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Time to replace the outdated ten commandments ?

Andalublue said:
What about rape within marriage? Not much mention of that anywhere.
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There is many verses about respecting your wife and loving her as yourself. I'm not a biblical scholar and honestly has been a long time since I have read it. I don't think it specifically states it as bad but it is pretty much implied.
 
flogger said:
Another valid reason to update them in an era of mass contraception. Religion seems awfully hung up on what consenting adults do in their private lives when its nobody elses business :wink:
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Well I agree with you from a governing stance. I don't believe Americans should be held to biblical standards of living since not all Americans are Christians. I have pretty much always been for same sex marriage and legalizing drugs for that reason.
 
We could go with just one: Don't be a ****ing asshole.

It covers everything. What kind of person doesn't learn something every day? A ****ing asshole, that's who. what kind of person steals? A ****ing asshole, that's who.

You can do it for pretty much every things that needs commanding.
 
Nap said:
Technically he did with the adultery commandment since as a Christian you are only supposed to be having sex with your wife and premarital sex is considered a sin.
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Wives can be raped.

Still.... crickets.
 
Nap said:
There is many verses about respecting your wife and loving her as yourself. I'm not a biblical scholar and honestly has been a long time since I have read it. I don't think it specifically states it as bad but it is pretty much implied.
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It's also pretty heavily implied that women are property. It also says this (and I quote):

"If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her."

Again, rape is totally not in the ten commandments.
 
flogger said:
I've often heard it said that athiests cannot be trusted to be good because they have no faith and that fewer than half of Americans would vote for any politician who declared himself to be one?

Here is an athiests take on some new rules on how to live a good and moral life in the absence of outdated religious superstition and more in tune with the moral zeitgeist of today

1.Treat your fellow human beings your fellow living things and the world in general with love honesty faithfulness and respect.

2. Always seek to be learning something new.

3. Test all things; always check your ideas against facts and be ready to discard even a cherished belief if it does not conform to them

4. Never seek to censor or cut yourself off from dissent; always respect the right of others to disagree with you

5. Form independent opinions on the basis of your own reason and experience; do not allow yourself to be led blindly by others

6. Enjoy your own sex life (so long as it damages nobody else) and leave others to enjoy theirs in private whatever their inclinations, which are none of your business

7. Do not indoctrinate your children. Teach them how to think for themselves, to value evidence and how to disagree with you

8. Do not do to others what you would not want them to do to you

9. In all things strive to cause no harm

10. Always question everything

Your thoughts ?
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Very good. But I won't be able to keep to 1. No good trying to make me love mosquitoes and respect their right to spread malaria.
 
Gonzo Rodeo said:
It's also pretty heavily implied that women are property. It also says this (and I quote):

"If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her."

Again, rape is totally not in the ten commandments.
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I'm pretty sure that is old testament, the new testament is largely where most of Christian values come from. Again, I'm not a biblical scholar so I'm not really the person that can accurately defend or explain the verses. I can tell you this though, if you poll all Christians around the world 99.9% (there will always be nutcases that use the bible to justify what they want to do) will tell you that they view rape as a sin.
 
flogger said:
I've often heard it said that athiests cannot be trusted to be good because they have no faith and that fewer than half of Americans would vote for any politician who declared himself to be one?

Here is an athiests take on some new rules on how to live a good and moral life in the absence of outdated religious superstition and more in tune with the moral zeitgeist of today

1.Treat your fellow human beings your fellow living things and the world in general with love honesty faithfulness and respect.

2. Always seek to be learning something new.

3. Test all things; always check your ideas against facts and be ready to discard even a cherished belief if it does not conform to them

4. Never seek to censor or cut yourself off from dissent; always respect the right of others to disagree with you

5. Form independent opinions on the basis of your own reason and experience; do not allow yourself to be led blindly by others

6. Enjoy your own sex life (so long as it damages nobody else) and leave others to enjoy theirs in private whatever their inclinations, which are none of your business

7. Do not indoctrinate your children. Teach them how to think for themselves, to value evidence and how to disagree with you

8. Do not do to others what you would not want them to do to you

9. In all things strive to cause no harm

10. Always question everything

Your thoughts ?
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Well, my initial thought is that there actually weren't just 10 commandments...

Here's proof:

 
Nap said:
I'm pretty sure that is old testament, the new testament is largely where most of Christian values come from. Again, I'm not a biblical scholar so I'm not really the person that can accurately defend or explain the verses. I can tell you this though, if you poll all Christians around the world 99.9% (there will always be nutcases that use the bible to justify what they want to do) will tell you that they view rape as a sin.
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...um, the ten commandments are in the Old Testament.
 
Thanks for your efforts but I'll stick with the old Ten Commandments.
 
Gonzo Rodeo said:
...um, the ten commandments are in the Old Testament.
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Like I said I am not the one that should be explaining stuff to you, I personally haven't been in church in over 10 years. 10 commandments were in the old testament and yes those are still followed or at least supposed to be but many things covered outside of those were changed with the new testament. Like I said I am not going to be much help to you :p

Also if any Christians noticed anything I have misspoke on please correct me, would hate to mislead anyone
 
flogger said:
I've often heard it said that athiests cannot be trusted to be good because they have no faith and that fewer than half of Americans would vote for any politician who declared himself to be one?

Here is an athiests take on some new rules on how to live a good and moral life in the absence of outdated religious superstition and more in tune with the moral zeitgeist of today

1.Treat your fellow human beings your fellow living things and the world in general with love honesty faithfulness and respect.

2. Always seek to be learning something new.

3. Test all things; always check your ideas against facts and be ready to discard even a cherished belief if it does not conform to them

4. Never seek to censor or cut yourself off from dissent; always respect the right of others to disagree with you

5. Form independent opinions on the basis of your own reason and experience; do not allow yourself to be led blindly by others

6. Enjoy your own sex life (so long as it damages nobody else) and leave others to enjoy theirs in private whatever their inclinations, which are none of your business

7. Do not indoctrinate your children. Teach them how to think for themselves, to value evidence and how to disagree with you

8. Do not do to others what you would not want them to do to you

9. In all things strive to cause no harm

10. Always question everything

Your thoughts ?
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I'm an atheist. I find nothing in the ten commandments that needs changing and I do not consider it my place to change them.. Mostly I structure my life around the principals of the ten commandments. I just don't go to church every Sunday to hear them repeated.

What I see in your list is your idea of how to live your life. That too is OK with me.
 
zyzygy said:
There are 613 commandments in the OT.
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THat is the number that is traditionally given, yes,.. but I will also point out that many of those commandments are obsolete, since they specifically have to do with the behavior and ritual in the temple. Since the temple doesn't exist, the conditions needed to be able to follow or disguard those commandment no longer exist either
 
Nap said:
Like I said I am not the one that should be explaining stuff to you, I personally haven't been in church in over 10 years. 10 commandments were in the old testament and yes those are still followed or at least supposed to be but many things covered outside of those were changed with the new testament. Like I said I am not going to be much help to you :p

Also if any Christians noticed anything I have misspoke on please correct me, would hate to mislead anyone
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The whole point of the thread is that the ten commandments as a holistic set are themselves outdated, much like the rest of the Deuteronomic code, and the bronze age culture that created both.

Doesn't it strike you as a little odd that a perfect god somehow neglected to include basic human tenets in the first set of laws given to man? Doesn't it seem odd that the God of the Old Testament seems to share the morals of bronze age shepherds and not those of the enlightened societies that came later?
 
flogger said:
I've often heard it said that athiests cannot be trusted to be good because they have no faith and that fewer than half of Americans would vote for any politician who declared himself to be one?

Here is an athiests take on some new rules on how to live a good and moral life in the absence of outdated religious superstition and more in tune with the moral zeitgeist of today

1.Treat your fellow human beings your fellow living things and the world in general with love honesty faithfulness and respect.

2. Always seek to be learning something new.

3. Test all things; always check your ideas against facts and be ready to discard even a cherished belief if it does not conform to them

4. Never seek to censor or cut yourself off from dissent; always respect the right of others to disagree with you

5. Form independent opinions on the basis of your own reason and experience; do not allow yourself to be led blindly by others

6. Enjoy your own sex life (so long as it damages nobody else) and leave others to enjoy theirs in private whatever their inclinations, which are none of your business

7. Do not indoctrinate your children. Teach them how to think for themselves, to value evidence and how to disagree with you

8. Do not do to others what you would not want them to do to you

9. In all things strive to cause no harm

10. Always question everything

Your thoughts ?
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How can an athesist be faithful? Athesist are by definition, without faith.

Which of the 10 commandments are outdated?

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flogger said:
I've often heard it said that athiests cannot be trusted to be good because they have no faith and that fewer than half of Americans would vote for any politician who declared himself to be one?

Here is an athiests take on some new rules on how to live a good and moral life in the absence of outdated religious superstition and more in tune with the moral zeitgeist of today

1.Treat your fellow human beings your fellow living things and the world in general with love honesty faithfulness and respect.

2. Always seek to be learning something new.

3. Test all things; always check your ideas against facts and be ready to discard even a cherished belief if it does not conform to them

4. Never seek to censor or cut yourself off from dissent; always respect the right of others to disagree with you

5. Form independent opinions on the basis of your own reason and experience; do not allow yourself to be led blindly by others

6. Enjoy your own sex life (so long as it damages nobody else) and leave others to enjoy theirs in private whatever their inclinations, which are none of your business

7. Do not indoctrinate your children. Teach them how to think for themselves, to value evidence and how to disagree with you

8. Do not do to others what you would not want them to do to you

9. In all things strive to cause no harm

10. Always question everything

Your thoughts ?
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The thread title...must not have paid attention to the whole Jesus is the fulfillment of the old covenant.


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blackjack50 said:
The thread title...must not have paid attention to the whole Jesus is the fulfillment of the old covenant.


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Yeah, what this guy said.

Jesus said you have to be nice to your slaves now.
 
trouble13 said:
How can an athesist be faithful? Athesist are by definition, without faith.

Which of the 10 commandments are outdated?

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Incorrect.. An atheist, by definition is without belief in God. That would eliminate 'faith in god', to be true, but faith in general, .. no.
 
CrabCake said:
The commandments are grouped in a certain way that is of theological significance (which you have hinted at), but they are not ordered in order of priority or importance because all of Gods commands are understood to be of equal importance. That's what the teacher of the law was counting on when he tried to trap Jesus (Matthew 22:35-36) by asking which was most important; any answer other than "all of them" would be wrong.
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Is that to say that every version of the commandments are equally important? I think they are...but in a different sense than you would likely agree with.
 
flogger said:
I've often heard it said that athiests cannot be trusted to be good because they have no faith and that fewer than half of Americans would vote for any politician who declared himself to be one?

Here is an athiests take on some new rules on how to live a good and moral life in the absence of outdated religious superstition and more in tune with the moral zeitgeist of today

1.Treat your fellow human beings your fellow living things and the world in general with love honesty faithfulness and respect.

2. Always seek to be learning something new.

3. Test all things; always check your ideas against facts and be ready to discard even a cherished belief if it does not conform to them

4. Never seek to censor or cut yourself off from dissent; always respect the right of others to disagree with you

5. Form independent opinions on the basis of your own reason and experience; do not allow yourself to be led blindly by others

6. Enjoy your own sex life (so long as it damages nobody else) and leave others to enjoy theirs in private whatever their inclinations, which are none of your business

7. Do not indoctrinate your children. Teach them how to think for themselves, to value evidence and how to disagree with you

8. Do not do to others what you would not want them to do to you

9. In all things strive to cause no harm

10. Always question everything

Your thoughts ?
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Dude...number 8 is needlessly confusing, especially when the Golden Rule says the same thing in simpler terms.

a rule of ethical conduct referring to Matthew 7:12 and Luke 6:31: do to others as you would have them do to you

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/golden rule
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Anyway, I'll stick with the 10 Commandments...though I pay little attention to the first 4 since I'm not a religious kind of guy.
 
Mycroft said:
Dude...number 8 is needlessly confusing, especially when the Golden Rule says the same thing in simpler terms.
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As George Carlin humorously illustrated earlier in post #13 they can be synthesised down to only two that are relevant to the world of today
 
flogger said:
As George Carlin humorously illustrated earlier in post #13 they can be synthesised down to only two that are relevant to the world of today
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If you wanted to distill it futher and not worry about the one who give you nuggy, you can just have 'don't be a jerk'
 
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