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9 of 10 Worst Countries for Christian Persecution are 50% or more Muslim

Chagos said:
...........which is principally why those advocating combating Islam in general play right into the hands of the likes of IS.

Singing from the same propaganda hymn sheet of terrorism being a prerequisite for any true Muslim, albeit singing for different reasons.
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It is the opposite. Islamists laugh at weakness and apologists.
 
Fishking said:
If that's what was said then that's completely unacceptable. We may not like various aspects of certain things but a free and open society has to accept certain inherent risks and danger or we are no longer free.

Islamic terrorism has been very successful in certain aspects and one of those is to get people to support the destruction of our liberties in an attempt to fight them.
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I actually brought it several times on different threads to make sure I was not mistaken as to what he said, and each time his answer was the same.
 
Orly? said:
“Approximately 100 million Christians are persecuted worldwide, making them one of the most persecuted religious groups in the world,”

And a western liberal propaganda smear campaign against them too..
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Yes there are a lot of Christians persecuted worldwide, specifically in the Muslim world and China. However, none of them are in the United States. That is why it is a slap in the face to those that face real persecution for a Christian in this country to whine about their supposed persecution.
 
Tigerace117 said:
You must live in a perpetual state of perplexed outrage, seeing as you can't seem to understand the concept of things which happened long ago motivating actions today.

The Europeans taught the peoples of Africa, Asia and Middle East a certain way of doing things. All they are doing is following in their former rulers' footsteps.
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What was it that the Europeans taught the Africans, Asians and Middle Easterners?
 
Chagos said:
...........which is principally why those advocating combating Islam in general play right into the hands of the likes of IS.

Singing from the same propaganda hymn sheet of terrorism being a prerequisite for any true Muslim, albeit singing for different reasons.
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What about ""those advocating combating Islamic Persecution of Christians and other minorities?
(IOW, this string topic)
Of Course, many Islamic countries in general at least tolerate, if not ignore, or even officially sanction, persecution of Christians/other minorities.
 
Tigerace117 said:
I already answered this question earlier in the thread.
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Well, as it undoubtedly has to do with colonization or oppressive expanding force I would find that argument irrelevant as well as incorrect.
 
AlbqOwl said:
The difference is, however, that Christians do not put any kind of restrictions on people of other religions in what they believe, in how noticeable they are, in how they conduct their worship services, or on inviting others to join them. All American Christians want is to be able to worship and demonstrate and enjoy their faith, contributions, and history without harassment or persecution from others, including the ACLU, and are perfectly okay with people of other faiths doing the same.

What Christians in other countries most want is the right and ability to exist at all.
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This may be what mot Christians want, but it is definitely not what all Christians, even in the US, want. Many Christians in the US would be quite happy with outlawing other religions or making laws to ban them from holding office or laws that were based on the Bible for all people to follow. Again, it doesn't have to be a majority for it to be the case that these people do exist.

The difference here is that our country grew out of a lot of our ignorance in regards to religious entanglement in secular law long ago, but it pretty much took dragging at least some Christians here in the US kicking and screaming to do it. Many of those Muslim countries have not grown out of it. Lack of education, very strict control over the people, and many other things is why they haven't grown out of it yet. But they likely will just as our country should keep growing more secular as well.

We still have laws that restrict people over religion though. Alaska at least had a law (not sure if still in place, but haven't read otherwise) that atheists could not testify in court. Several states bar atheists from holding government office (not saying it's constitutional, only that the laws are in place). There are plenty of examples in our history of religious persecution.
 
roguenuke said:
This may be what mot Christians want, but it is definitely not what all Christians, even in the US, want. Many Christians in the US would be quite happy with outlawing other religions or making laws to ban them from holding office or laws that were based on the Bible for all people to follow. Again, it doesn't have to be a majority for it to be the case that these people do exist.

The difference here is that our country grew out of a lot of our ignorance in regards to religious entanglement in secular law long ago, but it pretty much took dragging at least some Christians here in the US kicking and screaming to do it. Many of those Muslim countries have not grown out of it. Lack of education, very strict control over the people, and many other things is why they haven't grown out of it yet. But they likely will just as our country should keep growing more secular as well.

We still have laws that restrict people over religion though. Alaska at least had a law (not sure if still in place, but haven't read otherwise) that atheists could not testify in court. Several states bar atheists from holding government office (not saying it's constitutional, only that the laws are in place). There are plenty of examples in our history of religious persecution.
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Your post suggests you don't know very much about the history or character of Christians or Christianity at all. I'm sure you believe what you're saying here though.
 
AlbqOwl said:
Your post suggests you don't know very much about the history or character of Christians or Christianity at all. I'm sure you believe what you're saying here though.
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I know a lot about Christians. And I know about Christian characters both in history and now.

Either these people are Christians too, even bad ones, but still Christians, or Christians don't get to claim their majority numbers since those numbers come from self proclaimed Christianity as their belief.

Westboro Baptist Church

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church

Charles Worley, Providence Baptist Church

Pastor calls for death of gays, lesbians - NY Daily News

Or how about the Edict of Compiegne?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edict_of_Compi%C3%A8gne

Printing presses, when first invented, were highly regulated once it was realized that people would start printing their own beliefs and spreading those beliefs around. This was in the name of Christian purity, from both Protestants and Catholics.

Arkansas, Maryland, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Texas all have laws still on the books that say atheists cannot hold public office, and at least one atheist government official in Asheville, NC faced a potential threat to use this law against him when he was elected (showing that some really do believe they should not hold office). Others argue that atheists should not be allowed to testify since swearing to tell the truth on the bible or any other holy book or symbol would be meaningless to them.

Christians went on witch hunts during the period between the 15th and 18th centuries, killing men and women deemed witches, said to worship the devil and attempting to sway people away from Christianity. Death had been a "just punishment" for buggery for a long time, before about the last century or so, even if the relationships were consensual.

So what part is it that you think is not true? That there aren't some Christians who would like to force others to live under Christian rules, force them to be Christians or kill nonChristians? Because you would be wrong. Those Christians are out there.
 
roguenuke said:
I know a lot about Christians. And I know about Christian characters both in history and now.

Either these people are Christians too, even bad ones, but still Christians, or Christians don't get to claim their majority numbers since those numbers come from self proclaimed Christianity as their belief.

Westboro Baptist Church

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church

Charles Worley, Providence Baptist Church

Pastor calls for death of gays, lesbians - NY Daily News

Or how about the Edict of Compiegne?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edict_of_Compiègne

Printing presses, when first invented, were highly regulated once it was realized that people would start printing their own beliefs and spreading those beliefs around. This was in the name of Christian purity, from both Protestants and Catholics.

Arkansas, Maryland, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Texas all have laws still on the books that say atheists cannot hold public office, and at least one atheist government official in Asheville, NC faced a potential threat to use this law against him when he was elected (showing that some really do believe they should not hold office). Others argue that atheists should not be allowed to testify since swearing to tell the truth on the bible or any other holy book or symbol would be meaningless to them.

Christians went on witch hunts during the period between the 15th and 18th centuries, killing men and women deemed witches, said to worship the devil and attempting to sway people away from Christianity. Death had been a "just punishment" for buggery for a long time, before about the last century or so, even if the relationships were consensual.

So what part is it that you think is not true? That there aren't some Christians who would like to force others to live under Christian rules, force them to be Christians or kill nonChristians? Because you would be wrong. Those Christians are out there.
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I have worked in the church locally, regionally, and nationally in some capacity all my life since I was in high school. I know many Christians, and I could not name a single one of them who does not condemn, without qualification, the Westboro Baptist Church. I don't have a clue whether any member of that organization would identify himself or herself as a Christian, but I can say without equivocation that their actions are entirely unChristian, unAmerican, hateful, and evil.

To equate the Westboro Baptist Church as what Christians are is as utterly stupid as equating Joseph Stalin to what Athiests are.

So I stopped reading your post right there.
 
AlbqOwl said:
I have worked in the church locally, regionally, and nationally in some capacity all my life since I was in high school. I know many Christians, and I could not name a single one of them who does not condemn, without qualification, the Westboro Baptist Church. I don't have a clue whether any member of that organization would identify himself or herself as a Christian, but I can say without equivocation that their actions are entirely unChristian, unAmerican, hateful, and evil.

To equate the Westboro Baptist Church as what Christians are is as utterly stupid as equating Joseph Stalin to what Athiests are.

So I stopped reading your post right there.
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They see themselves as Christians. That is what identifies a Christian, just as it is what identifies a Muslim, when they profess to be Muslim, or a Jew.

And I didn't equate WBC to what all Christians are. I said they are Christians. And Christians can be fanatical and extreme in their beliefs, try to oppress people with those beliefs, just as other people in other religions, particular Islam, can be. There aren't as many Christians today who do this (but that doesn't mean there weren't plenty in history, blasphemy, heresy, were both very serious offenses in this past) compared to Muslims, but they still do exist. Your statement said all Christians want to do in the US is to live peacefully and not oppress others. This simply isn't true of all Christians, just as it isn't true that all Muslims want to oppress others or other religions.

One of the main claims Christians in this country make is that they are a majority and have been, but then you can't make that claim if you then exclude certain "Christians" for actions that you view or even a majority view as unchristianlike. The same could easily be said for many Muslims, that they view extremist Muslims or those Muslims who would kill or oppress others as not really Muslims.
 
The Copts (Egypt's Original Inhabitants before the Muslim-Arab conquest) regularly get hit, and those doing the hitting usually escape justice. Though the Govt and Islamic authorities have condemned the blast.

Local media: Blast at Cairo cathedral kills at least 25 - CNN.com
By Basma Atassi, Sarah Sirgany and Chandrika Narayan
December 13, 2016 [+VIDEO report]

Security fears swept across Cairo on Monday as police probed the deadly bomb blast that ripped through a Coptic church the day before.

The explosion Sunday morning -- in the city's Abbassiya district -- hit the small church of St. Peter and St. Paul attached to the St. Mark's Coptic Orthodox Cathedral, said the Coptic Church's official spokesperson, Rev. Paul Halim, according to the government-sponsored Al-Ahram news outlet.

At least 25 people are dead and dozens injured, Al-Ahram said, citing the health ministry.

In response to questions from CNN about the size of the bomb, a police official who asked not to be named told CNN: "It is too early to determine the type and amount of the explosives used," and authorities are unable to confirm reports about a 12-kilogram bomb.
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The attack targeted one of the most symbolic religious sites for Copts.."​

same page:

Copts facing persecution

Copts face persecution and discrimination that has spiked since the toppling of Hosni Mubarak's regime in 2011. Dozens have been killed in sectarian clashes. There is also little Christian representation in Egypt's government.

Coptic Christians make up about 10% of Egypt's 91 million residents. They base their theology on the teachings of the Apostle Mark, who introduced Christianity to Egypt, according to St. Takla Church in Alexandria, the capital of Coptic Christianity.​


WARNING: Graphic Videos here of the moment of the bombing and aftermath
Apocalyptic Videos of St. Peter's Bombing - Raymond Ibrahim
 
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mbig said:
And 40 of the top 50.
The Worldwide purge continues. While in the West, Islam [is allowed] to be the "fastest growing religion," as it unwittingly and hypocritically claims, 'Arab Spring' ended up as 'Nuclear Winter' for Christians. As if things weren't bad enough already.

9 of 10 Worst Countries for Persecution of Christians Have 50% or Greater Muslim Populations
9 of 10 Worst Countries for Persecution of Christians Have 50% or Greater Muslim Populations
By Lauretta Brown | January 8, 2015


And there are only 57 members of the OIC/Organization of Islamic Countries.
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Isn't the title and thrust of this article a bit inane? How could it be otherwise? There are two dominant monotheistic religions in the world - Christianity and Islam. They conflict with one another and tend toward intolerance. Where Christians are persecuted, wouldn't it be expected to be in an Islamic state? Where else would it occur?
 
VDL said:
Isn't the title and thrust of this article a bit inane? How could it be otherwise? There are two dominant monotheistic religions in the world - Christianity and Islam. They conflict with one another and tend toward intolerance. Where Christians are persecuted, wouldn't it be expected to be in an Islamic state? Where else would it occur?
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Actually, your post is "a bit inane."
If one looks at past years, or those in the top 25 but not top 10, (this year) there are countries like Vietnam, Burma, India, China.
Second, there is nowhere near it Christian persecution Muslims in their countries. The gap is Exponential.
Muslims are "the fastest Growing religion" in Western Christian countries, while Christian are being (and have been for 100 years) Purged from Muslim countries.
 
VDL said:
Isn't the title and thrust of this article a bit inane? How could it be otherwise? There are two dominant monotheistic religions in the world - Christianity and Islam. They conflict with one another and tend toward intolerance. Where Christians are persecuted, wouldn't it be expected to be in an Islamic state? Where else would it occur?
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Oh, sorry - my mistake. I thought I was commenting on the title of one current article. I didn't realize the article was meant to stretch so far beyond the confines of it's title.
 
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