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Can the end times described in the bible happen?

zyzygy said:
Nobody knows because it's never going to happen. The bible is fiction.
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[regarding Stephen Douglas]: He says I have a proneness for quoting scripture. If I should do so now, it occurs that perhaps he places himself somewhat upon the ground of the parable of the lost sheep which went astray upon the mountains, and when the owner of the hundred sheep found the one that was lost, and threw it upon his shoulders, and came home rejoicing, it was said that there was more rejoicing over the one sheep that was lost and had been found, than over the ninety and nine in the fold. [Great cheering, renewed cheering.] The application is made by the Saviour in this parable, thus, "Verily I say unto you, there is more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, than over ninety and nine just persons that need no repentence. [Cheering.] And now, if the Judge claims the benefit of his parable, let him repent. [Vociferous applause.] Let him not come up here and say: I am the only just person; and you are the ninety-nine sinners! Repentence, before forgiveness is a provision of the Christian system, and on that condition alone will the Republicans grant his forgiveness. [Laughter and cheers.] --- Abraham Lincoln
Speech at Springfield, Illinois, on July 17, 1858
 
CMPancake said:
Prove what, exactly? The mountains of evidence of biological change over time? Or the mountains of geographic evidence that contradicts almost every element of the biblical explanation of the Earth's origin?
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The Ultimate Proof of Creation

by Dr. Jason Lisle on July 20, 2009
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A debate over biblical creation is a lot like a debate over the existence of air. Can you imagine two people debating whether or not air exists?

The Ultimate Proof of Creation
The Ultimate Proof of Creation by astrophysicist and apologist Dr. Jason Lisle is a completely new, 21st-century guide to defending the Christian faith, emphasizing the Genesis account of creation.
A debate over biblical creation is a lot like a debate over the existence of air. Can you imagine two people debating whether or not air exists? What would the critic of air say?

Whatever his arguments, he would have to use air in order to make them. Not only is air crucial to the survival of the critic, but air would have to exist in order for his arguments to be heard and understood . . . . In order for the critic of air to be able to make an argument, it would have to be wrong.

Likewise, the evolutionist must use biblical creation principles in order to argue against biblical creation. In order for his argument to make sense, it would have to be wrong. Ironically, the fact that evolutionists are able to argue against creation proves that creation is true!
The three paragraphs above are an excerpt from my latest book, The Ultimate Proof of Creation (with foreword by Ken Ham, Answers in Genesis president). With the arguments presented in this new book, I demonstrate that biblical creation absolutely must be true because it is a prerequisite for knowledge and science. That is, if creation were not true, science (or knowledge about anything whatsoever) would be impossible. For example:

Orderly, mathematical laws of nature that describe the consistent clockwork operation of the universe are exactly what we would expect given that Christ upholds all things by the Word of His power (Hebrews 1:3). If the universe were really the chance product of a big bang, then why would it obey laws?
The fact that the human mind is capable of rational thought and that our senses can reliably probe the universe makes sense given that God created the human mind and sensory organs (Genesis 1:27; Proverbs 20:12).
An absolute, universal moral code by which we have knowledge of right and wrong only makes sense if there is a sovereign God who has created rules for us, and to whom we are accountable.
A lot of creationists are under the mistaken impression that evolutionists would believe in creation if they simply had more “evidence.” But the Bible tells us that people already have enough evidence of the God of creation. Romans 1:19–20 makes this clear: “because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them . . . so that they are without excuse.”

THE UNBELIEVER ALREADY “KNOWS” GOD, BUT HAS SUPPRESSED WHAT HE KNOWS TO BE TRUE.
The key to defending the Christian faith—and sharing it with others—is to realize that the unbeliever already “knows” God, but has suppressed what he knows to be true. He denies with his lips what he knows in his heart. We can expose this suppressed knowledge of God by pointing out that the unbeliever unwittingly relies on creation principles when he attempts to reason or uses science or makes moral judgments.

Like the “critic of air,” the unbeliever relies on the God of creation to argue against the God of creation. While we cannot cover everything in a short article like this (such as how to counter possible criticisms of the above argument), The Ultimate Proof of Creation gives readers an absolutely irrefutable argument for the Christian worldview.

Note from AiG President Ken Ham:
I believe this is one of the most important creationist books available today to teach people how to think biblically and how to argue logically in the defense of the Christian faith.

If only churches and families had taught this material to their congregations and children, there would have been much less compromise in the church. People would have been less likely to have been led astray by compromise and would have readily recognized the illogical arguments of believing in an old earth and other supposed “evidences”—ideas that have caused so many to question the authority of Scripture, leading many of them to leave the church.
 
LittleNipper said:
The Ultimate Proof of Creation

by Dr. Jason Lisle on July 20, 2009
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A debate over biblical creation is a lot like a debate over the existence of air. Can you imagine two people debating whether or not air exists?

The Ultimate Proof of Creation
The Ultimate Proof of Creation by astrophysicist and apologist Dr. Jason Lisle is a completely new, 21st-century guide to defending the Christian faith, emphasizing the Genesis account of creation.
A debate over biblical creation is a lot like a debate over the existence of air. Can you imagine two people debating whether or not air exists? What would the critic of air say?

Whatever his arguments, he would have to use air in order to make them. Not only is air crucial to the survival of the critic, but air would have to exist in order for his arguments to be heard and understood . . . . In order for the critic of air to be able to make an argument, it would have to be wrong.

Likewise, the evolutionist must use biblical creation principles in order to argue against biblical creation. In order for his argument to make sense, it would have to be wrong. Ironically, the fact that evolutionists are able to argue against creation proves that creation is true!
The three paragraphs above are an excerpt from my latest book, The Ultimate Proof of Creation (with foreword by Ken Ham, Answers in Genesis president). With the arguments presented in this new book, I demonstrate that biblical creation absolutely must be true because it is a prerequisite for knowledge and science. That is, if creation were not true, science (or knowledge about anything whatsoever) would be impossible. For example:

Orderly, mathematical laws of nature that describe the consistent clockwork operation of the universe are exactly what we would expect given that Christ upholds all things by the Word of His power (Hebrews 1:3). If the universe were really the chance product of a big bang, then why would it obey laws?
The fact that the human mind is capable of rational thought and that our senses can reliably probe the universe makes sense given that God created the human mind and sensory organs (Genesis 1:27; Proverbs 20:12).
An absolute, universal moral code by which we have knowledge of right and wrong only makes sense if there is a sovereign God who has created rules for us, and to whom we are accountable.
A lot of creationists are under the mistaken impression that evolutionists would believe in creation if they simply had more “evidence.” But the Bible tells us that people already have enough evidence of the God of creation. Romans 1:19–20 makes this clear: “because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them . . . so that they are without excuse.”

THE UNBELIEVER ALREADY “KNOWS” GOD, BUT HAS SUPPRESSED WHAT HE KNOWS TO BE TRUE.
The key to defending the Christian faith—and sharing it with others—is to realize that the unbeliever already “knows” God, but has suppressed what he knows to be true. He denies with his lips what he knows in his heart. We can expose this suppressed knowledge of God by pointing out that the unbeliever unwittingly relies on creation principles when he attempts to reason or uses science or makes moral judgments.

Like the “critic of air,” the unbeliever relies on the God of creation to argue against the God of creation. While we cannot cover everything in a short article like this (such as how to counter possible criticisms of the above argument), The Ultimate Proof of Creation gives readers an absolutely irrefutable argument for the Christian worldview.

Note from AiG President Ken Ham:
I believe this is one of the most important creationist books available today to teach people how to think biblically and how to argue logically in the defense of the Christian faith.

If only churches and families had taught this material to their congregations and children, there would have been much less compromise in the church. People would have been less likely to have been led astray by compromise and would have readily recognized the illogical arguments of believing in an old earth and other supposed “evidences”—ideas that have caused so many to question the authority of Scripture, leading many of them to leave the church.
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Wow, just wow. So much ignorance.
 
Visbek said:
No.

By the way, pretty much everyone who has predicted the Christian end of the world so far? They've been wrong.

Next question?
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Well since the bible gives not specific time frame for the end of the world it makes the people wrong not the bible.

There is a Valley near Israel called the valley of Megiddo.
Napoleon looked on the valley itself and said "All the armies on earth could maneuver in the plain".

The place is known for climatic and epic battles.
 
LittleNipper said:
Prove it.
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Asking to prove a negative is silly and fallacious (especially when you are the one making the naked claim). Prove that other creation stories which contradict the Bible narrative are not true. Obviously you can not.

If you think the Bible is true the onus of proof is on you to prove your claim.

Fortunately for "Creation Deniers". The Bible makes a number of specific claims that are demonstrably false. The Flood story is one such example.

We know for a fact that there was no Global flood roughly 2100-2400 BC that killed all land creatures (san Noah and family)

This would have created a global flood layer (which does not exist). This would have melted and floated the ice caps (which are still frozen an date back hundreds of thousands of years).

We have continuous civilization all over the world at that time period ... speaking the same language, having the same culture art/pottery, skeletal features (DNA) and so on. All these civilizations do not suddenly stop due to a massive flood. The continue unabated through this period.

The idea that Noah and son's could have managed to obtain 2 of every species (2 Polar bears from the Arctic) (Kangaroo's from Australia) (Spectacled bears from South Africa) is patently absurd. Such trips would take years. By the time they collected species 15 ... species 1 is dying of old age. Who I taking care of this massive zoo given the men are away full time. Where does the money come from to feed all these animals.

and of course the 1 million dollar question ... how did Noah fit all of these species on a tiny boat and feed them for many months.

This is absurd nonsense. The Story is "Allegory" a tale meant to teach a moral lesson.

Then you have the fact that Genesis was copied from Sumerian and Near East Lore.
 
The end of times usually starts with religious people harping on God and all the other stuff they try to ram down the throats of anyone within listening distance.
 
LittleNipper said:
The Biblical Creation story is entirely correct. The theory of evolution is not correct.
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Science deals with facts and evidence, that is what you need to know. The creation story makes for good reading but there is no truth to it because there is no evidence.
 
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