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James972 · Jul 14, 2017

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D_NATURED said:
Saying you're a political conservative is vague as ****. It doesn't tell us anything about your thought processes.

What???? who cares about his "thought process"????? you mean like left brain right brain????? We care about who he votes for obviously.

James972 · Jul 14, 2017

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D_NATURED said:
The past, that conservatives seem to long to recreate,

what?? Nazis, Civil War, famine, Communism, Czars, Kings, Depressions are all in our past so it means absolutely nothing to say they want to recreate the past since the past is infinite random and chaotic . What you are trying to say is they want to study and understand the past so we are not destined to repeat the worst of it. This is what our Founders did in making liberalism illegal with our Constitution.

James972 · Jul 14, 2017

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D_NATURED said:
The future, that liberals long to see realized, will be much less generous to those who perpetuate dogma of any kind.
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actually no dogma of any kind means anarchy. I guess that leaves out the Constitution since it is dogmatic enough to make liberalism Nazism and communism illegal.

James972 · Jul 14, 2017

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D_NATURED said:
Religion is useful, personally and politically, for many. Unfortunately, the religions that have survived to perpetuate as memes and culture are the ones who were most brutal.

Actually Christianity survived. It brought us from Rome where an afternoons entertainment was watching innocent people being slowly eaten alive at the Coliseum to the the creation of morality through Martin Luther's 10 commandments which were taught to billions. Do you see incredible debt we own to Christianity?

James972 · Jul 14, 2017

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D_NATURED said:
History is replete with examples of the religious ironically compromising their own values to perpetuate their religion, which they claim to be a set of uncompromising values.

if history is replete with examples then why are you so afraid to give a Christian example?????

James972 · Jul 14, 2017

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D_NATURED said:
As we've created the conditions for internal peace within our nation, through laws that prevent inter-faith violence,

you mean internal peace like the civil wars, indian slaughter, numerous genocides in Europe that had nothing to do with religion.

James972 · Jul 14, 2017

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D_NATURED said:
After all, we don't need religion to vote or to be tolerant of our differences or to teach us about reality.

if not from Jesus and Martin Luther creating morality on earth by teaching billions The 10 Commandments, with the promise of heaven or hell, where do you think morality came, the Pittsburg Steelers????

James972 · Jul 14, 2017

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D_NATURED said:
Religion is most useful as a way to excuse our ignorance,

so we are ignorant because we learned morality from Jesus and the 10 commandments??

James972 · Jul 14, 2017

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D_NATURED said:
Welfare was Jesus' religion too. Pretty ironic, huh?

if the liberal has evidence of this I will pay him $10,000. BEt??

Somerville · Jul 15, 2017

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James972 said:
if not from Jesus and Martin Luther creating morality on earth by teaching billions The 10 Commandments, with the promise of heaven or hell, where do you think morality came, the Pittsburg Steelers????

Not the Steelers, morality came from our ancestors as we evolved from H. heidelbergensis to H. sapiens neandertalinsis and H. sapiens sapiens (that's us modern humans)

Somerville · Jul 15, 2017

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James972 said:
so we are ignorant because we learned morality from Jesus and the 10 commandments??

A person is not just ignorant - which implies that person simply lacks knowledge of a subject - but one might say is deliberately refusing, (deliberately ignorant), to accept the facts which show us that morality has many origins during the development of civilization.

Somerville · Jul 15, 2017

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James972 said:
if history is replete with examples then why are you so afraid to give a Christian example?????

Oh, jimmie, jimmie, jimmie. Ain't read much history, have ya?

Where shall we start?

782 - The Massacre of Verden, Charlemagne ordered the execution of 4500 pagan Saxons who refused to convert to Christianity.

The Massacres of 1391

The terrible massacres of the Jews, in 1391, form a turning point in Spanish history. They mark the end of the ages of toleration, during which the Peninsula offered a refuge to the unfortunate children of Israel (. . .) the outbreak was the work of one man, Ferrand Martinez, Archdeacon of Ecija (. . . ) The document, (. . .) throws some light (. . .) on the unbending resolution of the man to accomplish what he regarded as his duty to God.

More than 10,000 Jews were killed and thousands were forced to convert - or die.

In the 16th Century, King Henry VIII of England ordered the execution of two cardinals, two archbishops, 18 bishops, 13 abbots of large monasteries, 500 priors and monks, 38 University Doctors , 12 Dukes or Counts, 164 noblemen, 124 private citizens and 110 women; all of whom had refused to accept Henry as the head of the church.

1572 - Massacre of Saint Bartholomew’s Day describes the slaughter of French Huguenots by Roman Catholics

The Troubles in Ireland during the 20th Century is the name for the conflict between Protestant Irish who wished to remain in the United Kingdom and Catholic Irish who pushed for an independent nation which would control all of the island and not just the 3/4ths they controlled.

Just a few examples of 'good' Christians killing pagans and those who worshipped in other faiths.

James972 · Jul 15, 2017

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Somerville said:
Oh, jimmie, jimmie, jimmie. Ain't read much history, have ya?
Where shall we start?
782 - The Massacre of Verden, Charlemagne ordered the execution of 4500 pagan Saxons who refused to convert to Christianity.

so??? Christians then were half-civilized Romans and war was the natural way to settle differences. Its like pointing out that then they were backwards because they didn't use John Deere tractors to plow their fields? What is your point if you have any idea?

Somerville · Jul 15, 2017

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James972 said:
so??? Christians then were half-civilized Romans and war was the natural way to settle differences. Its like pointing out that then they were backwards because they didn't use John Deere tractors to plow their fields? What is your point if you have any idea?

Can you say "Moving goalposts"? I'll bet you can

Your question: if history is replete with examples then why are you so afraid to give a Christian example?????

fmw · Jul 16, 2017

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James972 said:
Without it you can just as easily kill someone as love him. Simple enough?

Probably true thousands of years ago when religions were born. Religion was and still is a strong means of social control. Humanity has now progressed to the point that religion isn't so important for social control. Most people understand that living life in a way that is good for society is also good for them. In other words modern man seems to have outgrown religion. Just my observation. I abandoned religion in my teens and I'm not a liberal. I have lived a straight and moral life despite having no religion in it. It isn't that unusual. Religion doesn't prevent bad behavior univerally, it just prevents some of it and does so less today than it did long ago.

James972 · Jul 16, 2017

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Somerville said:
Can you say "Moving goalposts"? I'll bet you can

of course if true you would why be so afraid to provide an example of moving goal posts????

James972 · Jul 16, 2017

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fmw said:
Probably true thousands of years ago when religions were born. Religion was and still is a strong means of social control. .

and thank GOD since we prefer thou shall not kill to thou shall kill!!!

James972 · Jul 16, 2017

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fmw said:
Most people understand that living life in a way that is good for society is also good for them.

totally wrong of course. Remove the police tomorrow and civilization would disappear tomorrow!!

James972 · Jul 16, 2017

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fmw said:
I have lived a straight and moral life despite having no religion in it.

actually your morality came from Jesus and Luther who created morality by teaching the 10 commandments to billions. Did you think your morality came from the Pittsburg Steelers?

James972 · Jul 16, 2017

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fmw said:
Religion doesn't prevent bad behavior univerally,
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right, it's the Pittsburg Steelers that do that?? All Germans behaved badly under the Nazi religion- right? So the only question then is what religion do you want to have for social control. Christianity is obviously best since it created America which most recently freed 1.2 billion human beings from communist slavery in China.

blarg · Jul 16, 2017

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James972 said:
and thank GOD since we prefer thou shall not kill to thou shall kill!!!

murder you mean the 1st thing that god did after Moses got back was threaten to kill every one and it only settled for killing a bunch of people

blarg · Jul 16, 2017

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James972 said:
actually your morality came from Jesus and Luther who created morality by teaching the 10 commandments to billions. Did you think your morality came from the Pittsburg Steelers?

only people weer developing it before them and after and that is why the Romans weer not magically a decent people after becoming Christians

blarg · Jul 16, 2017

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blarg · Jul 16, 2017

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fmw · Jul 17, 2017

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James972 said:
right, it's the Pittsburg Steelers that do that?? All Germans behaved badly under the Nazi religion- right? So the only question then is what religion do you want to have for social control. Christianity is obviously best since it created America which most recently freed 1.2 billion human beings from communist slavery in China.

If my comment were incorrect then no religious people would engage in crime. You know that isn't true. Why drag me into your rant? I just told the truth.