roman Platonism was pretty much complete. The current Christian worldview was born.

So this "Basis for Western Civilization" has its roots in Greco-Roman pagan philosophy and a tribal religion of the ancient middle east. Kind of a weird hybrid mixed-breed.

good so you now admit you were wrong about Zeus and Apollo being the basis!!
 
Re: Teaching liberals why we have religion:

So Plato and Aristotle were Christians?!

they were considered greatest thinkers of their time and thus incorporated into the development and evolution of Christian philosophy as indicated by School of Athens fresco in Vatican. Now do you understand?
 
Re: Teaching liberals why we have religion:

The Big Band happened. Why would it have needed a creator?
because from the scientific human POV nothing happens without a cause or creator.
 
Re: Teaching liberals why we have religion:

And the law of conservation of energy does not imply a creator.
oh what does it imply?????? I wonder why you forgot to say?
 
Re: Teaching liberals why we have religion:

they were considered greatest thinkers of their time and thus incorporated into the development and evolution of Christian philosophy as indicated by School of Athens fresco in Vatican. Now do you understand?

so the christian religion is just 1 shaper of civilization that was itself changed by other people

why do we need your magic sky dadys bribes and threats again
 
Re: Teaching liberals why we have religion:

Every time I see "Teaching liberals ..." makes me laugh riotously.
 
Re: Teaching liberals why we have religion:

they were considered greatest thinkers of their time and thus incorporated into the development and evolution of Christian philosophy as indicated by School of Athens fresco in Vatican. Now do you understand?

So Christianity roots are in paganism and are not handed down from God
Do you ever actually read what you write when you are destroying your own ignorant arguemnts or do you just spew BS hoping no one will ever pay any attention?
 
Re: Teaching liberals why we have religion:

You have a similar effect on me.

That's all you ever have, zyzygy. That is your idea of evidence.
 
Re: Teaching liberals why we have religion:

That's all you ever have, zyzygy. That is your idea of evidence.

Says the guy who never provides a shred of evidence and ignores all my questions and every link that I post.
 
Re: Teaching liberals why we have religion:

Says the guy who never provides a shred of evidence and ignores all my questions and every link that I post.

He doesn't just ignore your questions he ignores ALL questions and he seems to have an extreme hatred towards anything involving the term evidence.
 
Re: Teaching liberals why we have religion:

Do you ever actually read what you write when you are destroying your own ignorant arguemnts

Obviously if true you would not have been so afraid to provide your best example of this for whole world to see. I wonder why you forgot?
 
Re: Teaching liberals why we have religion:

So Christianity roots are in paganism and are not handed down from God

Its more accurate to say Christianity's roots were handed down from God and slowly revealed through Greco Roman Judeo Christian philosophy. Too subtle for you?
 
Re: Teaching liberals why we have religion:

So Christianity roots are in paganism and are not handed down from God
Do you ever actually read what you write when you are destroying your own ignorant arguemnts or do you just spew BS hoping no one will ever pay any attention?

he just wants people to believe in and be scared of his god so they will act in ways he likes not sure james is married to the idea of religion actually being divine
 
Re: Teaching liberals why we have religion:

Its more accurate to say Christianity's roots were handed down from God and slowly revealed through Greco Roman Judeo Christian philosophy. Too subtle for you?

seems to false dosent seem accurate at all you just need it to be true or for people to believe its true to get them to do what you want
 
Re: Teaching liberals why we have religion:

Obviously if true you would not have been so afraid to provide your best example of this for whole world to see. I wonder why you forgot?

Obviously if your BS was true you wouldnt be so afraid to provide proof to back it up
 
Re: Teaching liberals why we have religion:

Its more accurate to say Christianity's roots were handed down from God and slowly revealed through Greco Roman Judeo Christian philosophy. Too subtle for you?

You are making a huge leap in assuming that God exists, there is no evidecne of this. So we are left with Christianity having its roots in paganism (according to you)
DO YOU UNDERSTAND?
 
Re: Teaching liberals why we have religion:

he just wants people to believe in and be scared of his god so they will act in ways he likes not sure james is married to the idea of religion actually being divine

He is definetly married ot the idea of an authoritarian state that tell people to live the way he thinks is right and calling that freedom.
But then when were extreme right wing religious zealots ever logical?
 
Re: Teaching liberals why we have religion:

Its more accurate to say Christianity's roots were handed down from God and slowly revealed through Greco Roman Judeo Christian philosophy. Too subtle for you?

There is evidence that Plato in turn was influenced by the Hindu Vedas, by Indian merchants trading in Greece. So perhaps we should really all be Hindus?
 
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So we are left with Christianity having its roots in paganism (according to you)

actually its roots are in Judeo, Greco, Roman,Apostolic, Christian, and Protestant culture. Rather than say its roots are in paganism it would be more accurate to say it formed in opposition to paganism. Did you know that Christianity has only one God?
 
Re: Teaching liberals why we have religion:

he just wants people to believe in and be scared of his god so they will act in ways he likes

yes, far better to act in ways the Christian God would like than in ways liberals like HItler Stalin Mao Pol Pot etc would like.
 
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