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Christian Woman to be Executed Soon for Breaking Sharia Law

Why would you mock people for protesting and speaking out against such heinous treatment of Asia Bibi and countless others?
Also raises the question of what the heck people so disparaging of others are actually doing themselves.

Short of the continuous and repetitive slander, I have never seen even the semblance of a suggestion from this source on how to address actual matters.
 
It might not be conducive to some people's agenda to realize that the Pakistani justice system has not hanged anyone at all yet for blasphemy. Not in all its history.

There have, and that is the very bad part, lynchings. There have been even those in prisons and, what is worse, by prison guards.

But as death sentences officially carried out go, this would be the first one.

Asia Bibis (umpteenth) appeal failed on Thursday, not because it was rejected but because the court found itself unable to rule. Due to one of the three judges feeling the necessity to excuse himself on grounds of being compromised by his role in the Salman Taseer case.

Until the necessary final ruling can be made there will be no execution.

Fat load of comfort that'll be to the poor woman, seeing how the mobs are threatening to kill anyone even remotely considering overturning the sentence or (if no other avenues present themselves) even a pardon.
 
While we accept people from all faiths here in the west, it's important to remember that people in other parts of the world are still being killed for their faith. This woman has 2 children, and is likely going to be hung soon for a simple argument that she had. Pakistan embraces Sharia Law, which makes any criticism of the prophet Muhammad a potential death d sentence.

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In general, I think any person who thinks it is ok to force their personal religious beliefs on another through physical violence (law) is a piece of human garbage. This is what sharia/theocracy is.

The founders concurred which is why one of the main principles on which this nation was founded (and on which the Constitution is supposed to be interpreted) was that Individual rights and freedoms/liberty is "Above" the legitimate authority/power of Gov't.

Sharia then goes against the very principles on which this nation was founded and on this basis no person who believes in Sharia should be allowed to immigrate to the US.

Not all Muslims believe in Sharia. One country in particular that was secular and did not have sharia law was/is Syria. Unlike Saudi Arabia, there were Churches of different faiths. In Saud no Churches other than Muslim at allowed and one is not allowed to express another faith openly. Syria was a "Secular" nation.

Assad had Christian Generals in his army. Women were not treated like slaves and did not need permission from a man to be educated (unlike Saud). There was alcohol and dancing in bars. Women could (and did) wear skirts and proper bathing suits.

The moderate Muslims in the civil war are the one's fighting for Assad. The Rebel Opposition - while made up of many different groups - is unified in wanting strict sharia/theocracy to be the law of the land/political system (Islamists).

These Islamists are mostly extremists (Al Qaeda/Al Nusra, Islamic Front, ISIS and others of the same ilk). The "call to Jihad" is the fight against secularism. While the "western infidel" is bad ... "secularism - individual rights and liberty" in a Muslim nation was viewed as a cancer from within.

So before calling out Pakistan for implementing sharia .... I suggest folks first take a hard look at how the US (in conjunction with Saud, Turkey and others) has been arming extremist Islamists in Syria who want to do just that.
 
In general, I think any person who thinks it is ok to force their personal religious beliefs on another through physical violence (law) is a piece of human garbage. This is what sharia/theocracy is.

The founders concurred which is why one of the main principles on which this nation was founded (and on which the Constitution is supposed to be interpreted) was that Individual rights and freedoms/liberty is "Above" the legitimate authority/power of Gov't.

Sharia then goes against the very principles on which this nation was founded and on this basis no person who believes in Sharia should be allowed to immigrate to the US.

Not all Muslims believe in Sharia. One country in particular that was secular and did not have sharia law was/is Syria. Unlike Saudi Arabia, there were Churches of different faiths. In Saud no Churches other than Muslim at allowed and one is not allowed to express another faith openly. Syria was a "Secular" nation.

Assad had Christian Generals in his army. Women were not treated like slaves and did not need permission from a man to be educated (unlike Saud). There was alcohol and dancing in bars. Women could (and did) wear skirts and proper bathing suits.

The moderate Muslims in the civil war are the one's fighting for Assad. The Rebel Opposition - while made up of many different groups - is unified in wanting strict sharia/theocracy to be the law of the land/political system (Islamists).

These Islamists are mostly extremists (Al Qaeda/Al Nusra, Islamic Front, ISIS and others of the same ilk). The "call to Jihad" is the fight against secularism. While the "western infidel" is bad ... "secularism - individual rights and liberty" in a Muslim nation was viewed as a cancer from within.

So before calling out Pakistan for implementing sharia .... I suggest folks first take a hard look at how the US (in conjunction with Saud, Turkey and others) has been arming extremist Islamists in Syria who want to do just that.

Great points, and I completely agree with you. Obama and Bush were jihad enablers who left the Mideast in a worse state. The upcoming US Presidential election is crucial, and we can't afford another bad president like Obama and Bush. For all of Trump's shortcomings, I believe that he is the right candidate to break away from the status quo of disturbing things in the Mideast.
 
Great points, and I completely agree with you. Obama and Bush were jihad enablers who left the Mideast in a worse state. The upcoming US Presidential election is crucial, and we can't afford another bad president like Obama and Bush. For all of Trump's shortcomings, I believe that he is the right candidate to break away from the status quo of disturbing things in the Mideast.

I wish I agreed with you. I really do. While I agree that Trump has said some good words - words that he may well mean - the problem is that he comes with some big baggage = (GOP).


Like Obama (Mr. Hope and Change) - Civil Rights fighter and constitutional lawyer.. Trump will likely do a similar 180 when he hits the oval orifice.

Even I he doesn't (and I am certain he would) it would not really matter because the President is just one person.

The "Establishment" pulls the strings and it does not matter whether or not one votes Red or Blue because both are the same in relation to most of the significant issues (especially foreign policy).

International financiers make money off of funding both sides of a war. Defense contractors (mostly owned by the same financiers) also make money off of war. The Bureaucracy also feeds off the war (justifies its existence).

Extreme Socialism (communism/totalitarianism) and extreme capitalism meet at the far end of the spectrum. In both cases you have only a few people (or groups) owning all (or most) resources and means of production and the worker reduced to a form of indentured slavery.

Somehow we have managed to combine the worst of both extremes into what I call the Oligopoly-Bureaucracy Fusion Monster.

It is this monster that pulls the strings - runs the show and both Red and Blue are representatives of the same monster. Both Red and Blue hate the constitution and the principles on which this nation was founded - individual rights and freedoms/ liberty , limited Gov't under control of we the people. Both trample on the individual liberty while increasing police powers towards a more totalitarian police state .. complete with the surveillance state.

Red and Blue use regulation to destroy free and fair markets (getting rid of competition for the Oligopolies and keeping the little guy out) while allowing - not enforcing laws against - price fixing and anti competitive practices. This and tax law is used to reduce the worker into a position of indentured slavery.

None of this would change under Trump IMO. We would however, be saved from having to listen to Horrible (nails on the chalkboard) Hillary for 4 years.
 
It might not be conducive to some people's agenda to realize that the Pakistani justice system has not hanged anyone at all yet for blasphemy. Not in all its history.

The fact that they are now willing to go down that road is perhaps indicative that they are becoming more dedicated to Sharia, which is very bad news for all non-Muslim Pakistanis. Is this not a feature of imposed dhimmitude?

There have, and that is the very bad part, lynchings. There have been even those in prisons and, what is worse, by prison guards.

But as death sentences officially carried out go, this would be the first one.

Asia Bibis (umpteenth) appeal failed on Thursday, not because it was rejected but because the court found itself unable to rule. Due to one of the three judges feeling the necessity to excuse himself on grounds of being compromised by his role in the Salman Taseer case.

Until the necessary final ruling can be made there will be no execution.

Fat load of comfort that'll be to the poor woman, seeing how the mobs are threatening to kill anyone even remotely considering overturning the sentence or (if no other avenues present themselves) even a pardon.

Yes. The mobs are in favour of her death. These are the people that many on this forum claim are part of the 99.999% who are living in peace and have no wish to harm us. A mistake that is made is to equate the absence of hostilities with peace and peaceful intentions. The countries surrounding Israel are not actively at war with it, but we all know how much they hate it, and the Jews who live in it. Islam was created by Mohamed to be the enemy of all things and people non-Islamic, and we are seeing a rededication to that principle that we will be dealing with for the rest of our lives.
 
Give us a frickin' break here.Christians put an end to witchcraft by burning witches at the stake.

If every Christian in the USA had fought against anti-smoking laws they might not have passed.

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"In truth there was only one Christian and he died on the cross." ~ Friedrich Nietzsche

Nero Persecutes

The Christians, 64 A.D.

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A generation after the death of Christ, Christianity had reached Rome in the form of an obscure offshoot of Judaism popular among the city's poor and destitute. Members of this religious sect spoke of the coming of a new kingdom and a new king. These views provoked suspicion among the Jewish authorities who rejected the group and fear among the Roman authorities who perceived these sentiments as a threat to the Empire.


In the summer of 64, Rome suffered a terrible fire that burned for six days and seven nights consuming almost three quarters of the city. The people accused the Emperor Nero for the devastation claiming he set the fire for his own amusement. In order to deflect these accusations and placate the people, Nero laid blame for the fire on the Christians. The emperor ordered the arrest of a few members of the sect who, under torture, accused others until the entire Christian populace was implicated and became fair game for retribution. As many of the religious sect that could be found were rounded up and put to death in the most horrific manner for the amusement of the citizens of Rome. The ghastly way in which the victims were put to death aroused sympathy among many Romans, although most felt their execution justified.

Beginnings of Christian Martyrdom

The following account was written by the Roman historian Tacitus in his book Annals published a few years after the event. Tacitus was a young boy living in Rome during the time of the persecutions.

"Therefore, to stop the rumor [that he had set Rome on fire], he [Emperor Nero] falsely charged with guilt, and punished with the most fearful tortures, the persons commonly called Christians, who were [generally] hated for their enormities. Christus, the founder of that name, was put to death as a criminal by Pontius Pilate, procurator of Judea, in the reign of Tiberius, but the pernicious superstition - repressed for a time, broke out yet again, not only through Judea, - where the mischief originated, but through the city of Rome also, whither all things horrible and disgraceful flow from all quarters, as to a common receptacle, and where they are encouraged. Accordingly first those were arrested who confessed they were Christians; next on their information, a vast multitude were convicted, not so much on the charge of burning the city, as of "hating the human race."

In their very deaths they were made the subjects of sport: for they were covered with the hides of wild beasts, and worried to death by dogs, or nailed to crosses, or set fire to, and when the day waned, burned to serve for the evening lights. Nero offered his own garden players for the spectacle, and exhibited a Circensian game, indiscriminately mingling with the common people in the dress of a charioteer, or else standing in his chariot. For this cause a feeling of compassion arose towards the sufferers, though guilty and deserving of exemplary capital punishment, because they seemed not to be cut off for the public good, but were victims of the ferocity of one man."

References:
Carrington, Phillip, The Early Christian Church (1957); Davis, William Stearns, Readings In Ancient History (1913); Duruy, Victor, History of Rome and the Roman People, vol V (1883).
 
The fact that they are now willing to go down that road is perhaps indicative that they are becoming more dedicated to Sharia, which is very bad news for all non-Muslim Pakistanis. Is this not a feature of imposed dhimmitude?
Pakistan is clearly yet another Muslim country that you know little to nothing about.

What we are looking at here is a failed state. As in the government not only being too weak to have effective control, but also being divided upon itself into conflicting factions. All of which have disparate ideas on how to combat the overall threat of extremism that has been arising out of the Saudi financed madrassas ever since the Soviets went into Absurdistan (with Pakistan's ISI subsequently playing midwife to the Taliban to the general cheer and support by the West). Those ideas ranging from appeasement of the religious radicals to combating them with force.

If you think imposition of dhimmitude and the lording of Sharia over everyone is the primary issue there, you clearly have no idea of the precarious tightrope act that any government (legislative, executive and judiciary body) has had to walk ever since the state was founded. Life is cheap in Pakistan, has been becoming increasingly cheaper and it ain't just Christian lives.


Yes. The mobs are in favour of her death. These are the people that many on this forum claim are part of the 99.999% who are living in peace and have no wish to harm us.
Apart from that being a completely BS statement, it is also disgustingly dishonest. There is nobody on this forum calling these particular mobs harmless.
A mistake that is made is to equate the absence of hostilities with peace and peaceful intentions.
Nonsense.
The countries surrounding Israel are not actively at war with it, but we all know how much they hate it, and the Jews who live in it. Islam was created by Mohamed to be the enemy of all things and people non-Islamic, and we are seeing a rededication to that principle that we will be dealing with for the rest of our lives.
You clearly have no knowledge of the complexities of the Palestinian conflict either, but this is also not the place to resonate upon it.
 
Pakistan is clearly yet another Muslim country that you know little to nothing about.

What we are looking at here is a failed state. As in the government not only being too weak to have effective control, but also being divided upon itself into conflicting factions. All of which have disparate ideas on how to combat the overall threat of extremism that has been arising out of the Saudi financed madrassas ever since the Soviets went into Absurdistan (with Pakistan's ISI subsequently playing midwife to the Taliban to the general cheer and support by the West). Those ideas ranging from appeasement of the religious radicals to combating them with force.

If you think imposition of dhimmitude and the lording of Sharia over everyone is the primary issue there, you clearly have no idea of the precarious tightrope act that any government (legislative, executive and judiciary body) has had to walk ever since the state was founded. Life is cheap in Pakistan, has been becoming increasingly cheaper and it ain't just Christian lives.


Apart from that being a completely BS statement, it is also disgustingly dishonest. There is nobody on this forum calling these particular mobs harmless. Nonsense. You clearly have no knowledge of the complexities of the Palestinian conflict either, but this is also not the place to resonate upon it.

Well, that was one of your longest "IS NOT!"s yet.
 
I assume Western feminists and progressives are demonstrating against this, but I haven't seen any stories yet. Does anyone have a link to where the demonstrations are happening? I'm on vacation in London at the moment, and I would think a picket in front of the Pakistan embassy would be a great place to start.

Why not ask the locals there? If not you could always organise your own and encourage support. Just a thought of course.

We had one here a week ago at Parliament House and shortly after a signed petition was presented to the Pakistani Consulate.


How did your demonstrations go?
 
How did your demonstrations go?

I've written my member of parliament asking what the Canadian government's position is, and I also wrote to my local Muslim council asking the same question. I'll keep you informed.

Perhaps an organization called Infidel Lives Matter would help.
 
Meanwhile, according to Asia Bibi, Christian Woman On Death Row For Blasphemy, Has Final Appeal Postponed | Christian News on Christian Today

Pakistan's repressive blasphemy laws prescribe life imprisonment for the desecration of the Qur'an and the death sentence for "defiling" the Prophet Mohammad, and accusations of incidents have often prompted mob violence. According to the Centre for Research and Security Studies in Pakistan, more than 62 people have been killed in such incidents since 1990. More than 40 people are currently on death row for blasphemy, the majority of whom are members of religious minorities.

Again, this is the government of an Islamic country, not a bunch of ignorant peasants. They are doing this with the approval of their Muslim constituents. All those who say the vast majority of Muslims just want to live in peace and harmony with the rest of us desperately need to give their heads a shake. That some of you will continue to deny and find excuses is the wonder of the age.
 
Sharia means "path to water" so we will review the Clinton pathology that attempted to make Great Lakes water a commodity via NAFTA.
 
Pakistan would've had a chance at becoming a thriving secular democracy if the west and Russia hadn't interfered and played geopolitics with the region.

It always comes back to us.

At this point, anytime I see sub-human extremists running a country I assume that it's somehow related to something we've done. :shrug:

Hey hey hey! It wasn't just us. You can't leave out the European powers.


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Meanwhile, according to Asia Bibi, Christian Woman On Death Row For Blasphemy, Has Final Appeal Postponed | Christian News on Christian Today

Pakistan's repressive blasphemy laws prescribe life imprisonment for the desecration of the Qur'an and the death sentence for "defiling" the Prophet Mohammad, and accusations of incidents have often prompted mob violence. According to the Centre for Research and Security Studies in Pakistan, more than 62 people have been killed in such incidents since 1990. More than 40 people are currently on death row for blasphemy, the majority of whom are members of religious minorities.

Again, this is the government of an Islamic country, not a bunch of ignorant peasants. They are doing this with the approval of their Muslim constituents. All those who say the vast majority of Muslims just want to live in peace and harmony with the rest of us desperately need to give their heads a shake. That some of you will continue to deny and find excuses is the wonder of the age.

From your link:

Christian Today had previously been told by Christian Solidarity Worldwide's (CSW) South Asia team leader that "if there is any hope of Asia getting justice, it's through the Supreme Court".

The postponement of her appeal will therefore come as a disappointment to campaigners, who have urged Pakistan to release her free of charge.

The CSW source did say on Monday, however, that judges in blasphemy cases are often threatened by Muslim hardliners, which could affect the outcome of her appeal.


Imprisoned for seven years for an argument with fellow farm workers and despite her consistent denial of the claim, and not much hope now that this will end well for her, not if Pakistan's chief judges can be intimidated and killed.
 
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From your link:

Christian Today had previously been told by Christian Solidarity Worldwide's (CSW) South Asia team leader that "if there is any hope of Asia getting justice, it's through the Supreme Court".

The postponement of her appeal will therefore come as a disappointment to campaigners, who have urged Pakistan to release her free of charge.

The CSW source did say on Monday, however, that judges in blasphemy cases are often threatened by Muslim hardliners, which could affect the outcome of her appeal.


Imprisoned for seven years for an argument with fellow farm workers and despite her consistent denial of the claim, and not much hope now that this will end well for her, not if Pakistan's chief judges can be intimidated and killed.

Yes, the judge is probably afraid that the peaceful vast majority will lynch him if this woman is freed. Just to prove that I can be as pie-in-the-sky as the next person, I wonder what a universal call for clemency from every first lady in the Western world would do to help. I'll bet that would be hard to ignore.
 
Yes, the judge is probably afraid that the peaceful vast majority will lynch him if this woman is freed. Just to prove that I can be as pie-in-the-sky as the next person, I wonder what a universal call for clemency from every first lady in the Western world would do to help. I'll bet that would be hard to ignore.

I'd love to see this, beginning with Queen Rania of Jordan, whom I admire.
 
After 7 years on death row in Pakistan, I would welcome the noose.
 
Why do these people believe that GOD cannot punish this woman Himself? If her sin is against "God" let "God" deal with it. You should all read the Bible story of Gideon and his damage to his dad's family idol. Gideon's father basically said, "Let the Idol punish Gideon."
 
The beat goes on. Asia Bibi is one more step closer to the gallows. Her last resort is now the Supreme Court.

From the CNN story (because some of you would have an aneurysm if I used the Fox News quote):

Qari Saleem, one of the clerics pursuing the case, told CNN via phone that Bibi deserved the punishment. "I am very happy at the decision of the court, and justice has been done," Saleem said, adding that sweets had been distributed in court after the ruling "out of joy and happiness."

So, where is this mythical "peaceful vast majority" we keep hearing about? Where are the throngs of Pakistani Muslims demanding this woman be set free? Where are the world-wide demonstrations by peace loving Muslims?

Members of DP's don't-blame-Islam club are going to find it increasingly difficult to maintain their position as the years go by with more and more examples like this eating into their logic.
 
Don't leave out America's ally Saudi Arabia that does the same thing.
 
I just sent the following to Pam Goldsmith-Jones, who is Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Foreign Affairs:

Ms. Goldsmith-Jones,

I have been in contact with Pat Kelly's office regarding the case of Asia Bibi, a Pakistani Christian woman who has been on death row for 6 years, and is down to a final Supreme Court appeal of her sentence to be hanged for blasphemy against Mohamed. Here is a link to the most recent story I could find on the subject:

Asia Bibi's Supreme Court Judge Suddenly Quits Over Apparent Fear of Pakistani Mob Attack

Mr. Kelly's office provided me with the following statement you made in the House of Commons:

Mr. Speaker, I would like to take this opportunity to discuss the office of human rights, freedoms and inclusion. We have a comprehensive mandate that includes all human rights, including, as I know it is so important to the member opposite, freedom of religion. Moreover, we have all 135 ambassadors championing this comprehensive vision. It is entrenched in their mandate. It is central to their work.
This allows Canada to be a more effective defender of universal human rights, which are universal, indivisible, and interdependent, and is properly reflected in the office of human rights, freedoms and inclusion.

To say that I am disappointed with the Western world's silence on this matter would be gross understatement. Given the mandate stated above, I assume our ambassador to Pakistan has been fighting for Ms. Bibi's exoneration and release. Could you please publicly update Canadians on the exact measures our ambassador has taken to express our horror and revulsion over not only the treatment of this one individual, but that such extremist religious law is even applied in the first place?

Shame on us if we let her die without so much as an official statement of condemnation from our government. Pakistan needs to be publicly shamed, and it needs to happen now.
 
Update time.

On my behalf my member of parliament has contacted the office of Stephane Dion, Minister of Foreign Affairs, to ask for an update on Canada's position regarding the case of Asia Bibi specifically, and Pakistan's blasphemy laws in general. I'm expecting a tap dance, but I have to try.

Btw, I'm not happy with the Harper administration's apparent lack of concern as well. When world leaders speak out against human rights violations, they always seem to skirt cases of abuse by Islamic governments and the increasingly perilous situation of non-Muslims in Muslim countries.
 
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